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EUROGAMER | Is Xbox Game Pass too good to be true?
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Surely that's Apple.
Anyway, I think eventually the deals will dry up if it takes off more broadly and obviously price increases. They are still trying to rapidly grow and sustain it with new games and it's still early days.
The largest percentage converted for $1 according to what you said so that's only $1 worth of new revenue as those people already had gold. That actually supports what I said.
With an article title like that, it only strengthens the narrative of trolls. Yeah the content of the article may not match the title but it's going to cause more problems than solve anything
I got a XSX and have only played Gamepass games on it. I love it and always have tons of things to play (on PC and cloud as well). If MS was worried about the long term viability of it I doubt they'd let you stack up to 3 years. Marketshare, I suspect, is more important to them than increasing cost.
So you're saying one day Netflix will be $30 a month or something? Because when people say price increases it sounds like that instead of the natural adjustment of a dollar or two.
considering 3 month cards are always going on sale I'm not that concerned at all.
As someone who doesn't have Game Pass or intend to and cares about the developers, this relieved a lot of my concerns in regards to funding, curation, creativity of vision (Tim Schafer being inspired to bring out discarded ideas), and features. Great article, Chris Tapsell!
I'm gonna bet that most of those people didn't have three years of Gold stacked on their account before doing this deal.
The deal advice is 'buy three years of Gold (because that's the max you can convert) for $180 and convert it'.
But presumably if they had gold already they would have continued their subs to access online functions even if gamepass never existed.
Ngl back in my broke university days I would have needed this service and I hope it does well.
But today, as you mentioned, if a game releases that I want to play (most recently Persona Strikers) I will get and disregard the games I could be playing for free on gamepass.
So in my unique case (atm, who knows what MS does in the future) the XSX and GPU sub are come on top of my regular gaming spending.
tbf here in Germany the 4 screen HD plan is already at 18€ (12€ for 2 screens).
So you don't need to be nostradamus to predict that one day Netflix will be 30 USD.
But I'm with you, it will be small increments over a long period of time. Don't think any subscirption provider will be hike the price 30% in one go.
I also believe that MS has to use new AAA game prices as a point of orientation.
Right now new games are 70-80€ here, so a year of gamepass (180€) is "less than three new games".
If (or rather when) AAA games release at 100€, the price for gamepass will rise accordingly.
That 18€ 4 screen plan is also for 4k, right? The 12€ plan is the normal, HD 2 screen deal (that presumably most people sub to).
I see that as the different between Game Pass and Game Pass Ultimate maybe. Netflix adding a new tier (UHD) for a small extra charge (like Game Pass Ultimate offering Gold and Game Pass for PC at a small increased charge) rather than them creeping the price up for everyone.
They definitely have crept the price up in the past but it's been super slow. I remember them getting a load of backlash once and reverting it. Feels like a long time before they'll be able to creep up to $30!
Fair enough! If you're the type to exhaustively go through a single game at a time, then yup, a deluge of content is irrelevant.
Yeah, I also think most people choose the 12€ one. The 8€ plan (1 screen, SD) is only there to make the other plans look good imo
Yet some want the 4 screen plan and don't have 4K TVs. Others want 4K but only need 1 screen. They are all funneled in the most expensive plan.
Not even arguing that it's a bad deal, just saying it's not super unusual to get it as 4K TVs have become standard.
My point is : 2014 they started here with 8€-9€-12€, 6 years later it's 8-12-18. I know, 4K fucks up the comparison lol
Whether that's slow is subjective but it won't be too long until it hits 30€. I'm old, 10 years doesn't feel that long anymore.
All in all I think there is a massive difference between adjusting prices over time for inflation and increasing the price as a business decision. Netflix imo isn't really squeezing customers.
Don't believe MS will do that with gamepass either.
Don't think it's a valid argument against Gamepass to predict that it will be more than 15€ one day. Duh, of course.
