This whole thing is weird and I'm not comfortable with everyone who's ready to take their conclusions here before we have something at least a bit more concrete.
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Ezra Miller recorded choking a woman
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This whole thing is weird and I'm not comfortable with everyone who's ready to take their conclusions here before we have something at least a bit more concrete.
It would be the same if people were using "him" in a hateful manner because they know Ezra is non-binary, which I dont think has been the case with anybody here. I would say it's because they either didnt know Ezra was non-binary or was an oversight and didnt think about it before writing. It's a simple mistake and has been corrected.
The same doesnt apply to your example. You cant accidentally call a gay person the f word or a black person the n word, those are intentional and there is no way to call someone those things without being hateful and homophobic or racist.
I agree with that, we should continue to use the proper pronouns regardless of how shitty Ezra is, it just seemed like people were focusing more on that aspect than the actual OP.
"Played" is now the key term here
wasn't this movie supposed to start production for 12th time?
I am of course not talking about people who are genuinely ignorant of someone's preferred pronouns. I'm also not saying anyone is necessarily deliberately misgendering in here. However, there are people taking issue with the mod message which implies that they think if someone is a bad person it means you can call them whatever you want. Which is where my slur comparison comes in.
I see where you're coming from and I apologize if my earlier posts came off as being insensitive towards non-binary people, that wasn't my intention.
For some reason I thought it already got cancelled but maybe I'm misremembering.
As if the performance, design, and characterization weren't enough to reboot and recast The Flash
The incredibly brief video shows Ezra Miller grabbing and holding a woman by the neck, pushing her around and then pushing her to the ground. It does not show Miller "choking" anyone. Ezra also doesn't "slam" her to the ground as some people are claiming, they hold her while pushing her to the ground like they want to look tough but without being too tough. It's weird. It's fucked up enough that Miller put hands on her, we don't need the editorialising.
The tweet in the OP says "ezra miller fully choked a fan", but what the hell does "fully choking" someone even mean?
I don't know why anyone would be taking the words of now deleted twitter posts as gospel. The deleted post claim police were called so it seems like it would be easy for media to verify.
yeah I was going to say, Miller comes off drunk. But I also have no idea what's going on in the video either, it is incredibly random.
There is one element that convinced me that with the right writers, Ezra could pull it off:
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I am concerned and aware of using the correct pronouns to address someone.
I couldn't give a shit what someone CHOKING A WOMAN calls themselves, and I think a lot of people are missing the forrest for the trees
I couldn't give a shit what someone CHOKING A WOMAN calls themselves, and I think a lot of people are missing the forrest for the trees
Hmm yea this is weird.
There is no choking going on, just having a hand near the throat is not choking. You would know if someone is being choked, it is very aggressive.
There isn't a slam either, Ezra seems to guide her down. A slam is also obvious and very aggressive.
There is a disconnect here between what these actions look like, and the mundane look of the actions in the video.
I'm getting deja vu like I've seen this video before but years ago.
The Ezra Defense-force :
Actually they're not choking the girl, they're only grabbing and holding her by the neck...
Actually it can't be called a slam, they're only pushing her to the ground...
The move isn't agressive enough, they almost fall with the girl...
Or maybe they were intoxicated and not able to fight as good as they want, drunk fights are clumsy. Only thing missing in the vid is a bouncer throwing them on their ass...
Actually they're not choking the girl, they're only grabbing and holding her by the neck...
Actually it can't be called a slam, they're only pushing her to the ground...
The move isn't agressive enough, they almost fall with the girl...
Or maybe they were intoxicated and not able to fight as good as they want, drunk fights are clumsy. Only thing missing in the vid is a bouncer throwing them on their ass...
The problem is that when you say "X person is an asshole so it's okay to misgender them", what you're actually saying is "I don't see using someone's correct pronouns and not misgendering them as a right to be respected, but rather as a privilege that can be revoked". And that's transphobic.
Ezra Miller is a piece of shit. That does NOT give you the right to misgender them.
honest question, because I DONT KNOW the answer.
Can I give a shit what other people want to be called, but not give a shit what a piece of shit wants to be called?
I just usually operate on everyone deserves respect, until they dont. Ezra miller does not. So im not gonna go out of my way to misgender him, now that I know, but im not gonna feel bad for not knowing.
No.
If a gay does something shitty you can be homophobic? Of course not.
presumably the distinction between, like, fight choking and, like, sex choking
It's the same principle at play. The answer's still no.
You said "Can I give a shit what other people want to be called, but not give a shit what a piece of shit wants to be called?"
They doesn't "want" to be called, it is non binary.
pretty shocking video. the downplaying of how weird it is is, well, weird. unless we get some unprecedented explanation from everyone involved it's pretty clearly bad behavior
hee hee you're so slick and funny! oooooh you got another one in on us you rascal. eat worms
hee hee you're so slick and funny! oooooh you got another one in on us you rascal. eat worms
It isn't "defense force" to say the video looks more like a play fight than a violent act.
It might not be, but it doesn't look forceful. Without before and after it isn't clear.
We never learn with these things...
I watched it with the sound low first too, it definitely looks worse now I've watched it with the sound up.
This post made me more angry than the video. Fuck off with this
oh good, nothing of value was lost. thought for a second it was someone i respected.
Which is where my problem with this whole thing stems from. According to the screenshots of the comments, this happened outside a bar in Iceland. Iceland has been on lockdown since March 24th, which includes the closing of all bars, but the video wasn't uploaded until April 2nd.
Even ignoring that the video wasn't uploaded until over a week after the alleged incident, surely if Ezra Miller was arrested for assaulting a fan outside a bar we would've heard about it a week ago? Celebrities get arrested all the time and it always makes the news. Yet there's no video of bouncers restraining Ezra Miller, no video of them spitting at people, no video of police showing up.
All we have is a video that conveniently cuts all the context out and the only "proof" we have of any of this happening the way they said it did are a bunch of unverifiable tweets that have since been deleted.
So call me part of an Ezra Miller Defence Force if you want but folks on the internet are way too eager to race each other to see who can condemn people the fastest and I'm tired of it. This obsession with internet brownie points is disgusting and your ego is far less important than investigating accusations without bias and waiting for both sides to have their say before passing judgment.