I think they don't care as they WANT the only thing on your hard drive to be Call of Duty.
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Eurogamer: Activision warns a standard 500GB PS4 may no longer fit Call of Duty: Warzone, Black Ops Cold War and Modern Warfare
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OK, so this is a PS4 file update process, not a PS5 process. That's the key thing you need to keep in mind. The process is designed around working on a mechanical HDD, having an SSD during this point only makes the file copies faster, nothing else. The video you linked to explains why the PS5 process can be different for Sony.
You're too focussed on the bytes and not the process. Sony wholesale duplicate files on the file system to modify them. Xbox modify them in place, this process can happen in memory and you then write the modified change back to disk. That's why the PS4 needs so much space to apply a patch and why the Xbox doesn't. Nothing more nothing less. Anyone with an Xbox can validate this for you, you can even validate it yourself.
Edit: You know what, you're right, no point arguing this. PS4 needs 107GB, Xbox doesn't, that's the simple truth of it. We can argue technicalities all day but you don't have an Xbox, won't accept that the Xbox doesn't need that much space whilst the PS4 does despite it being a well known issue then I'm not sure I can convince you outside of coming to your house with an Xbox and actually showing you how it works.
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it's two games, not three. there is no line demarcating modern warfare and warzone -- the game doesn't let you play modern warfare without also installing warzone. they've segregated the different data packs into warzone, campaign, multiplayer, specops, and survival, but the warzone pack is required no matter what.
at least you can play warzone/mw without BOCW though.
That is a diffrent thing. That the reason the game is big in the first place. What I mean is that PS4 need more free space when Installing games or Updates. When game gets a 20GB Patch you need at least 40GB free on your PS4. From my expirience when I get an 20GB Update on Xbox I only need the 20GB free.
So why not set up a team focused on trimming it?
There is clearly issues here. Activision is a big enough company to afford fixing this mess.
There is clearly issues here. Activision is a big enough company to afford fixing this mess.
It isn't the same. On Xbox (or Switch, for that matter), you just need the free space your actual download requires.
This is an issue nobody else has, and people have been asking Sony to change it for years now.
Let's not act like Call of Duty file sizes are the norm. Even if PS5 shipped with 1TB, that barely improves anything.
It's pretty clever. CoD fans will simply be unable to ever migrate to another GaaS. Of course it's deterring more casual fans, but I assume these don't bring in the extra recurring investments.
Honestly even beyond the file size the implementation is dog shit, randomy my xbox will stop recognizing I own Modern Warfare (physical, even though I own the disk) to the point i need to reboot it and hope i don't have to reinstall which ive done in the past.
Tying all the titles together feels less about asset sharing, more about making a fake ass COD hub when you sign on advertising for the other games. No reason me, as just a Modern Warfare owner, has to deal with a whole game launch process that's all about selling me on their new title until I manually select Modern Warfare. Bitch, the game i want to play is in the disk drive, why are you telling me to purchase Cold War?
Tying all the titles together feels less about asset sharing, more about making a fake ass COD hub when you sign on advertising for the other games. No reason me, as just a Modern Warfare owner, has to deal with a whole game launch process that's all about selling me on their new title until I manually select Modern Warfare. Bitch, the game i want to play is in the disk drive, why are you telling me to purchase Cold War?
I guess this is true but the patch copying process on PS4 makes it much worse than what it is now on PS5 since the PS4 recopies the entire game to apply the patch.
Yes, I'm confused too. The screenshots are from a PS5 but the article talks about the 500Go of a PS4.
I suspect this is a case of Activision being well aware of the issue but not really caring. I'm sure they have created a budget for how much money it would take to improve the issue, but they also believe that doing so wouldn't cause them to sell any more games than they already are. In Activision's mind, if an investment doesn't earn money, it's not worth doing.
They'll make a change when they are forced to, and not a second earlier.
Remember, Activision is run by Bobby Kotick, a guy who doesn't give a shit about gaming whatsoever. This is all about the money for him. It always has been.
They'll make a change when they are forced to, and not a second earlier.
Remember, Activision is run by Bobby Kotick, a guy who doesn't give a shit about gaming whatsoever. This is all about the money for him. It always has been.
Actually, some are. Hitman 3 - inclusive of all the next gen upgrades and all of Hitman 1 & 2 - is smaller on PS5 than Hitman 2 is. Doesn't the remastered version of Spider-Man also take up less space than the PS4 game?
The PS5 version of Black Ops also takes up less space on my PS5 than MW does, although admittedly that MW installation does include Warzone.
Its true with control and the spider man remaster as well
Cold War (without Warzone) is bigger than Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima, Destruction AllStars & Astro's Playroom combined on my PS5.
This is an extreme case that needs to be addressed - especially on a yearly release cycle with a popular Battle Royale add-on using huge assets from a previous game.
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User warned: Console war rhetoric
Yep. My initial statement was this won't be the case for games designed with the SSD in mind.
Again, if the file you're modifying is inside a chunk that needs to remain contiguous, shifting things around is necessary. Maybe Xbox defers it later and does it during down time (like rest mode) and more efficiently (it's not always needed but maybe PS4 systematically does it while Xbox only does it when it's actually needed), but seek times are seek times.