As long as it stays in line with what's happening in terms of inflation and the overall economy, it's not an issue.,
Microsoft has been consistent in saying that Gamepass drives other revenue/engagement, though. So even if someone had 3 years of gold stacked up, presumably it's worth it for MS for that person to convert to Gamepass instead, as they'll play more games that leads to them buying games they wouldn't have otherwise. And there's no direct cost to MS for them doing so.
I think the worry is how games will be designed to be even more MTX focused to make up for lost revenue.
Read the whole thing.
One thing I found interesting from the article is that in the near future there will be publishers and devs not owned by MS who will build their games centered around the idea of gamepass and being on it day 1 for the huge audience, creating a snowball effect.
One thing I found interesting from the article is that in the near future there will be publishers and devs not owned by MS who will build their games centered around the idea of gamepass and being on it day 1 for the huge audience, creating a snowball effect.
I'm sure you won't be saying this when Bethesda titles drop day one on game pass...
And it's great for consumers imo. All three companies are doing something different and all three are succeeding from the looks of it.
Which was addressed on the article but i guess reading ain't cool in 2021 anymore
uhhh but you agree it being digital and all surely cuts down on that right?
It's a loss leader, plain and simple. Like Costco rotisserie chicken, it gets people in the (proverbial) door
I bought a bunch a Pringles during a sale and topped up my Game Pass account with 18 months for €54. Donated most of the Pringles to the food bank.
So, if not Microsoft, at least Pringles and my local food bank are getting something out of it.
So, if not Microsoft, at least Pringles and my local food bank are getting something out of it.
I spend more money on GamePass than I spent on regular Xbox games prior to that. I think I'm the target audience here. It's almost like an anti-whale strategy.
A console attach rate is usually like 7 to 10 games per console, right? So that's $420 - $600 spent on games per user. GamePass is $15/mo I think? That's $900 over a five year console generation, way more revenue in the ecosystem. That's where the math works out in GamePass's favor.
A console attach rate is usually like 7 to 10 games per console, right? So that's $420 - $600 spent on games per user. GamePass is $15/mo I think? That's $900 over a five year console generation, way more revenue in the ecosystem. That's where the math works out in GamePass's favor.
Super interesting article and I hadn't thought of one key difference to netflix or other subscription models, how you can actually buy the games, often at a discount and how it encourages buying DLC, trying other types of games. A real gateway of gaming. So it seems like its working for pretty much everybody and Microsoft is in it for the long haul.
Even if that wasn't the case, and it was some moviepass kind of nuttyness, the value is so amazing at the moment, even if you could only have it for a few months or a year, you'd get so much out of it. As the article shows, I play way more games. Way more.
Even if that wasn't the case, and it was some moviepass kind of nuttyness, the value is so amazing at the moment, even if you could only have it for a few months or a year, you'd get so much out of it. As the article shows, I play way more games. Way more.
as long as they don't make you subscribe annually, its fine. Only subscribe when there are games on there to play.
I subscribed in December, played doom eternal and cancelled my subscription, probably wont subscribe again until starfield comes out.
to me its not really anything more then a rental service.
Personally I'm jaded about on demand services in general and would rather have some semblance of ownership still, with on demand/streaming stuff being supplemental at best. But I can see why it would be good value for some and it's obviously the way things are headed eventually and will end up being the main way of consumption. I do think people will get fed up of the higher RRPs for games sooner or later, bringing more people to such services.
But I really hope the video game industry is unique enough that gamepass and its competitors don't ultimately echo the worst aspects of other on demand services eg. the sheer amount of dreck you have to wade through on netflix to get a good show and the fact that all the services are rasing their prices now so the value proposition eventually gets lower if you wanted to regularly sub to more than one platform. And I also really hope these services won't be like Spotify where it is really tough for small and medium developers to do well. But thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.
But I really hope the video game industry is unique enough that gamepass and its competitors don't ultimately echo the worst aspects of other on demand services eg. the sheer amount of dreck you have to wade through on netflix to get a good show and the fact that all the services are rasing their prices now so the value proposition eventually gets lower if you wanted to regularly sub to more than one platform. And I also really hope these services won't be like Spotify where it is really tough for small and medium developers to do well. But thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.
