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loquaciousJenny

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,457
User Banned (1 Day): Trolling
The big bully media sees me and Daddy Bernie and calls me a hussy.

Sure he pays for my college and buys me cute clothes but I worked hard for this and I don't be judged by these rude skanks on reads notes Reesaytera dot com

Daddy Bernie is gonna be the best daddy this country ever had and anybody in Europe or Canada would support my daddy.

Something wrong with the water in America
 
Nov 14, 2017
2,332
Andrew Marr is a total hack who absolutely knows better. He was briefly a member of a Trotskyist group when he was at Uni, so I know he got at least some basic socialist education. There is no doubt in my mind that he knows he was misrepresenting Chomsky, he just doesn't have a problem with doing that kind of work.
Interesting, didn't know that about Marr. It's certainly possible, but without wanting to slight university Trotskyists I think him passing through their ranks without ever getting primers on certain strands of theory is possible too. Regardless of his ability to distinguish self-censorship from systemic hegemony though I'd have to agree his retreat to the "conspiracy" labelling was definitely a hack move.
 

fauxtrot

Member
Oct 25, 2017
454
The big bully media sees me and Daddy Bernie and calls me a hussy.

Sure he pays for my college and buys me cute clothes but I worked hard for this and I don't be judged by these rude skanks on reads notes Reesaytera dot com

Daddy Bernie is gonna be the best daddy this country ever had and anybody in Europe or Canada would support my daddy.

Something wrong with the water in America

I'm going to ignore the extremely weird angle you went with here and just point out that "the left just wants free stuff that they don't deserve" is a right-wing talking point.
 

Typhonsentra

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,948
Anemic support for Warren among non-whites shows it all.
Bernie supporters love saying this, but most polling does not reflect this:


A lot of polling we get does not break things down in this manner, but generally they poll evenly among black voters, sometimes with Warren having a slight advantage, and Bernie a slight advantage among Hispanic/Latino voters and a large advantage with Asian Americans. The idea that his support is driven by a diverse coalition is hugely exaggerated if not outright untrue. The poll in the OP is from about a week and a half before Biden officially announced his candidacy, which was the last time Bernie posted numbers like that among non-white voters who almost immediately shifted over to Biden and have remained there since.
 

Jeffolation

Member
Oct 30, 2017
7,117
Bernie Sanders came to my attention years before the 2016 election because msnbc would have him come on, a lot. Then after the election they went really hard in the paint getting the never trumper neo-cons on constantly like Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, Rick Wilson and their ilk. It's aggravating.
 

fauxtrot

Member
Oct 25, 2017
454
Sometimes we sacrifice for our art

Do you often stoop to using sexist & racist stereotypes? Using a phrase Cardi B popularized (Daddy Bernie) to make your point that people like her that support him are uneducated, slutty, and are only doing it for "free stuff" is a pretty disgusting thing to do just because you don't like said candidate.

You're essentially using an updated version of the racist & sexist "welfare queen" trope and I'd hope people who consider themselves progressive are above that.
 

loquaciousJenny

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,457
Do you often stoop to using sexist & racist stereotypes? Using a phrase Cardi B popularized (Daddy Bernie) to make your point that people like her that support him are uneducated, slutty, and are only doing it for "free stuff" is a pretty disgusting thing to do just because you don't like said candidate.

You're essentially using an updated version of the racist & sexist "welfare queen" trope and I'd hope people who consider themselves progressive are above that.
Lmao okay, I don't know a single thing about Cardi B so you can step off.

I'm referencing this gross bullshit https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1112740540372652033?s=20
Along with the sad oppressed air that comes out of all these thread where a group of folks who are in the majority on this site act like children because some folk from Poliera with more citations than them call them out sometimes.
 

fauxtrot

Member
Oct 25, 2017
454
Lmao okay, I don't know a single thing about Cardi B so you can step off.

I'm referencing this gross bullshit https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1112740540372652033?s=20
Along with the sad oppressed air that comes out of all these thread where a group of folks who are in the majority on this site act like children because some folk from Poliera with more citations than them call them out sometimes.

The "gross bullshit" you've linked to is referencing Cardi B, and the origin of that phrase is in the tweet immediately below it, you just had to scroll down a tiny bit.
 

