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dodmaster

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i think microsoft will look to make some new studio acquisitions under the bethesda name now. they've expanded XGS a lot and adding even more might make it hard to manage.
I don't think there will be new acquisitions into that publishing arm, but I think there might be a 'doubling-up' of some existing studios, if there's scope for that.
 

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Marano

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Wait, but that is illegal!

Seriously, why did they approve this?

They should know this acquisition gives MS a monopoly over the RPG genre.

This should never have been allowed to go through.

Edit: Also did we just get a simmilar thread feature today I wasnt aware of?
 
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I'm really excited to see how this impacts the studios. Especially Arkane, just give them all the money and let them go buck wild lol.
 

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I don't think there will be new acquisitions into that publishing arm, but I think there might be a 'doubling-up' of some existing studios, if there's scope for that.
i don't see why not. zenimax has been pretty active in buying or setting up new studios (alpha dog, roundhouse games, zenimax online san diego all since 2019), i don't see that stopping once they're a microsoft subsidiary.

expanding the existing teams will of course happen as well.
 

Taurus

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Urgh... Then they can shut down for all I care.
I'm not paying 30 euros for indie games and some 1st party games.
Game Pass has 18 million subscribers so that's 18 million dollars income per month. We know this ain't sustainable, so they'll want to get even asap, like in a year.

So 7 500 000 000 : 18 000 000 : 12 = 34,7 dollars per user per month. I'm an economics expert so I bet they'll announce the new subscribtion price as soon as today.
 

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Welcome to the family! Exciting future ahead for both Xbox and Bethesda.
 

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Game Pass has 18 million subscribers so that's 18 million dollars incone per month. We know this ain't sustainable, so they'll want to get even asap, like in a year.

So 7 500 000 000 : 18 000 000 : 12 = 34,7 dollars per user per month. I'm an economics expert so I bet they'll announce the new subscribtion price as soon as today.

Wow, you must be one hell of a funny guy. Respect, man.
 

Doctor_Thomas

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The EU are just Microsoft fanboys.

I'm glad the UK has left the EU where this won't be approved.

/s
 

Grunty

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Game Pass has 18 million subscribers so that's 18 million dollars income per month. We know this ain't sustainable, so they'll want to get even asap, like in a year.

So 7 500 000 000 : 18 000 000 : 12 = 34,7 dollars per user per month. I'm an economics expert so I bet they'll announce the new subscribtion price as soon as today.

No.That would be $270 million per month, at the current Ultimate cost of $15/month per user.
 
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Wait, but that is illegal!

Seriously, why did they approve this?

They should know this acquisition gives MS a monopoly over the RPG genre.

This should never have been allowed to go through.

Edit: Also did we just get a simmilar thread feature today I wasnt aware of?
There are still a ton of RPG studios out there and new ones release almost every other month, just check out Steam. In fact they literally have no footprint in the Japanese RPG scene so they can't really dominate the space when half the RPGs don't even come to Xbox.
 

Gowans

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Looing forward to seeing the MS release on this one, we can all guess but I think MS will fund and continue to let Bethesda do what it does so well with little interfearence as long as it's now aligned to the Xbox and Game Pass strategy, like they have with other studios.

It's interesting as the hardware is constrained and selling 100% of units they can push on PC and Cloud where there isn't the limitations right now and as the new releases come in it will be interesting to see where they land in the lifespans of the platforms.


As for the Game Pass price stuff, it will go up as all subscriptions do but I can't see it happening for a while (especially as people are locked into the price for 2 years with all access). What I do see is a family plan coming to allow game & cloud access over the 1 licence for console and 1 licence per account.
 

Avantgarde

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It would be amazing if Bethesda announced that it now had the security and scope to expand its number of studios/ IPs. People are looking at the size of Bethesda now, but most of Xbox's existing acquisitions have vastly increased their headcount since joining.
My dream is MS staffing up BGS until they can multitask at least 2 titles in parallel with two separate teams (TES and Fallout). Waiting 12-15 years between installments is not nice, and now that Starfield enters the equation won't make it any easier.
 

Roytheone

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I know you're kinda joking with this ... but i would be so damn stoked if MS would make another, good Commander Keen game. Not that mobile stuff that's on the menu ...

This is my childhood ... okaay, a part of it.

I would already be stoked with a nice HD remake of Secret of the oracle. That game was the first game I ever played so it will always have a special place for me!
 

Raigor

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My dream is MS staffing up BGS until they can multitask at least 2 titles in parallel with two separate teams (TES and Fallout). Waiting 12-15 years between installments is not nice, and now that Starfield enters the equation won't make it any easier.

They started doing that after Fallout 4.

As of this year they have 4 BGS studios and over 400 employees.
 

Raxious

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Curious when MS is going to announce their release plans for upcoming Bethesda games. Guessing they want to do that sooner rather than later. Still not a fan of this acquisition and what it means for us gamers, but hey grats to MS I guess.
 

Gay Bowser

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As for the Game Pass price stuff, it will go up as all subscriptions do but I can't see it happening for a while (especially as people are locked into the price for 2 years with all access). What I do see is a family plan coming to allow game & cloud access over the 1 licence for console and 1 licence per account.

I think Game Pass Ultimate will be $15/month for a while, but I think they'll do things like de-emphasize the $10 tier. Like, maybe they rebrand that to "Game Pass Basic" or something. And yeah, a family plan for $20 or so seems like a lock.

