I feel like I'm going mad. I read the FAIR article like three times to check and can't see the Biden MSNBC link point. I'm probably misreading this, but the article appears to focus on the misleading stats/graphs.
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FAIR: MSNBC’s Anti-Sanders Bias Makes It Forget How to Do Math
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I feel like I'm going mad. I read the FAIR article like three times to check and can't see the Biden MSNBC link point. I'm probably misreading this, but the article appears to focus on the misleading stats/graphs.
Hating on Sanders for being an old white man is not acceptable and is certainly the worst litmus test our group has tried to project on other dems.
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Actually, this is my bad, sorry.
Their point about Biden was raised here:
However, that anti-Bernie bias article builds off of this information as it mentions that the bad math is just a recent symptom of bias that was established before these mistakes started becoming noticeable.
This suggests evidence of bias existed before the bad numbers became obvious.
This sentence:
Which hyperlinks to this:
serves as the basis for their claim of bias. The bad graphs are merely an extension of that.
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I didn't say they are the same. I'm just saying that Bernie is being attacked because he threatens the neoliberal status quo.
Neoliberalism is arguably the ideology that set the stage for the nationalist backlash we are currently seeing across the US and the EU.
Also, I am neither American nor do I live in the US. I really don't care much about the partisan peculiarities of the US. You wouldn't have any of these problems if you had adopted a proper proportional voting system, like any sane country. Extremists like Trump would have a MUCH harder time getting into power if there was a multiparty system requiring them to form coalitions governments.
There is a reason why far right take overs happened in the US and the UK and it has lot to do with the voting systems in place in these countries.
Dude is hated on Twitter, but I guess that depends on your feed.
Well more people that aren't on twitter then...like old people. My grandpa says him and all of his friends love biden.
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Wow you are really, really bad at spinning history and outright projection and conjecture.
There is nothing to support Clinton voters wouldn't have supported Sanders if he somehow won the Primary in any major impact on the General. If Sanders somehow came back to win the primary, that would have indicated a major, undeniable shift in the core Democratic outlook on Sanders himself. In the face of Trump (or anyone) the party would have 110% backed him during the General election.
Not only that, but comparing Clinton voters theoretically not voting for Sanders because of Clinton primary voters not voting for Obama is about as willful ignorance to the very obvious reason that white voters within the Democratic party in conservative locations were racist and flipped GOP when "the black man took control of the party".
I give your political take and insight 2 Bernie Bagels out of 10.
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I just really started using Twitter about a year ago, that place is full of angry people and bots was extremely surprised.
No. This is a conservative country. The different factions of conservatives would happily unite around bigotry and greed, just as they have already. A multiparty system would only divide the Democrats and further cement the conservatives' grip.
Also, Trump is not really an extremist. He's the quintessential Republican, he just says what most of them are thinking.
It also scrubs his being Jewish along with his record of good stances for the rights of other minorities (even when it was unpopular) to reduce him to "just another old white man". That level of reduction puts him in the same category as Biden, which is patently absurd. There's clear Mount Everest sized differences between the two that are purposefully flattened out and is telling of how devoid of substance that line of attack against Bernie is.
Like, I can appreciate that people find it an important symbol to elect the first Woman POTUS, but there's a point in which "just another old white guy" becomes a disingenuous critique.
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Then you have a hard time actually listening to other people and are instead content to project your beliefs onto them rather than actually understanding what they see wrong with him.
Bullshit.
Universal healthcare, free college education, a proper social net, fair taxation of corporations, necessary regulation of big business, getting money out of politics, sensible gun regulation, action against climate change and many more issues are supported by vast majorities of Americans.
Conservatives simply profit of off several distorting factors:
1. Rural votes count more than urban votes(electoral college)
2. Republicans are gerrymandering more aggressively and successfully than democrats
3. Minorities are systemically kept from voting
4. Leftists are not properly represented by any party
The white, conservative, rural perspective is grotesquely overrepresented in the US and they are fighting tooth and nail and to keep it that way.
The poll I posted shows a plurality of Warren supporters going to Harris. This was true a few months back in the same poll, but is no longer the case. Most of it is name recognition based either way I think.
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Hope you don't mean me. I mentioned him being Jewish because people conveniently scrub that part of his identity to make the "just another old white guy" identity attack.
Left wing policy is popular until you tell white America all those benefits also help out people of color.
Why do you think The New Deal specifically excluded and hurt Black America? This isn't new, social welfare is much easier to implement when the population is mono-culture and can easily sympathize with each other, but when you have a country that is inherently fragmented with various social/economy/racial divides, trying to implement such policy becomes exponentially more difficult to border line impossible.