Xaszatm

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,903
So...now that we got a Bernie hater (since I cannot say Centrist without people attacking) to publicly admit she was trolling this thread for the sake of trolling, can we finally admit there's an anti-Bernie bias on this site or will we have to do this same song and dance every time we want to raise any point whatsoever?
 

Beer Monkey

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,308
So...now that we got a Bernie hater (since I cannot say Centrist without people attacking) to publicly admit she was trolling this thread for the sake of trolling, can we finally admit there's an anti-Bernie bias on this site or will we have to do this same song and dance every time we want to raise any point whatsoever?
Reality has an anti Bernie bias right now. Almost everyone I know over 30 who voted for him in the Ohio primary in 2016 isn't voting for him in the next one.
 

Xaszatm

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,903
Reality has an anti Bernie bias right now. Almost everyone I know over 30 who voted for him in the Ohio primary in 2016 isn't voting for him in the next one.

Did I say "reality" (which lol btw he's third/second not dead last)? I'm talking about this site, and poster's sick love of derailing any and all threads that mention his name with trolling, accusations, mocker, derision, and outright mudslinging.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,410
Phoenix
Did I say "reality" (which lol btw he's third/second not dead last)? I'm talking about this site, and poster's sick love of derailing any and all threads that mention his name with trolling, accusations, mocker, derision, and outright mudslinging.
There absolutely is, but, it is the primaries, you get the same exact thing when somebody makes a Beto thread or a Kamala thread from certain Bernie supporters. When I was favoring Beto particularly, I remember I would stop reading his threads because they really got shit up fast.

I take issue with unwarranted vitriol on all sides though and this thread is full of it. I mean come on people, Bernie isn't Tulsi, neither is Beto etc.
 

Damisa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
324
Did I say "reality" (which lol btw he's third/second not dead last)? I'm talking about this site, and poster's sick love of derailing any and all threads that mention his name with trolling, accusations, mocker, derision, and outright mudslinging.

Individual people have a right to express their dislike of Bernie, this includes mockery. Feel free to go to a Bernie fan site if you can't handle it
 

Xaszatm

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,903
Individual people have a right to express their dislike of Bernie, this includes mockery. Feel free to go to a Bernie fan site if you can't handle it

I love how you pick the least offensive thing in that list then pretend "oh you have a thin skin". So you think that poster shouldn't be banned for trolling a thread with no interest in actually discussing the OP?
 

Beer Monkey

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,308
Did I say "reality" (which lol btw he's third/second not dead last)? I'm talking about this site, and poster's sick love of derailing any and all threads that mention his name with trolling, accusations, mocker, derision, and outright mudslinging.

Every major online community has various trolls. It's a problem everywhere. Era isn't specifically anti Bernie nor accepting of anti Bernie trolls more than other trolls.
 

Lentic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,836
One of the things I've noticed regarding Bernie is the selective reporting. When there's anything positive to say, they gloss over it, but when there's a controversy they're immediately on it. It gives people reading/watching the impression that he's irrelevant and it goes unnoticed that he's in second place.

The frustrating thing about it is that it seems that a lot of people actually want his policies. The only thing that seems to be stopping the average person is doubt that we could actually achieve these things. I can't help but feel that it's the result of the media distorting and manipulating the power that people are capable of.
 

lenovox1

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,995
One of the things I've noticed regarding Bernie is the selective reporting. When there's anything positive to say, they gloss over it, but when there's a controversy they're immediately on it. It gives people reading/watching the impression that he's irrelevant and it goes unnoticed that he's in second place.

Media Literacy 101: "Bad" news gets spread more quickly and shared more often than "good" news.

Also, the American media loves a horse race narrative.

Those things do not only apply to Sanders.
 

Powdered Egg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
17,070
Are we really going to get another year of the world against Bernie narrative when he comes in like 4th place? It's weird that someone like Warren who has proposed splitting up megacorps hasnt also received this seemingly biased reporting as well.
Warren didn't run in '16. If it were Warren v Hillary '16, Elizabeth Warren would be the evil witch of the west right now.
 

