That's an interesting perspective, I haven't heard that before. I buy it, although I do maintain Leia could have done what Luke did if she had trained with Ben and/or Yoda. Vader only knew her as a rebel, but he didn't know she was his daughter. In that sense, I don't think she's any different than Luke -- and before he dies, Vader's final thoughts turn to her.Not Ahsoka. Dave Filoni did state in interviews that Vader was faking "turning to the light" in their duel in Rebels. That Vader at that time viewed Anakin Skywalker as weak, and something to be destroyed, including his personal connections.
Vader has no love for Ahsoka, because she abandoned him. Anakin loved Ahsoka as a daughter, but she turned away from him and thus, another connection to Skywalker that must be destroyed. Like Obi-wan and like the Jedi.
Luke had the chance to reach him because he was the son he was told was dead. He couldn't hate Luke because Luke was a literal innocent to everything that happened.
Only Luke could redeem Vader. Not even Leia could do it, because Vader already knew who she was who she really was wouldn't matter.
So I haven't watched Clone Wars. I tried but couldn't get past the baby Hutt. How does Anakin have an apprentice? In ROTS the council wouldn't grant him the rank of Master I thought.
Arguably in the new canon it's easier. In the old canon the Jedi were way more powerful.
So I haven't watched Clone Wars. I tried but couldn't get past the baby Hutt. How does Anakin have an apprentice? In ROTS the council wouldn't grant him the rank of Master I thought.
lmaoWhat's more hilarious is the inability of some people to fucking count. Even in legends, something like only 1% of the Jedi order survived Order 66.
Lol I was watching a top 10 Jedi list because the Star Wars lore is hella interesting. Kit Fisto was in the top 10 and the dude said like it was some kind of accomplishment that he lasted seconds against Sidious. I didn't know whether to laugh or be impressed.
Nick fury confirmed.I don't really read the books, I guess Mace Windu is out there with a scarred face and some robotic arms
No, in the old Canon you had super powerful Jedi and others that died by the hundreds.Arguably in the new canon it's easier. In the old canon the Jedi were way more powerful.
Harder to kill by who in particular?No, in the old Canon you had super powerful Jedi and others that died by the hundreds.
In the new Canon Jedi are rarer and harder to kill. You just don't have starkiller types running around.
Regular people.
Wait are we talking post purge or just in general?Regular people.
I mean who have Jedi and with dying by the dozens in the old republic.
In general.
Oh true.In general.
The old Canon made some Jedi super gods and a bunch of others battledroids.
A considerable amount of time passes between episode 2 and 3. Anakin is not in his early twenties during episode 3. Clone wars are like years long IIRCHow old is Luke supposed to be in the original Star Wars trilogy? Because it's weird how Anakin in his early 20s and Obi-wan in his early 30s both turning into old farts by the time Luke looks like he's supposed to be 18.
I don't really read the books, I guess Mace Windu is out there with a scarred face and some robotic arms
Huh? The films show you pretty well how it worked, the Jedi were often operating alone with a ton of Clone Troopers under their command. Clone Troopers with abilities on par with Jango Fett, who was strong enough to give Obi Wan a good fight. They also had the element of surprise. The Jedi weren't expecting to be betrayed by their own troops, and even if they survived an initial surprise attack they were usually surrounded by hostiles.right, but that's a problem in the filmmaking. there's absolutely nothing in the prequel trilogy that shows that order 66 would work.
He got done dirty as Kit was hella strong. Sidious is just OP as fuck. He literally dances around Maul and his brother before effortlessly killing Savage and torturing Maul.
He actually is still in his early 20s. He's a ripe old forty-five when unmasked in RotJ.A considerable amount of time passes between episode 2 and 3. Anakin is not in his early twenties during episode 3. Clone wars are like years long IIRC
Anakin looks old because he was burned to shit. Kenobi doesn't look that old, he looks to be in his 60's in the original trilogy.
I legit googled those namesRemember when Yoda was the last of the Jedi and Luke his last apprentice, giving a tremendous sense of weight and purpose to his journey?
Nah turns out Quarlok Vhi and Jimso Dangar were secretly helping Yoda in Dagobah or some shit.
Anakin is only 23 in Revenge of the Sith....The Clone Wars only last three years. The empire only being around for 19 years, (Luke's age in ANH), was not part of the original plan.A considerable amount of time passes between episode 2 and 3. Anakin is not in his early twenties during episode 3. Clone wars are like years long IIRC
Anakin looks old because he was burned to shit. Kenobi doesn't look that old, he looks to be in his 60's in the original trilogy.
Even so, yeah, Palpatine was stupidly powerful. Maul was easily as strong as Windu or Dooku and Palpatine just toyed with him even when he was enraged by Savage's death.
He actually is still in his early 20s. He's a ripe old forty-five when unmasked in RotJ.