You also have the issue that the GOP is now the party of outrage and "owning the libs", so any policy decisions coming out of the Democratic side of things, no matter how inherently popular it is even with conservatives, is almost always going to be DOA with them.
White tribalism is the cancer of America, but we obviously agree on that.
Nah he's talking about lostbigboss, who's been trolling and used bagel joke about Bernie. Don't know if he's playing dumb or if he knows that begals are traditionally Jewish at least in NY.
There is absolutely a very real, very ugly undercurrent of antisemitism from the #NeverBernie crowd, and that's a major part of what you hear about people being turned off by his appearance, body language, manner of speaking, etc.
It's certainly not always present, nor would I say it's the primary reason why he's so intensely hated by that crowd at the end of the day, but you don't have to look that hard for examples.
You took the satire posted by several members making similar statements about Bernie that are made about women candidates as anti-semitism?
Holy shit.
GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.
How fucking insulated in life are you to not pick up on that?
Oh, now I see how putting certain people on ignore can remove context from some replies. lol
bigboss just made the list earlier, joining a couple of other notables. Thanks for clarifying
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Once again, I remind everyone that this thread is about FAIR's assessment of MSNBC's bias against Bernie.
There was no need for that poster to bring his ethnicity into it whatsoever and you should really think about how bad it looks for you to defend that remark.
There was no need for that poster to bring his ethnicity into it whatsoever and you should really think about how bad it looks for you to defend that remark.
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Yeah I'm just gonna report them and move on, another troll just joined the chat.
Like I said earlier this is equivalent to death by a thousand cuts, little mistake here and there add up. People are extremely misinformed, and our media companies especially when they're supposed to represent liberals should be held to a higher standard.
When has cable news ever been held to any type of standard?
Lol, I just want things to be better. Call out the inconsistencies when you see them. Its really not that hard to see when someone has an agenda.
That depends largely on your own feed tbh
Wasn't talking about my feed, Twitter is trash. That's about as controversial as saying Facebook is trash. Doesn't mean everything is bad about it tho.
That's basically the same audience. It's been well documented how out of touch twitter is with not just general electorate but the democratic primary electorate too.
When you dont consider being weak on racial issues a negative then you probably would be inclined to hold that belief.
Andrew Marr is a total hack who absolutely knows better. He was briefly a member of a Trotskyist group when he was at Uni, so I know he got at least some basic socialist education. There is no doubt in my mind that he knows he was misrepresenting Chomsky, he just doesn't have a problem with doing that kind of work.
Relative to Warren's Native American fiasco that had most people on Era (not me) certain she was done for just as her campaign started?
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I'm not a fan of Sanders. I wouldn't vote for him in a primary if I could. But the bias is plain to see.
No what's bullshit is pretending that support for something is all that matters and not how people prioritize what they support. Even Trump voters support stuff like sensible gun legislation (universal background check is a 97% issue). There is no question voters are willing to set aside hypotheticals to support much higher priorities. A candidate that prioritizes all the things you listed will get crushed if they arent strong on fuck you got mine policies that pad their wallet or threatens their place in society.
Well color me surprised that MSNBC who are owned by comcast (Biden started his campaign with a fundraiser with them) are shitting on Sanders.
If people can't see this then they must be very fucking naive.
If people can't see this then they must be very fucking naive.
Absolutely. Its a joke for anyone to even think they're comparable. Warren didnt drop the ball right before elections in states with demographics that cared and were capable of punishing her. She also didnt turn her back on those who were offended.
The folks who were overreacting to that are the same people who already showed they're out of touch by repeatedly claiming Bernie has no weaknesses on race.
She's even better on issues that folks think should be a priority. Gun legislation for one.
That isnt this dude.
The same goddamn networks that showed Donald Trump's empty podium for endless amounts of time instead of Hillary and Bernie filling stadiums and giving Trump billions worth of free coverage, stupid repeated smears like "Bernie makes my skin crawl and hes anti-woman!", etc. It absolutely should be called out.
I know yall moderate Era love to hate on Bernie for arbitrary shit, but dont pretend yall wouldn't grasp those pearls if these media types did the same unfair smears against your favored candidate.
Wait. They dont. Because they dont have a bias against anyone but Bernie lol
[Puts mic up to Liz Warren's face]
"So do you think Trump is racist?"
Liz: uhhhh hes some racist things uhh
"Yeah but do you think he's racist?"
Liz: uhhh [platitude]
Me yelling at TV: "JUST FUCKING SAY IT GOD DAMN"
but in all seriousness as a Berner, I love Liz and would absolutely vote for her. But I worry about her on the debate stage with Trump. She needs teeth, and I havnt seen enough of that from her over the years. A whole lot of noise, but odd behavior