Lentic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,836
Media Literacy 101: "Bad" news gets spread more quickly and shared more often than "good" news.

Also, the American media loves a horse race narrative.

Those things do not only apply to Sanders.
They don't, but it would be ignorant to say that these companies will not do what's in their power to hire people who will support their own views and pull headlines that they like.

Also, I remember people talking a lot about how Hillary had been smeared by Republicans for ages. Is it not possible that the same thing could be done to Bernie? I'm not saying Bernie doesn't have faults or criticisms, but the amount of vitriol I've seen slung at him seems unjustified considering he's arguing and fighting for things that will benefit the average person.

Bernie is not in the best interest for these corporations, so it makes sense that they would be against him. The problem is how much people are influenced by media. I've seen people who despise Sanders, but they can't tell you why. Social influence can be such a powerful thing. I remember how bad things were on the old forum when it came to this and it's gotten a lot better fortunately.
 

Beer Monkey

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,308
Warren didn't run in '16. If it were Warren v Hillary '16, Elizabeth Warren would be the evil witch of the west right now.

Honestly, if Warren were in the Bernie role in 2016 the Russian social media targeting would have pumped her up big-time, with the goal of having Democratic Party voters split between her and Hillary as much as possible by the convention and beyond.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,708
New Orleans
The big bully media sees me and Daddy Bernie and calls me a hussy.

Sure he pays for my college and buys me cute clothes but I worked hard for this and I don't be judged by these rude skanks on reads notes Reesaytera dot com

Daddy Bernie is gonna be the best daddy this country ever had and anybody in Europe or Canada would support my daddy.

Something wrong with the water in America
Why on earth would anyone think a post like this is a good idea?

Honestly, if Warren were in the Bernie role in 2016 the Russian social media targeting would have pumped her up big-time, with the goal of having Democratic Party voters split between her and Hillary as much as possible by the convention and beyond.
I don't doubt that they did that with Bernie as well. The thing is that there are certain Hillary supporters that seem to have attached her 2016 loss to Bernie's campaign, and that poster is suggesting that had Warren been in that position, she'd have the same stigma.
 

Beer Monkey

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,308
Here's a really crazy idea but could it possibly be that most people's reactions to Bernie are based on his own actions?
 

BADMAN

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,887
Here's a really crazy idea but could it possibly be that most people's reactions to Bernie are based on his own actions?
That would assume that people aren't being influenced by social and old media's spin and takes on the things that Bernie does. I don't think anyone is entirely immune to that so your assertion doesn't really mean anything.
 

Zombegoast

Member
Oct 30, 2017
14,239
It's not just MSNBC but CNN as well. Like in the CNN town hall when he was ask if terrorist like the Boston Marathon Bomber should vote.

It's one person(Who has a death sentence) versus millions who served their sentence, paying their taxes but doesn't have the right to vote.

And here's more from CNN. Attacking M4A
 

Deleted member 7130

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,685
Here's a really crazy idea but could it possibly be that most people's reactions to Bernie are based on his own actions?
In what regard? If you're a wealthy predatory management type, you likely won't like Bernie. At least there's logical reason there, but the woman on MSNBC who said he makes her skin crawl literally prefaced it by admitting she didn't really have a basis for that or why she thought Bernie "seems not pro-woman." Furthermore that she would judge other women who support Bernie despite the lack of substance for her take on him. That's just an incredibly ignorant and reckless way to malign both him and supporters who really have stakes in M4A, student loan forgiveness, etc...
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,510
Lmao at the fucking fools trying to make those who have legitimate concerns on the coverage of Bernie Sanders out to be crazy conspiracy theorists.
You fucking bums are transparent.

Hot take: Bernie haters are all reactionaries with zero self awareness
For the most part in my experience, this is literally accurate.
 
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Nocturnal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,321
Lmao at the fucking fools trying to make those who have legitimate concerns on the coverage of Bernie Sanders out to be crazy conspiracy theorists.
You fucking bums are transparent.

Yep, and they ignore that this was a tendency in 2015 to completely ignore him & focus on the GOP Circus, I posted it in the thread and was completely ignored. People like to bring up Russia, Emails, WikiLeaks, BernieBusters - yet ignore the elephant in the room that is the media giving Trump & the Circus all the coverage in the 2015 news about the primaries while completely ignoring the DemPrimary.


