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Aug 8, 2019
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Wonderful news. I was worried that between the polling (Arce consistently had 30-35% of the intended vote) and the electoral system being in the hands of the coupmongers, there was no way MAS would win in the first round. Always believe in the people.
 

SoundCheck

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,489
Obligatory fuck Luis Almagro post


Also, its important to remember that Evo offered to hold new elections under international observation after the OAS report. The coup wasn't for democracy, was a attempt to suppress the Left in the country, with the OAS complacency.
 
Oct 27, 2017
89
Finally some good news in 2020. The best campaigners for MAS were the corrupt right-wing government especially strongman Murillo.
 

klonere

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
3,439
Don't worry, America will have a much more competent administration in power soon who should be able to pull off this kind of thing much more effectively.

Looking forward to the sanctions package that will be prepared once the new MAS administration takes steps to A) ensure no more coups like that and B) retain control of their natural resources. Joe is on the case!
 

louisacommie

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,566
New Jersey
Don't worry, America will have a much more competent administration in power soon who should be able to pull off this kind of thing much more effectively.
Eh the downward momentum is too strong to stop at this piont5

Some ancient ghoul is going to be puppeted and then die 6 months later and then be replaced by someone literally no one voted for


Declining empire times are ago



I embrace the italiatian m9nqrchy taking over new jersey and New York in a decade


Declare war on the midwestern monarchies
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,261
Incredible news for once. CIA can get to fuck.

lmao the british gutter press really don't want to publish this story do they
 
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dabig2

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,116
Good thing to wake up to!

Now, I do hope they bring about justice for the murdered in this coup:
The extensive evidence presented shows that the armed forces and police used lethal weapons to suppress demonstrations against the disrespect of the constitutional order by the self-proclaimed government of Añez, resulting in 21 dead and more than 70 injured. No medical care was provided to the victims of the repression. On the contrary, in both cases, witnesses claim that those who tried to help the victims were also fired upon. On 14 November 2019, one day before the Sacaba massacre, Áñez signed a decree guaranteeing impunity for the armed forces.
To date, no judicial inquiry could be held to determine responsibility for the killings and the serious injuries inflicted on the people exercising their right to demonstrate. On the contrary, in the weeks following the events, evidence has been destroyed, many witnesses have been subjected to torture and threats, and the armed and security forces have refused to give the public prosecutor any information on the persons commanding the operations, the units mobilized or the weapons they carried. In addition, people continued to be arbitrarily detained for participating in the November demonstrations.

Bring down the hammer, and send all of the rats and their CIA contacts scurrying.

It's nonsense. The key finding is the statistical analysis which you admit is rubbish. The rest are small scale voting irregularities that happen in any election anywhere in the world. It's like using that story of finding a few discarded military ballots in Pennsylvania as a pretence to invalidate the American election. There's no evidence that any of those irregularities were on a scale close enough to have had any bearing on the result.

Tbh, I wish someone invalidated the USA 2000 election. If there was ever an election that deserved to have a government coup'd following it, it would be 2000, and specifically talking about Florida where some asshole's brother just happened to be governor...
We're still suffering from the results of that one, and that election may have literally cost us the chance at avoiding a 2C+ climate changed world.
 

Entryhazard

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,843
This is the best result I could hope for. Evo is out for his strongman bullshit, Anez is out for her evangelical fascist bullshit, and Bolivia gets to continue experimenting with left wing policy in a democracy.
In hindsight this seems to have worked for the best for almost everyone in Bolivia. You get a legitimate, clean transition, no more concerns about Evo's grip on power, and keep the indigenous movement alive.

Edit: beaten by ibyea!
What Morales was trying to do was illegal, nobody wanted to forbid socialism or anything, just kick Morales out.
^ the best outcome in 2020. If we're gonna rewind to 2019, then of course the best outcome would have been for Arce to win then with no Morales and no coup.



Exactly where I'm at with this. Morales in 2019 was bullshit, and the coup that followed more bullshit. Good for Bolivia.
I obviously do not favor coups, but you'd have to be naive to believe that Evo's 2019 victory, while legitimate from an election process perspective, wasn't causing a lot of tension since his failed attempt at reforming the Constitution to allow for further reelection (which led to the legitimate Court's decision to allow him to run anyway).

I'm not suggesting that the takeaway is to overthrow democratically elected governments. But power corrupts, and the mere fact that Bolivia was able to hold clean elections in a years time despite the coup speaks volumes. It could have torn the country apart for years, as it happened in Egypt or Libya.
Just take the L instead of spinning a fascist coup over proven false pretenses and murder of indigenous people as a good thing you imperialist stooges
 

smisk

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Oct 27, 2017
2,998
This is fantastic, great news for democracy and human rights in Bolivia. Here's hoping the official results bear this out.
 
Jun 20, 2019
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Thank God there was enough resilience among Bolivians to preserve their democracy in defiance of a right-wing coup.