Oh I didn't realize he was that young still, thought he was mid to late twenties. Either way, he looks bad when unmasked as vader because of his severe burns, has nothing to do with age.Anakin is only 23 in Revenge of the Sith....The Clone Wars only last three years. The empire only being around for 19 years, (Luke's age in ANH), was not part of the original plan.
Oh I didn't realize he was that young still, thought he was mid to late twenties. Either way, he looks bad when unmasked as vader because of his severe burns, has nothing to do with age.
Yeah Mace is one of the most powerful, more powerful than Obi-Wan and probably second to Yoda in terms of pure martial strength. It is POSSIBLE that Mace could've killed Sheev, it just didn't shake out that way due to Anakin's interference and the nature of Sheev's powers.Pretty sure Lucas is on record saying that Mace was one of the most powerful Jedi and he also beat Sidious one on one.
I've never known severe burns to age someone 33 years.Oh I didn't realize he was that young still, thought he was mid to late twenties. Either way, he looks bad when unmasked as vader because of his severe burns, has nothing to do with age.
That's an ideal version of Anakin as a force ghost without his injuries, should be obvious given the fact that he was severely burned and dismembered. You know that, lol.
Yeah that's my point. Look how old that idealized version of him looks.That's an ideal version of Anakin as a force ghost without his injuries, should be obvious given the fact that he was severely burned and dismembered. You know that, lol.
Doesn't it lessen the impact of Luke and his role In ROTJ? If it turns out he and Leia weren't the last Jedi left, the stakes weren't that high after all and had he failed during his confrontation with the Emperor, it seems.many others could have pursued a renewed attempt.I like the idea of other jedi surviving. Especially because, for one, it doesn't make much sense to me that damn near every jedi in the galaxy got mowed down by some damn clone troopers. How would none of them somehow slip through the cracks, be unaccounted for or just be strong enough to fight their way out and survive? I mean, some did, but more than a few should have. And I also like it because it still makes sense with how the movies went. Even if quite a few survived, there's little to nothing they could do against Vader and/or the Emperor. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka teaming up would probably be the only ones who had a shot. Even then, I don't think it's a sure thing they could beat him.
What? No. Maul was never on their level.
Are you talking about the Force Ghost Anakin or Vader when Luke takes his mask off? Because when Luke takes the mask off Vader is clearly just severely disfigured. Force ghost Anakin was retconned into Hayden Christiansen.
Pretty sure Lucas is on record saying that Mace was one of the most powerful Jedi and he also beat Sidious one on one.
Yeah but he got retconned out.Yeah that's my point. Look how old that idealized version of him looks.
A disfigured 80 year old, yeahAre you talking about the Force Ghost Anakin or Vader when Luke takes his mask off? Because when Luke takes the mask off Vader is clearly just severely disfigured. Force ghost Anakin was retconned into Hayden Christiansen.
So just pointing out, the actor was 77 when that scene was filmed. The rapid aging thing is just one of those PT missteps that we're supposed to just accept and not question. Sorta like Leia remembering Padme for....the like minute that they were together.That's an ideal version of Anakin as a force ghost without his injuries, should be obvious given the fact that he was severely burned and dismembered. You know that, lol.
how is 2 jedi that don't use the force at all a balance to 2 Sith that use the force willy nilly just to punish failure.It also helped the "prophecy" make sense in the Prequels and OT, in that Darth Vader did indeed "bring balance to the force".
He was the one who led the charge against Jedis, eventually bringing down the number to two (Obi-Wan and Yoda) against two Sith Lords (Himself and the Emperor).
When Luke began his Jedi training, he did it again by killing Obi-Wan (again, leaving two Jedis and two Siths).
And again when Yoda died by killing the Emperor with his own hands (leaving one Jedi and one Sith).
Although perhaps involuntary, I always liked the idea this prophecy was not about reinforcing the strength of the Jedis, but rather literally about bringing back both sides of the force to the same level.
This is one interpretation but depending on the author 'balance to the force' means different things. I think that the cannon is that the 'dark side' is a warped version of the force that is not natural and therefore not part of the balance. (this is a sucky interpretation but hey)It also helped the "prophecy" make sense in the Prequels and OT, in that Darth Vader did indeed "bring balance to the force".
He was the one who led the charge against Jedis, eventually bringing down the number to two (Obi-Wan and Yoda) against two Sith Lords (Himself and the Emperor).
When Luke began his Jedi training, he did it again by killing Obi-Wan (again, leaving two Jedis and two Siths).
And again when Yoda died by killing the Emperor with his own hands (leaving one Jedi and one Sith).
Although perhaps involuntary, I always liked the idea this prophecy was not about reinforcing the strength of the Jedis, but rather literally about bringing back both sides of the force to the same level.