Between January and November, according to his data, Trump's campaign was covered for 234 minutes on the three newscasts.

Sanders getting 10 minutes of coverage on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening news.

source

On September 22, Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University and Washington Post contributor, discussed whether or not the media has played a role in Trump's high poll numbers. He wrote, "No doubt, the attention paid to Trump has been an easy way for him to get his message across. But also no doubt, Trump's ascent in the polls makes him a very newsworthy story."[36] In order to understand whether the media contributed to Trump's success, Drezner suggested comparing Trump's media coverage to Bernie Sanders' coverage because, according to Drezner, they "occupy similar positions in each party's race." He wrote that because Sanders is not generating as much media coverage as Trump, the media may be complicit in "creating [the] Trump phenomenon." However, he then wrote that the public is more interested in Trump, according to Google Trends, which supports the idea that the American public is interested in Trump and wants to read about him.

source


April 2015 Hillary Campaign Memo:
Operationalizing the Strategy Pied Piper Candidates

There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don't want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more "Pied Piper" candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren't limited to:

• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.
source

A study by the Harvard Kennedy School Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy found that during the year 2015, major news outlets covered Trump "in a way that was unusual given his low initial polling numbers -- a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump's rise in the polls."

In fairness, some were worried that the strategy would backfire. "Right now I am petrified that Hillary is almost totally dependent on Republicans nominating Trump," Brent Budowsky emailed John Podesta. Most, however, liked the plan. Another agenda item involved how to prevent candidate Jeb Bush "from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?" Neera Tanden emailed Podesta: "Bush sucked. I'm glad Hillary is obsessed with the one candidate who would be easiest to beat. ... Besides Trump, of course." Of course!
source





but sure it's all a "conspiracy", back in 2015 and now
 
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Hucast

alt account
Banned
Mar 25, 2019
3,598
Pretty nasty. And also the reason why bernie sanders has so much credibility for me.
 

1.21Gigawatts

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,278
Munich
That's cute, you're actually taking those polls at face value. If you honestly believe support wouldn't drop dramatically when people find out that many of those policies require higher taxation (especially among white people after they realize that those policies benefit minorities), you don't know what you're talking about.
Just because your incompetent media spread irrational fear about taxes for decades, just because they acted fo decades like Republicans were fiscally conservative, even though its always been the democrats who brought down the deficit while it was Republicans who drove it up, doesn't mean that people wouldn't quickly change their minds about social systems once they see them working.

It's all about optics and framing. Americans do no hold any rational convictions here that would prevent a welfare state of European proportions.
Decades of propaganda that was forced down American throats will be undone in no time once people realize that this is good for them and everyone around them.

And don't believe for a second that corporations would leave the country if you increase their taxes.
Besides that, Europe and many other players would be up for strict international tax codes and laws and mechanism preventing tax evasion.
Corporation know that, which is why the spend billions upon billions bribing politicians and spreading propaganda through the media in order to prevent sensible legislation and international corporation.
This shit has nothing to do with voters.

I don't disagree, but none of your points change the fact that far more Americans identify as conservative. A multiparty system wouldn't change that, nor would it magically solve the partisan divide that doesn't interest you.
A multiparty system would change that in no time because it would immediately change the kind of political discourse you have.
Multiparty systems require parties to find common ground and compromise, while two party systems incentivize divisiveness.
It would complete change the framing of all the issues the US debates and if money has been removed from politics as well this would take away the strong power of business interests which are currently dominating.


As to point #4, if leftists aren't represented in this country, it's because the politicians are too conservative (something you'd expect from a conservative country) or because there aren't enough leftists running for office and not enough leftist voters to get them in (again, because this country leans conservative).
The country isn't conservative. The country simply has a system that grotesquely over-represents conservatives.

With Bernie Sanders you can see how even the supposedly "left wing" media is attacking moderately left ideas.
How even the Democratic party is gatekeeping in order to prevent moderately left ideas form entering the sphere of debate.
And your elected officials and media are so bought by big business that they vote down anything thats not in the immediate interest of businesses and make it seem like it is extremely unpopular, even though its only unpopular among the donor class, but they have all the power.