Get fucked Musk.
 

ibyea

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Oct 25, 2017
4,163
Just take the L instead of spinning a fascist coup over proven false pretenses and murder of indigenous people as a good thing you imperialist stooges
Not spinning anything, I agree with you about the coup, my wording was poor and made it seem like it was a good thing. I was mainly expressing relief that the fascist lost, and MAS won without the need for Morales. As in, I thought things were going to be Pinochet level bad.
 

Operations

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Oct 29, 2017
1,174
Because history shows foreign coups usually result in far more destruction and death, not to mention that when the Military gets involved it usually results in a power grab where it takes decades to restore democracy (thinking of Chile). Had Morales stayed and fought his win (legitimacy notwithstanding) I'm afraid something like this could've happened. The fact that Bolivia avoided that and successfully restored democracy in a year's time is a positive in my book.
 
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kradical

kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
6,570
Oh boy dare I ask what he said this time?

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kambaybolongo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Argue with the other guy about it, not me. There was never any controversy about whether it was legal for FDR to run again, that is not the case here and you don't need to support the opposition's coup in 2019 to see that.
The only reason there was controversy about Morales in the first place is that he's a South American leftist. That's the point.
 

Davilmar

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Oct 27, 2017
4,264
Whatever my criticisms of Morales, I am glad these right-wing thugs will be thrown out of office.
 

GenTask

Member
Nov 15, 2017
2,661
Another reminder this happened on Trump's watch and Democrat Majority neo-lib wing went along with it. Because that's their modus operandi.

Just like this whole time they've done nothing about Trump's numerous War Crimes.
 

Magni

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Just take the L instead of spinning a fascist coup over proven false pretenses and murder of indigenous people as a good thing you imperialist stooges

I'm not spinning anything, but you and a couple of others who have quoted me in this thread need to work on your reading comprehension.


What does being glad that Arce won have to do with supporting the murder of indigenous people or supporting fascist coups?

I'm glad that socialism was able to continue in Bolivia without Morales himself on the ballot. I'm definitely not glad in what ended up happening last year for that to happen this year.
 
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Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Another reminder this happened on Trump's watch and Democrat Majority neo-lib wing went along with it. Because that's their modus operandi.

Just like this whole time they've done nothing about Trump's numerous War Crimes.

Nothing unites Republicans and centrist Democrats like crushing the left.
 

hachikoma

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,628
This is the best result I could hope for. Evo is out for his strongman bullshit, Anez is out for her evangelical fascist bullshit, and Bolivia gets to continue experimenting with left wing policy in a democracy.
This is so patronizing. Gross.

The "strongman bullshit" here was a fucking US coup, lol.
 

Magni

Member
Without Morales? It's his party. He's already outlining policy that's going to be implemented.


True, I should have been more precise and said without Morales _as president_. Sure he's still super influential today, but any movement needs new blood to keep progressing, and I doubt Arce will just be a yes man for long. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be a Medvedev 🤷‍♂️ but I don't see it.
 

anamika

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May 18, 2018
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True, I should have been more precise and said without Morales _as president_. Sure he's still super influential today, but any movement needs new blood to keep progressing, and I doubt Arce will just be a yes man for long. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be a Medvedev 🤷‍♂️ but I don't see it.
What specifically is the problem with Morales? He was a good president, creating policies that benefited his people. It's based on his policies that his party won the election twice. Why do we need new blood, when the old one was good enough?

For example:


Yes, Arce is the new President, but I have no issues with him implementing Morales' policies which benefit indigenous Bolivians rather than US supported greedy capitalists.
 

Fugu

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Oct 26, 2017
2,730
This thread is... quite embarrassing, to say the least. A violent, foreign sponsored coup is rarely, if ever, justifiable, and no attempt should be made to justify it in these circumstances.
 

hachikoma

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,628
True, I should have been more precise and said without Morales _as president_. Sure he's still super influential today, but any movement needs new blood to keep progressing, and I doubt Arce will just be a yes man for long. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be a Medvedev 🤷‍♂️ but I don't see it.
Evo isn't Putin, holy shit.
 
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kradical

kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
6,570
True, I should have been more precise and said without Morales _as president_. Sure he's still super influential today, but any movement needs new blood to keep progressing, and I doubt Arce will just be a yes man for long. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be a Medvedev 🤷‍♂️ but I don't see it.

Ah yes, Morales is Putin, of course.
 

demondance

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Oct 27, 2017
3,808
Fantastic news. I hope the wealthy class that triggered the coup aren't about to resort to ramping up terror attacks, though... their seething hatred for the indigenous people of Bolivia probably doesn't go away over another democratic vote not going their way.

Wonder when we'll hear from all the western liberals who supported the coup?

They're getting their talking points in order on this fine morning, I'm sure.

Nice to see REAL democracy take hold once again.

Fuck the CIA and the many imperialist bootlickers who cheered the coup on last year.

And fuck the New York Times for yet again doing their part to spread misinformation and get people exiled and killed. Sure, they walked it back months later, as they often do, but we all know what was going on there from the start.