Yep. Won't be replying further. You don't have to come to my house, but if you can answer this you can convince me: let's say you have 5 GB of data, representing a city block in an open world game. It has to be contiguous at all times to be loaded wholesale into memory. Let's say at the 2GB mark begins a 40MB file that needs an update which will modify its size. You can find partial solutions (not modifying the initial file and finding free blocks after the 5GB chunk and appending it there, or if the file is smaller now you replace it and pad the remaining space with zeros), but no general solution. The simpler answer, which seems to be what Sony does on the PS4, is to rebuild the whole thing again.
My point still stands, this is irrelevant on new gen hardware because of the SSDs. If you play in BC then no improvements in this regard, but games built on engines specifically for this gen will be different in patches.
Not talking about asset duplication.
Switch doesn't use a HDD so it's not relevant to the conversation.
That's it. Last reply. I might be wrong. I feel like it's turned into a veiled console war and I don't care enough to respond any further.
Uninstalling Warzone is by far the easiest thing out of this, given it's a separate game.
Sounds about right. I uninstalled Modern Warfare since the only maps I like are Shipment & Shoot House and that playlist isn't permanent. Freed up close to 200GB of space.
Why should we get worried about 7 years old and soon to be phased out consoles running recent games?
I'd be more worried about the 364GB available space on the brand new XSS. Those 3 games are not even fitting (or barely?) in that console today and that machine is supposed to last 7 more years.
I'd be more worried about the 364GB available space on the brand new XSS. Those 3 games are not even fitting (or barely?) in that console today and that machine is supposed to last 7 more years.
It is modular so you don't have to install everything. I believe it is split into multiple modes and you can only install the ones you want to play.
Literally had to give up playing CoD just so I could actually play other videogames. Its literally you play CoD or play nothing else at all. If I took something else out of my HDD its because I wasn't playing it, But in this case it was constantly bloating itself to the point where it made it impossible for other games to update.
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At this point Activision should just make their own 'Console of Duty' that only plays Call of Duty.
I know, but this problem only exists if you want Black Ops and Warzone / Modern Warfare at the same time. Warzone itself doesn't add that much space to MW.
No, i has nothing to do with HDD vs SSD, because sony does the same on PS5, the difference is on PS5, the copying process is faster because it has an ssd, but it is the same as PS4, it duplicates the game files, applies the patch and then deletes the unpatched existing game. Xbox just download the patch and applies it ln the run, that's why you can't play the game while an update is downloading, because game files are beign modified in the process.
My gaming group and I wanted to play multiplayer buy there was an 18 gig update so that was out. The files sizes are already untenable.
What the fuck is in an 18 gig update??
What the fuck is in an 18 gig update??
At this point in the games lifetime you've probably decided to play one or the other who has full installs of both on their drives. At worst you have this stuff installed
-MP Cold War
-Zombies
-MP MW
-Warzone
And none of this stuff
-Spec Ops (lol)
-Dead Ops Arcade
-Campaign MW
-Campaign Cold War
Cold War should get a couple more seasons of support before the new COD comes out so at that point are you playing all three games? Are they really that good. If your grinding out guns your likely doing that throughout the year or in the 50 vs 50 warzone playlists. You gotta be a serious hardcore meta COD player to be jumping through essentially the current 3 games.
-MP Cold War
-Zombies
-MP MW
-Warzone
And none of this stuff
-Spec Ops (lol)
-Dead Ops Arcade
-Campaign MW
-Campaign Cold War
Cold War should get a couple more seasons of support before the new COD comes out so at that point are you playing all three games? Are they really that good. If your grinding out guns your likely doing that throughout the year or in the 50 vs 50 warzone playlists. You gotta be a serious hardcore meta COD player to be jumping through essentially the current 3 games.
We're talking about a PS4 game, designed for mechanical HDDs though....
OK, you need to spell out what you think is happening when files are written to a disk. Say a game added 100+ textures in a patch. They may be individual files, they may be new entries in a single archive file that already exists.
Neither platform guarantees (to my knowledge) that individual files will be next to each other on the disc platters or next to each other in the filesystem itself. A single file containing multiple files as binary data will be a continuous file to the game and read into memory just fine but it's actual data will be spread across the platters and sectors.
There will absolutely be some speed difference depending on which platter and sector the file system chunks are stored on and how much seeking needs to happen, but that's how disk based file systems have worked for a long time. The key thing to remember is that a single file as we see it is actually spread across the disk (I worked on a tool to read the Xbox 360 file system so sadly have a little more experience reading filesystems than I'd care to remember).
Contiguous data layout on the disk sectors is preferred not required.
Having everything chunk of data next to each other on the disk is nice, the reality is that steaming systems can accommodate data being loaded at variable speeds because the disk based systems cannot guarantee exact data retrieval times due to fragmentation and game usage of the files themselves.
The Sony process protects against file corruption, it likely results in some files being contiguous on the platter, and I think this is where we're struggling. You assume that the Xbox requires files to be contiguous on the underlying disk structure. Can you please provide evidence that this is required.
We're talking about a PS4 game on the PS4. You are 100% wrong about the Xbox needing 107GB free space to apply a 15GB patch, I promise you. This isn't console warring, just people telling you that your assumption about how a system - that you don't own - works is wrong.
The fastest way to unlock attachments is through multiplayer, especially if the attachment (or the gun itself) is tied to a challenge like "get 3 sliding kills in 25 matches with SMGs". Warzone pulls content from both games, too, so if you're an active player that wants to unlock stuff from both pools, it's honestly the most time efficient to have all three on your console.
Totally ridiculous, but what are we gonna do? If people keep buying the games, why should they worry about it.
How about letting me uninstall Warzone and all junk related to that. I just want to play Modern Warfare