If you really want to change anything for the better in the US, you need to chance the system, otherwise you are fighting an uphill battle you can never win, because the system is rigged - plain and simple.



Do you know why? This is not a "Leftist" (I prefer Progressive) Country
Why wouldn't it be?

If it wasn't progressive, why would you need to rig the system to over represent conservatives?
Why would corporations need to spend billions on bribing politicians?
Why would media outlets work tirelessly to frame every issue in a certain way to people adopt a certain kind of viewpoint thats in line with corporate interests?

If the people already inherently held these views, none of this would be necessary.
 

Deleted member 5159

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
1,704
The big bully media sees me and Daddy Bernie and calls me a hussy.

Sure he pays for my college and buys me cute clothes but I worked hard for this and I don't be judged by these rude skanks on reads notes Reesaytera dot com

Daddy Bernie is gonna be the best daddy this country ever had and anybody in Europe or Canada would support my daddy.

Something wrong with the water in America

i got banned one week for something milder than this. good moderation in this place, no doubt
 

Nocturnal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,321
Lets concentrate at the issue at hand - instead of focusing on moderation & drive by posts intended to stir the pot.
To me Sanders volunteer organization, paid staff, digital campaign and canvasing apps are the only thing that can overcome the bias. I know the campaign has invested a lot into non-traditional media & self organizing. But the biggest hurdle is the vast majority of +50 something primary voters that still get their news from traditional sources. The only thing that can combat this is people on the ground going door to door, cold-calling, organizing around events/initiatives etc. The other thing I know they are doing is reaching out to people within unions & trying to get them on the campaign's side when things heat up in 2020.
 

Terrell

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,624
Canada
It's not just MSNBC but CNN as well. Like in the CNN town hall when he was ask if terrorist like the Boston Marathon Bomber should vote.

It's one person(Who has a death sentence) versus millions who served their sentence, paying their taxes but doesn't have the right to vote.

And here's more from CNN. Attacking M4A

Things like this make me question how much some folks have witnessed of politics. Questions like this are de rigueur for politicians on every continent. Hell, here in Canada, we had a new party leader for all but a day when the media laid into him with questions about whether or not he supports Sikh terrorism because of an event he attended where some attendees were martyring the Air India bomber (which bore a tinge of racism, since he's also a Sikh man). I'll re-iterate: he had held the job for BARELY A DAY before they brought him to this interview with that heavily-loaded question. Our Conservative leader has been pilloried by the media for shitting on the carbon tax introduced by the current government all throughout the past year (even before it was introduced) and then showed off their environment plan, went for an interview and got heavily cornered into saying that their plan is essentially a carbon tax but worse in every possible way. Every politician of note, in one form or another, gets an attempted evisceration by the media and they're rarely kind about it, often trying to stack the deck against the politician in ways that can come across as grossly unfair.

TL;DR - welcome to political reporting.
 

Ogodei

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,256
Coruscant
Bernie Sanders came to my attention years before the 2016 election because msnbc would have him come on, a lot. Then after the election they went really hard in the paint getting the never trumper neo-cons on constantly like Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, Rick Wilson and their ilk. It's aggravating.

The media's reaction to the shock election was to overcorrect and assume that America needed to hear from fringe right-wing voices, and this is where the never-Trumpers (now fringe themselves) can clean up. If you were a mainstream GOP hack in the fall of 2016 your fortunes did not change (or only as much as anyone in the winning side's establishment benefits), but if you were a "principled conservative" or an alt-right bellend, that was your time to shine.

We're still in that epoch although mainstream media's been burned enough from flirting with the alt-right that you don't get shit like Milo on Bill Maher as much (though Richard Spencer somehow got on CNN recently).
 

Odrion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,148
The big bully media sees me and Daddy Bernie and calls me a hussy.

Sure he pays for my college and buys me cute clothes but I worked hard for this and I don't be judged by these rude skanks on reads notes Reesaytera dot com

Daddy Bernie is gonna be the best daddy this country ever had and anybody in Europe or Canada would support my daddy.
this but unironically

hail daddy satan