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Ethiopian Airlines: Boeing 737 crashes on way to Kenya (UP: No survivors)
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Yeah, pretty much. Adding to that, all flights only crossing UK airspace (e.g., from the continent to Ireland or Iceland) are pretty much impossible now.
Even if the problem is due to improper training of pilots and only happens in freak cases, Boeing better prepare a more solid answer than "We'll have a software update in April maybe".
That's the thing . If it's pilot error due to not understanding the changes or checklist, the action should still be to ground those pilots flying the MAX until they get into a simulator and get certified to fly that plane with these changes.
The MCAS routine will trim for 10 seconds straight every 5 seconds. And it trims the nose down, so there is literally no way not to know it's happening.
It has like 3 steps and takes seconds. Turn off autopilot; check if it's fixed. If not, turn off auto throttle and hit the cutout switch for the stabilizer trim. If that doesn't work, grab the trim wheel and hold it still.
The routine trims for 10 seconds with a 5 second pause at half speed. It's plenty of time since it can't even start until the flaps are up.
From what I can gather the FAA mandated Boeing put the software in to make the plane easier to nose over at low speed. The amount of force on the stick was slightly too high, so the MCAS routine trims it nose down just a bit to make it easier. It's not really a stability issue or anything. You can fly the plane with the whole thing off.
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Definitely but they will wait as long as possible because lol at a company admitting that something is wrong and disappointing shareholders.
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Latest Canadian comment: Transport Minister Marc Garneau says he still has no plans to ground the country's fleet of Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft or close our airspace, despite the decisions announced by the U.K., Germany, France and Ireland to do so.
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11:36 AM - Mar 12, 2019
Latest Canadian comment: Transport Minister Marc Garneau says he still has no plans to ground the country's fleet of Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft or close our airspace, despite the decisions announced by the U.K., Germany, France and Ireland to do so.
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11:36 AM - Mar 12, 2019
North American airlines will be naturally more inclined to keep the planes flying but it comes at a risk. Also there will be a lot of consumer pressure as people gonna start panicking about that plane and not wanting to take it. Whatever the outcome, Boeing should wish for the investigation and conclusions to come out as swiftly as possible, in order to proper respond and start moving on.
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Looks like the US and Canada are the only places where the 737 MAX 8 isn't grounded or outright banned from their respective airspace outside of less than a dozen from small carriers.
Southwest, American Airlines, Air Canada, and WestJet are still flying the MAX 8. The chart the NYT is updating still shows FlyDubai as flying it, but I see a couple articles hitting in the part hour that say FlyDubai is grounding their Max 8s as well.
I wonder how long the carriers in the US and Canada will push forward.
Southwest, American Airlines, Air Canada, and WestJet are still flying the MAX 8. The chart the NYT is updating still shows FlyDubai as flying it, but I see a couple articles hitting in the part hour that say FlyDubai is grounding their Max 8s as well.
I wonder how long the carriers in the US and Canada will push forward.
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Weren't recent "eyewitness" reports indicating that the plane was smoking and streaming debris? Could be hearsay, but I swear I read that is what the farmer who's field it was reported.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-witnesses-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-witnesses-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
I remember there was one report. It would certainly require a different explanation than (or one in addition to) runaway stabilizer trim if it turned out to be accurate. Eyewitness accounts can be dicey though.
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It's basically just North American airlines left on that NYT chart atm:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/11/world/boeing-737-max-which-airlines.html
There's no such thing as a 737-8. Confusingly enough, there's a 737 Max 8, and 737-800..
The MAX series includes the 737-8 and 737-9. Later there will be the 737-7 and 737-10 as well.
MCAS doesn't work with the autopilot on, so that's something else.
India also officially grounds the Max
https://indianexpress.com/article/b...-in-wake-of-ethiopian-airlines-crash-5623345/
https://indianexpress.com/article/b...-in-wake-of-ethiopian-airlines-crash-5623345/
Cool, wonder if anyone shit their pants yet. Sounds like a good way to give the crew a fucking heart attack.
It can't be the same problem suspected in Indonesia because MCAS turns off if autopilot is on.
I wonder how common this sort of report is. I have to imagine this sort of thing happens more often than people think, but everybody is super sensitive to anything regarding the 737 Max right now.
yeah the news is going to report anything that happens.
Pilots deal with all sorts of stuff. Varying conditions, wind, maintenance issues etc. That's why they are there. I mean, read the full article and the plane immediately alerted them and they fixed it. It's not related to the Indonesia incident, and even then you're talking a descent rate of 1200-1500 ft per minute, which is a high descent rate but isn't like plummeting to earth.
(also like 2 instances in that NASA database in what, like 40,000-50,000 North American flights? Southwest has flown 30k+ MAX flights already).
Pilots deal with all sorts of stuff. Varying conditions, wind, maintenance issues etc. That's why they are there. I mean, read the full article and the plane immediately alerted them and they fixed it. It's not related to the Indonesia incident, and even then you're talking a descent rate of 1200-1500 ft per minute, which is a high descent rate but isn't like plummeting to earth.
(also like 2 instances in that NASA database in what, like 40,000-50,000 North American flights? Southwest has flown 30k+ MAX flights already).
American (and Canadian) airlines are still flying them anyway, so that doesn't really matter, right?
Wow if a Max crashes again because of America not grounding them it will be a mess i have never seen before airplane-wise.
I mean, of course despite the panic the Max isn't an automatically crashing machine. Chances are it won't crash as the overwhelming majority of its flights haven't. But it can happen, at the very least like it can with any other plane, and that would be madness.
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