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Ex-Naughty Dog animator: "ND's games success is due in large part to Sony's deep pocket funding delays rather than skill alone"
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it's because it's true, Neil is also speaking the truth there (even Cooper says the game will be great and with top tier animation), but as Jason's article was asking, at what cost and is it worth it?
Wow.
It would have been way better not to respond if he ain't got nothing. What a dumbass.
Two people can be proud of the work they do inside their own studios i think.
because he thinks crunch is passion.
Giant Bomb asked Cory Barlog about recent Labor Issue debate in video game industry
edit: timestamp 46:08. it is a audio interview, no spoiler in the interview, interviewer didn't finish the game really don't want to quote directly from the audio, I am lazy and just want people to go to GB website. edit: It is the last question in the interview, about in the last 8 minutes...
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2 months before launch, GOW had 3000 bugs that were fixed w/o delays. think about those crazy 60 days...
EDIT: or he is REALLY naive and is responding only to the animator's praise that Neil speaks, which i doubt.
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It's par of the course with Sony devs... with Kojima being the master fart sniffing master.
Clearly he's taking a swipe at this thread but those metrics within the 3 hours since he posted it are kinda staggering.
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If he's good enough, he can say whatever he wants (within reason) about his former job.
He clearly believes he's good enough, and I have no reason to doubt him.
Can you blame them? Most of the best games in the history of gaming came from them.
I mean, we're talking in part about animations right. I saw it in Neil's replies... Of his tweet boasting about his animation team.
I am fighting the urge to be a prick and avatar quote right now
but seriously, not the time and place to gush about animations
Cute singling our Sony devs when it happens almost everywhere. Kojima isn't technically a Sony dev either
and Barlog used to be an animator before be become director IRC.because he thinks crunch is passion.
Giant Bomb asked Cory Barlog about recent Labor Issue debate in video game industry
edit: timestamp 46:08. it is a audio interview, no spoiler in the interview, interviewer didn't finish the game really don't want to quote directly from the audio, I am lazy and just want people to go to GB website. edit: It is the last question in the interview, about in the last 8 minutes...
2 months before launch, GOW had 3000 bugs that were fixed w/o delays. think about those crazy 60 days...
EDIT: or he is REALLY naive and is responding only to the animator's praise that Neil speaks, which i doubt.
Yeah the fact that the industry literally ruins the lives of workers is kinda bad BUT WOAH LOOK AT THIS COOL ANIMATION.
People aren't running efficiently doing 80 hours a week. They aren't solving any problems, only exacerbating them. Because all that sloppy work your drained workers are doing ultimately are going to lead to other bugs, or in the case of animation, needing revision work that further strains your already strained team.
I fucking pulled ludicrous hours for so long that the stress caused a severe head-to-toe eczema reaction, and now I literally wear my stress on my face.
I clearly said I chose this job, but no nobody knows what they signed up for in military. You can ask anybody that's been in for quite some time is it what they thought or told it would be be and their answer would likely be no.
And if you can say I knew what I signed up for you can say the same for ND employees, but nobody truly knows until they are actually in the position.
He's definitely right. The animators really did great on the animations of the game. Jonathan's "my ex coworkers animation skills suck" statement was def bullshit and a dick move to his ex colleagues, imo. So I'm quite behind Neil's "Our animators are awesome" statement.
That being said, as a dev myself, I do hope the crunching decreases somewhat.
That being said, as a dev myself, I do hope the crunching decreases somewhat.
He never said that. You know he didnt, so stop acting like he did.
My avitar is a representation of a game I'm hyped for. Nothing less or more. That aside, I edited the post. The animations have been discussed in both threads about the topic. And even though none of the previous posts about the animation quality have been offesive to me, again, I've removed my post about it.
No apologies needed but apparently this is the wrong thread for the animation to be discussed so lets move that elsewhere.
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Except he praised their skills, he complained about replacing senior animators with junior animators (or even animators from outside the video game industry) and their lack of experience. Jeez guys, read and understand the text before you start commenting it.
The tweet is either blindingly tone-deaf or is subtly insisting that the end result makes all of the crunch worth it.
Either way is a shitty take.
I suppose these kinds of tweets at this point in time are all part of their focus tested strategy. Ignore the real issues and steer it in another direction. Disgusting.
Some of the most critical actions to take during a crisis are:
- Respond quickly. SUCCESS
- Take responsibility. FAIL
- Be candid, transparent, and honest in your communication. FAIL
- Show empathy and compassion. FAIL
Something like this would have been better ->
And also a lie lolSome of the most critical actions to take during a crisis are:
- Respond quickly. SUCCESS
- Take responsibility. FAIL
- Be candid, transparent, and honest in your communication. FAIL
- Show empathy and compassion. FAIL
Something like this would have been better ->
these also from ND employees (or former employees):
Tons of evidence ->
www.glassdoor.com.mx
- Bad Estimation of workloads and bad organization leads to too many work hours. Not great for overall health and family on the long run if you are not careful about setting limits (Dec 2019)
- Crunch hours consisted of staying at the studio for large amounts of time (Oct 2019)
- Management doesn't communicate with each other and no one seems to take deadlines seriously, often leading to confusing, conflicting and often contradicting direction/feedback at the last minute. - the crunch hours are awful. This has been the worst/longest crunch I've ever been part of.... (Oct 2019)
- Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch (Dec 2018)
- Some times the crunch are necessary. (Nov 2018)
- The only downside is the crunch is brutal most of the time, although they realize it and they are trying harder to fix it, which is nice. Lots of late hours and there's some pressure to stay late even though they can't exactly order you to stay late or come in on the weekend because that would be (Nov 2017)
Tons of evidence ->
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Is it really the best studio in the industry with practices like the ones shown in the Kotaku article and the tweets the OP shared?
If so, our standards are REALLY low. We have to be better in this industry, and sacrificing people's lifes so we have fun games is not worth it.
Or she's simply proud of her work in the animation department.
Why not both? The timing of these tweets isn't a coincidence.
God of War was crunched on really hard and he had no qualms about it.
He doesn't have a problem with crunch and thinks unionizing is a waste of time for devs.