Yeah, pretty much. Adding to that, all flights only crossing UK airspace (e.g., from the continent to Ireland or Iceland) are pretty much impossible now.UK ban will murder this plane. No action at Heathrow takes out a ton of Europeans and US flights
That's the thing . If it's pilot error due to not understanding the changes or checklist, the action should still be to ground those pilots flying the MAX until they get into a simulator and get certified to fly that plane with these changes.Yeah, pretty much. Adding to that, all flights only crossing UK airspace (e.g., from the continent to Ireland or Iceland) are pretty much impossible now.
Even if the problem is due to improper training of pilots and only happens in freak cases, Boeing better prepare a more solid answer than "We'll have a software update in April maybe".
The MCAS system does interact with the autotrim. However, I was mostly referring to KHarvey16 and his assumption that the pilots would hear the runaway trim by arguing that the trim goes off so much its hard to distinguish a failure.
How long does that checklist take to work through? And how long do you have to react in that situation when just taking off and your altitude may be just a few thousand feet at most?
And really, the simple fact is that such a checklist shouldn't need to be referenced this frequently.
This article seems to indicate that the MCAS does not make it easier to control, but to make the 737 MAX flight envelop more like the 737 NG. It seems the 737 NG is able to achieve higher AoA, thus the MCAS forces the 737 MAX to lower the AoA in case it nears stall angles.
It almost seems that they neared stall angle, or what the faulty AoA indicated, the MCAS forced the plane to decrease the AoA by trim and the pilots kept trying to get the AoA up. In the end they ended up in a dive.
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The German government is a joke. Again.
"One should not draw quick conclusions if you don't know what caused the crash. You can't just impose bans. In the end you need a piece of evidence."
Could they change the engines to improve the stability of the aircraft?
Definitely but they will wait as long as possible because lol at a company admitting that something is wrong and disappointing shareholders.Boeing needs to ground these planes. Country after country banning them is not a good look for them.
As a precautionary measure, EASA has published today an Airworthiness Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all flight operations of all Boeing Model 737-8 MAX and 737-9 MAX aeroplanes in Europe. In addition EASA has published a Safety Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all commercial flights performed by third-country operators into, within or out of the EU of the above mentioned models.
The chart the NYT is updating still shows AirDubai as flying it, but I see a couple articles hitting in the part hour that say AirDubai is grounding their Max 8s as well.
Weren't recent "eyewitness" reports indicating that the plane was smoking and streaming debris? Could be hearsay, but I swear I read that is what the farmer who's field it was reported.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-witnesses-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
Airline pilots on at least two flights have reported that an automated system seemed to cause their Boeing planes to tilt down suddenly, the same problem suspected of contributing to a deadly crash in Indonesia.
The pilots said that soon after engaging the autopilot on Boeing 737 Max 8 planes, the nose tilted down sharply. In both cases, they recovered quickly after disconnecting the autopilot.
There's no such thing as a 737-8. Confusingly enough, there's a 737 Max 8, and 737-800..
Airline pilots on at least two flights have reported that an automated system seemed to cause their Boeing planes to tilt down suddenly, the same problem suspected of contributing to a deadly crash in Indonesia. The pilots said that soon after engaging the autopilot on Boeing 737 Max 8 planes, the nose tilted down sharply. In both cases, they recovered quickly after disconnecting the autopilot.
In one report, an airline captain said that immediately after putting the plane on autopilot, the co-pilot called out "Descending," followed by an audio cockpit warning, "Don't sink, don't sink!"
Cool, wonder if anyone shit their pants yet. Sounds like a good way to give the crew a fucking heart attack.
As described by the pilots, however, the problem did not appear related to a new automated anti-stall system that is suspected of contributing to a deadly October crash in Indonesia.
Cool, wonder if anyone shit their pants yet. Sounds like a good way to give the crew a fucking heart attack.
Wow if a Max crashes again because of America not grounding them it will be a mess i have never seen before airplane-wise.
I mean, of course despite the panic the Max isn't an automatically crashing machine. Chances are it won't crash as the overwhelming majority of its flights haven't. But it can happen, at the very least like it can with any other plane, and that would be madness.