The other thing I see them doing is offering more services to Game Pass subscribers as a bundle. Like, if they launched a music streaming service (again) for $10/month but bundled it with Game Pass Ultimate for $20/month, that's a savings that might inspire some Game Pass users to choose it over Apple Music or Spotify. That's the thing companies love about subscriptions: once you have people subscribed for one thing it's easier to get them to subscribe to another thing.
 

Boogolo

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It would be amazing if Bethesda announced that it now had the security and scope to expand its number of studios/ IPs. People are looking at the size of Bethesda now, but most of Xbox's existing acquisitions have vastly increased their headcount since joining.
I think that's already started. Skullzi had a video a couple of months after the acquisition was announced where he was showing zenimax had something like 170 new positions available. A lot are with the online side but there were still plenty across the other studios
 

PianoBlack

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The other thing I see them doing is offering more services to Game Pass subscribers as a bundle. Like, if they launched a music streaming service (again) for $10/month but bundled it with Game Pass Ultimate for $20/month, that's a savings that might inspire some Game Pass users to choose it over Apple Music or Spotify. That's the thing companies love about subscriptions: once you have people subscribed for one thing it's easier to get them to subscribe to another thing.

Now I just miss Zune Music Pass. Back when subscribing for music was considered totally ridiculous, everyone knows you buy songs for $0.99 each from iTunes!

(I agree with your point but I have no idea what they could even bundle anymore, since they've killed pretty much all their consumer services outside Xbox and personal copies of Office.)
 

Taurus

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If they don't make a video of Master Chief and Doom guy bump fists then I don't know why they are paying their PR team anything!
 

GrrImAFridge

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I'm most curious about the following:

- Whether Microsoft will overrule Bethesda on relisting Prey06, Quake Wars, and Wolf09
- Whether Microsoft sees enough value in Quake Champions' plateaued popularity to commit to another season of the Quake Pro League
- How long it'll be until the Bethnet client (not the service itself) is killed off
 

Gay Bowser

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(I agree with your point but I have no idea what they could even bundle anymore, since they've killed pretty much all their consumer services outside Xbox and personal copies of Office.)

Well, now they have Game Pass. They can use it like a Trojan horse to deliver more services on top of it. I'm sure that's the goal, long-term. Their pitch will be, sure, you could just subscribe to Game Pass for $15/mo, or you can subscribe to Microsoft One for $20/month and get Game Pass and Music Pass and OneCloud storage and...

They definitely had the worse timing ever in killing off Groove Music Pass, though. They killed it off just before Game Pass started to take off.
 

Edward850

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Whether Microsoft will overrule Bethesda on relisting Prey06, Quake Wars, and Wolf09
Prey 06 is already listed for 360 and available on back compat. In fact it was never delisted there.

You might be confusing the situation with the PC version, in which it wasn't so much delisted as it was literally sold out; 2K games ran out of CD keys and due to how it ended up on Steam (it was originally made for a competing store front that completely melted, resulting in a rather hasty transition) they seemingly lost the ability to generate any more.
 
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erlim

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I'm most curious about the following:

- Whether Microsoft will overrule Bethesda on relisting Prey06, Quake Wars, and Wolf09
- Whether Microsoft sees enough value in Quake Champions' plateaued popularity to commit to another season of the Quake Pro League
- How long it'll be until the Bethnet client (not the service itself) is killed off

Aren't they kind of letting Bethesda/Zenimax work autonomously? I mean exclusively for the Xbox and window platforms, for sure, but it's like how disney lets Kevin Feige run marvel?
 

GrrImAFridge

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Prey 06 is already listed for 360 and available on back compat. In fact it was never delisted there.

Right, but it was never put back up on Steam following publishing rights reverting to ZeniMax (ditto for Quake Wars and Wolf09), and when Pete Hines was about this on Twitter a few years ago, he claimed there were "technical issues technical enough to be a problem". All three games run just fine on modern systems, however, so the prevailing theory is that Hines' comment simply referred to Bethesda's inability to remove unnecessary mentions of 2K/Activision, particularly as that's exactly what Bethesda did when it re-released Quake 4.

You might be confusing the situation with the PC version, in which it wasn't so much delisted as it was literally sold out; 2K games ran out of CD keys and due to how it ended up on Steam (it was originally made for a competing store front that completely melted, resulting in a rather hasty transition) they seemingly lost the ability to generate any more.

That's why the game was removed from sale but not why it was delisted altogether. The key requirement is just a basic id Tech DRM thing; the game used the same Master Server-based multiplayer system as id's own games (past tense as the MS is no longer online).
 
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Aren't they kind of letting Bethesda/Zenimax work autonomously? I mean exclusively for the Xbox and window platforms, for sure, but it's like how disney lets Kevin Feige run marvel?
We don't know, but probably not. In all likelihood, Matt Booty will run XGS and someone (maybe Pete Hines) will run Bethesda, but both report to Phil.
 

GrrImAFridge

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Aren't they kind of letting Bethesda/Zenimax work autonomously? I mean exclusively for the Xbox and window platforms, for sure, but it's like how disney lets Kevin Feige run marvel?

I believe that's just something people have assumed due to Microsoft creating a subsidiary specifically to complete the purchase. AFAIK, Spencer hasn't said whether ZeniMax will have operational independence.
 
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