The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
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Ezra Miller (They/Them) Kidnaps Teenager and Vanishes
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I agree Ezra is not the victim, but this isn't a good position. Everyone in jail needs mental health support, most humans alive need it and imo it should be a human right that everyone has access to, and if Ezra does have specific mental health issues the system needs to provide that from a rehabilitaion stand point.
As someone alese rightly said, if they end up in jail it will not be for life, and being put back into the world without that help would likely lead to more harm.
Shortsighted. If we aren't making attempts to rehabilitate under detention then what even is the point? They'll just come right back out at the end of their sentence and nothing will have changed. Hell, they may even be worse off. The gravity of the offence should demonstrate the need for MORE effort during their sentence, not less
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Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Like they could get rehabilitation, in fact it is something they should always try but being seen as a victim and getting sympathy is a entirely different thing, people who do these kinds of crimes shouldn't be seen as a victim when they are creating actual victims, and they don't really deserve the sympathy, should they be helped? sure but that's not exactly where my mind is at when I hear about all the terrible shit they've done
Now change that to a slur of some sort, like homophobia or racism and see how it plays out. "Said person did a bad thing so you can be as bigoted as you want towards them."
We can't just negate people's identities because they're doing bad things.
The moment you say certain people don't deserve the respect/right of being referred to by their proper pronouns, you set a precedent that certain criteria need met before human decency can be shown, which can and will be used against others.
By this logic, do you misgender other disgraced celebs? Bill Cosby, Weinstein? Of course you don't.
I don't think anyone is giving them sympathy by speaking about the need for this, though?
What the fuck does someone's behavior got to do with their identity? Would you just call a male by she/her because he killed someone? Doesn't make sense.
It's not about Ezra. Ezra isn't going to see you misgendering them. Other trans people will, and they get hurt by it. Don't do it.
Gender isn't a right you have to earn, you don't misgender a non-trans person when they do something wrong so we shouldn't misgender a trans person when they do, misgendering is transphobia plain and simple
Non-binary and Trans are different things btw. Not every NB person identifies as trans even if some do.
Is Ezra trans? I did not know that, I thought they were just going with "they" as their pronouns.
It's not about Ezra, its about showing that the right to correct pronouns is universal, not something that can be taken away if you don't like that person or they do something bad.
They're non-binary, also get off with thinking you can misgender someone just because they've done awful things.
I don't think you grasp how many innocent people you're insulting with this attitude. Do yourself a favor and reflect on how awful what you said is during your inevitable ban.
Maybe I chose the wrong words for it, and I apologize for that. I just find it crazy that people will point out the right pronouns before even commenting on the crime itself.
See above. Non-binary and trans are not the same thing, but being non-binary isn't any less valid if that's what you're suggesting.
Gender identity can be about choice, but it isn't always. I have always felt like I wasn't quite male or female, much like I always felt attracted to both men and women, I just didn't have a term for it when growing up.
isn't it just as crazy that that is the thing in this thread that you chose to take offense to? Someone correcting pronoun usage?
Do you think if a cis man did this and people kept referring to him as her that people wouldn't correct that as well? It's strange behavior.
You don't need to preface a pronoun correction with a commentary on the situation. You should have paid attention tbh, being corrected is a good thing.
And your original post is horrible, I hope the mods action you for it regardless of any rectration you make.
I think you saying respecting someone's pronouns is conditional to whether you like them or not says a lot more.
Do you use racial slurs if you don't like someone who's poc?
I'm not defending the poster when I say this, respect people's identities, but folks have no problem body shaming others that are universally hated like Trump. There are double standards at play in vitriol directed towards people.
Can we please pay attention to the fact that non-binary doesn't = trans by default?
As a non-binary person, I am often told I am trans and it's a little dismissive of my actual identify. I know others who feel the same too.
Then call those out when you see them? There's no reason to suggest that anyone correcting a pronoun has that double standard themselves.
They literally said a person doesn't deserve rights. I mean body shaming is terrible too, but saying a person doesn't deserve rights is like actual hatred and beyond insulting imo.
I'm using trans in the extremely broad sense of "having a gender identity that doesn't match the sex you were assigned at birth" here, which has always been the definition I work from. I use genderqueer as an identifier for myself, because none of the others really feel fitting for me. I guess I'm aware that there are non-binary people who do not consider themselves trans, and I'm genuinely not trying to invalidate that, but I have never understood what the difference was in their eyes? If you're one of these people and you're willing to share in DM I'd love to understand further!
If you're worried about all the terrible shit they've done then you should be advocating for an approach that minimizes the chances of them doing more terrible shit. That's all I'm saying, "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key" probably feels good to say in the moment but it hasn't exactly proven itself as an effective method of rehabilitation… which is important to consider because the vast majority of offenders DO end up back outside.
I'll share it here briefly as it's good for everyone to read, but I'm open to a DM conversation with anyone about this stuff any time! I'll put it in spoilers though as I don't want to derail too much here.
Please don't use the word trans in "broad sense" lke that. I understand the confusion people have, but for me there has been no transiton. I have always felt non-binary before the term existed, I am perfectly at home in my male sex body. For me, the term transgender never fit.