It reduces it, and that matters more than mah physical collection bullshit
This thread has reminded me of the Game Pass is "not the way I play games" type.
They're like my friend who when we are about to hit play on a movie on a streaming service says "No dude. I own that movie on Blu-ray."
Games may be considered owned items, but the actual worth of games is in the experience they offer. That's why Game Pass is revolutionary.
They're like my friend who when we are about to hit play on a movie on a streaming service says "No dude. I own that movie on Blu-ray."
Games may be considered owned items, but the actual worth of games is in the experience they offer. That's why Game Pass is revolutionary.
These video game articles from "journalists" never seem to realize Microsoft is worth over 1 trillion
I don't think anyone is really going to argue otherwise, but those sticking to the traditional method has resulted in an increased to $70 price tag
I keep coming to the realization that what most people fear from gamepass is the service ending. The whiplash of something like that would be immense.
Anecdotally the friends I have on Xbox who didn't jump on gamepass right away all spoke about wanting to own their games or not trusting the service. As word of mouth spread majority of the friends I have are subbed. The more skeptical sub to play a game or 2 on the service and cancel, whilst still referencing the above issues.
Anecdotally the friends I have on Xbox who didn't jump on gamepass right away all spoke about wanting to own their games or not trusting the service. As word of mouth spread majority of the friends I have are subbed. The more skeptical sub to play a game or 2 on the service and cancel, whilst still referencing the above issues.
I know this argument is made quite a bit but it is quite narrowly focused.
"Most people will pay more than just buying stuff they were going to play'
- Perhaps but that assumes you are one person utilizing the service. The value of Netflix, Spotify etc is also in the ability for the household to access these services for the same price. Lots of parents have Netflix mainly for their kid's paw patrol time for eg and their watching time is a bonus. For me, my kids also use gamepass to access titles like Disney Rush; i think this will be a key focus for gamepass going forward
- Your time is valuable. Actually figuring out what you want to play takes time and time is money too. So if you spend a lot of time watching trailers, reading articles, playing demos and then paying full price for two games (90 CAD * 2), then 180 CAD for a year of gamepass ultimate is not bad. I dare say even at 240 CAD a year, its not too bad.
- Access - Netflix, Spotify; one of their calling cards is access everywhere on every device. Gamepass wants to do that too. Is there value there for everyone? Maybe not but given everyone owns multiple devices at this point, it clearly is potential value for a lot of people and actual value for many already
- Stuff I know I am going to play is usually just a way to say I will buy every Sony game or every Nintendo game or every FIFA game. Just like Netflix expanded the number of genres and sources (like Americans watching French TV) people are willing to try, the same holds true for gamepass
They are giving an opinion. Their opinion doesn't equal fact.
i'm sure the people from the industry involved in the deals know far less than concerned users of resetera
Look at Halo Infinite. It's shaping up to be a generation long game to replace what might have been several releases and is already causing controversy with its micro transaction design before its even released.
tell me
if game pass subscribers are on average higher revenue (on subscriber revenue alone) than gamers that simply buy games, how does one lose revenue if every game buyer were to become a subscriber?
I would say an example is more their $1.50 hotdog and soda combo that get more people into the stores but even with that chicken, the prices have never been raised in those two things and we clearly see how successful Costco has been.
The trend of big shooters moving to a F2P "game as a platform" model isn't driven by game pass, it is just the way the genre is heading, even CoD has now succumbed to it. Activision are also seeing that by making the move to F2P they have diminished interest in their yearly titles.
Halo 5, which predates game pass, already had MTX which were awful, so MTX in Halo is just more of the same on that front. The only silver lining is that they will be limited to the F2P multiplayer side.
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You're being incredibly transparent right now.
What is it about positive Xbox Game Pass remarks that rustles jimmies so much?