I don't mean to suggest this is coming from a bad place or anything, this stuff can definitely be confusing, it's just good to not assume as it can feel a little dissmisive and even erasing for people. I had a person argue with me once that I AM trans no matter what I say, I think it's important for people to understand that it doesn't work like that.
I don't mean to suggest this is coming from a bad place or anything, this stuff can definitely be confusing, it's just good to not assume as it can feel a little dissmisive and even erasing for people. I had a person argue with me once that I AM trans no matter what I say, I think it's important for people to understand that it doesn't work like that.
This has already been explained in the thread but I'll explain it again:
It is not okay to purposefully misgender someone just because they are a bad person. It does not just impact that person. It impacts other people who are watching you mock someone for who they are.
Do you think it would be okay to call Bill Cosby a racist slur because he's a terrible person? No, you probably don't. Because you probably understand that using racial slurs makes you racist no matter who it's aimed at.
And purposefully misgendering someone makes you a bigot, no matter who it's aimed at.
I didn't say "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key", re-read the beginning of my comment again, I'm favor of the idea rehabilitation, I'm just said that's not where my mind is at when I hear of someone doing terrible shit, they can get rehabilitation but they're still on my shit-list
I understand what you're saying, but has anyone actually suggested otherwise?
You were commenting on my reply to someone else, who WAS exhibiting the viewpoint I'm objecting to. If you don't share said person's viewpoint then great, we're in agreement! Rehabilitation doesn't have to come at the expense of accountability. It's a conflation I see happen often when it's brought up in public spaces. You can and should argue for both.
Fair enough. Again though, what should their fate be then? Rot in prison for eternity?
Edit: I saw that you have apparently addressed this in the interim. Will catch up on the posts that were made. So sorry if I misunderstood you.
I see your point but they're seriously not doing themselves any favors.
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Thank you kindly.
I think this is the best way to go about things. Consequences and rehabilitation need not be mutually exclusive.
It feels like we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop. I can't see this ending well. But I hope someone or something will help Miller come to their senses before things escalate horribly.
So timeliness for all of this as I've been reading on a number of sources.
Ezra meets Tokata/Gibson at age nine at event for protest for the pipe line, becomes friendly with them and their family.
Age 12 Ezra invites them and others to London for FBAWTFT. They try to sleep in same bed as Tokata/Gibson and are thrown out of room by one of the chaperones.
12 to 15 Ezra gives them Drugs while they visit Ezra.
16 Tokata/Gibson moves from The tribal school she is in to one that Ezra's sister is in. Also at this time Ezra brandished a gun in the home of Tokata/Gibson's uncle, against his wishes. Additional shit goes down where their family picks up a drugged up and brushed child from Ezra after Tokata/Gibson has a kind of over dose, and Ezra didn't know what to do. Tokata/Gibson detox. Also child has become paranoid of a lot of things thanks to Ezra, including the KKK which Ezra wants to shoot and burn due to personal issues. Ezra also stock piles weapons.
17 T/G goes to Ezra's sisters school after a lot of talking and Ezra pays for it. While there T/G drops out of school and goes to be with Ezra in Vermont. Family is unable to get them back, Sara,T/G mom injured by Ezra she claims.
18 Family has been trying to get them to come home frome before age change. Ezra claims T/G is now Trans, Ezra's choice, and changes Tokata's name. The two were last seen in Hawaii together.
Ezra meets Tokata/Gibson at age nine at event for protest for the pipe line, becomes friendly with them and their family.
Age 12 Ezra invites them and others to London for FBAWTFT. They try to sleep in same bed as Tokata/Gibson and are thrown out of room by one of the chaperones.
12 to 15 Ezra gives them Drugs while they visit Ezra.
16 Tokata/Gibson moves from The tribal school she is in to one that Ezra's sister is in. Also at this time Ezra brandished a gun in the home of Tokata/Gibson's uncle, against his wishes. Additional shit goes down where their family picks up a drugged up and brushed child from Ezra after Tokata/Gibson has a kind of over dose, and Ezra didn't know what to do. Tokata/Gibson detox. Also child has become paranoid of a lot of things thanks to Ezra, including the KKK which Ezra wants to shoot and burn due to personal issues. Ezra also stock piles weapons.
17 T/G goes to Ezra's sisters school after a lot of talking and Ezra pays for it. While there T/G drops out of school and goes to be with Ezra in Vermont. Family is unable to get them back, Sara,T/G mom injured by Ezra she claims.
18 Family has been trying to get them to come home frome before age change. Ezra claims T/G is now Trans, Ezra's choice, and changes Tokata's name. The two were last seen in Hawaii together.
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Agreed. We can both hold people accountable for their actions and also offer them help. Rehabilitation does more to better society than punishment. The nordic justice system model is the most humane there is on the planet.
Is there a timeline of events that They've done over the past few years anywhere i can read?
Edit: Its kind of hard keeping up with all the different threads over the years.
Edit: Its kind of hard keeping up with all the different threads over the years.
3 post before your post?
Ezra Miller (They/Them) Kidnaps Teenager and Vanishes
The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
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Thats more of an events of this event. I'm talking more about all the assaults in bars and everything else.3 post before your post?
Ezra Miller (They/Them) Kidnaps Teenager and Vanishes
The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
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