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C-Drive

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Oct 26, 2017
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Damn this is just like something out of Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel, often published as 1984, a dystopian social science fiction novel by English novelist George Orwell. It was published on 8 June 1949 by Secker & Warburg as Orwell's ninth and final book completed in his lifetime. Thematically, Nineteen Eighty-Four centres on the consequences of totalitarianism, mass surveillance, and repressive regimentation of persons and behaviours within society. Orwell, himself a democratic socialist, modelled the authoritarian government in the novel after Stalinist Russia. More broadly, the novel examines the role of truth and facts within politics and the ways in which they are manipulated.

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May 19, 2020
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hey lois remember the time i was DMCA'd by author ernest cline, writer of the Ready Player One series of novels?
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Shes not reviewing the book, just shitting on it. Fair Use for reviews only extends to crafting thoughts of the overall quality of the book. This is the equivalent of shitty cinema sins but in twitter form and not akin to say the newyorker reviewing a book or a paper reviewing a movie.

Both her and kline and get fucked.
 

CHC

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,246
I mean I love laughing at the book as much as the next person, I was just doing it yesterday, but these aren't reviews and it isn't really fair use if I'm being objective about it. They can say it's a review but the reality is that it's a person on Twitter posting full paragraphs or even pages with the explicit purpose of laughing at and making fun of it.

Again it's a fun time but in this case I can't really blame him for not wanting that out there, hilariously bad writing quality aside.
 

Deleted member 17207

user requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
7,208
Shes not reviewing the book, just shitting on it. Fair Use for reviews only extends to crafting thoughts of the overall quality of the book. This is the equivalent of shitty cinema sins but in twitter form and not akin to say the newyorker reviewing a book or a paper reviewing a movie.

Both her and kline and get fucked.
This is sort of how I feel as well. Criticism is one thing, but this reads like someone being filled with joy from shitting on someone else's work. "Just you wait, I saved some good stuff for my actual review." It's one thing to fairly judge something for being bad, it's another to point and laugh.
 

The_R3medy

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Jan 22, 2018
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Wisconsin
I think he's within his right here. I think she's also within her right to review it (obviously), but I've never seen a book's contents just photographed like that for the sake of a review before.
 
May 19, 2020
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This is sort of how I feel as well. Criticism is one thing, but this reads like someone being filled with joy from shitting on someone else's work. "Just you wait, I saved some good stuff for my actual review." It's one thing to fairly judge something for being bad, it's another to point and laugh.
Look if there's one thing to point and laugh at though it's Reddit the Novelization Part 2
 
Oct 26, 2017
12,541
UK
Shes not reviewing the book, just shitting on it. Fair Use for reviews only extends to crafting thoughts of the overall quality of the book. This is the equivalent of shitty cinema sins but in twitter form and not akin to say the newyorker reviewing a book or a paper reviewing a movie.

Both her and kline and get fucked.

Nah, just cline can
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Never thought I'd defend Ernest friggin Cline but... this is almost certainly the publisher, not him. I don't even know why you'd jump to that conclusion.
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
1,697
There is a tacit agreement between professional reviewers and creatives to be friendly with each other. These twitter threads are not reviews.
You dont see people the week a movie comes out using handy cam footage of the movie to not say anything other than look at how bad this is which is equivalent of this.

The terribleness of the base product does not give people extrajudicial rights to pirate it to show how bad it is.
 
Oct 26, 2017
12,541
UK
There is a tacit agreement between professional reviewers and creatives to be friendly with each other. These twitter threads are not reviews.
You dont see people the week a movie comes out using handy cam footage of the movie to not say anything other than look at how bad this is which is equivalent of this.

The terribleness of the base product does not give people extrajudicial rights to pirate it to show how bad it is.

Yeah I get it, but pirating his trash book doesn't deserve "get fucked" imo.

Its getting taken down, thats enough.
 

Billfisto

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Oct 30, 2017
14,911
Canada
She should just write a "novel" that clumsily references extended paragraphs from his shitty book.

Did the people who own the rights to Voltron or The Delorean or Adventure or anything get any money from him shamelessly using their works in his little venture?
 

NekoFever

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Oct 25, 2017
4,009
Just imagine how I felt. I had to suffer through the time when a fair number of people actually liked this dreck.
There was a time when it was getting widely praised and recommended, including on GAF at the time. I know because I bought it as one of my first Kindle books on the fervency of those recommendations.

Reading it was a real crazy pills moment, like in Zoolander, the 2001 comedy film written, directed by and starring Ben Stiller.
 

Fhtagn

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Oct 25, 2017
5,615
There is a tacit agreement between professional reviewers and creatives to be friendly with each other. These twitter threads are not reviews.
You dont see people the week a movie comes out using handy cam footage of the movie to not say anything other than look at how bad this is which is equivalent of this.

The terribleness of the base product does not give people extrajudicial rights to pirate it to show how bad it is.

Paragraph or sentence long excerpts with direct commentary on those excerpts is not even remotely piracy.

And critics have trashed genre fiction in harsher terms than these forever.
 

Watership

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Oct 27, 2017
3,113
RPO was a badly written, mildly entertaining in parts, book. I didn't love it. What I don't understand is the grouphate that surrounds the author.
 

noinspiration

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Jun 22, 2020
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I am inclined to agree with the idea that this does not come off written as someone who is actually passionate about these subjects, but rather someone who skimmed a Wikipedia article. Most of the references are surface level stuff and nobody talks about their favorite games or movies like this! Nobody says "This reminds me of Die Hard, my favorite movie, which came out in 1988, released by 20th Century Fox."

It's the way the main character of American Psycho would write if he was a nerd.
 

Chumunga64

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Jun 22, 2018
14,230
Imagine being the kind of poster that says shit like "ernest cline lives rent free in some people's heads."

Fucking lol, fuck ernest cline.

There were some weirdos in the original thread saying shit like this. It was apparent they were fans of the book and were mad that they were getting made fun of but they couldn't admit it and went "you should focus your energy on things you like instead of wasting time!"
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
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LOL

Relatedly, here are a few quotes where the hero talks about how he used to be a huge asshole who would silence his critics and how he eventually stopped doing that and grew and became better, just to revisit the "was anything actually learned" theme Excited for these to go down
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Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just going off the letter of the fair use law. But please keep attacking me.
Could you explain how you came to that conclusion though? Like I'm genuinely curious because I'm probably wrong but afaik fair use very explicitly protects reviews and criticism and it doesn't specify "unless it's on Twitter."
 

Deleted member 17184

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am inclined to agree with the idea that this does not come off written as someone who is actually passionate about these subjects, but rather someone who skimmed a Wikipedia article. Most of the references are surface level stuff and nobody talks about their favorite games or movies like this! Nobody says "This reminds me of Die Hard, my favorite movie, which came out in 1988, released by 20th Century Fox."
You mean that doesn't make you think that multiple sequels to Die Hard were released, also by 20th Century Fox, who is now owned by Disney and their content is now on Disney+?
 

Inugami

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shes not reviewing the book, just shitting on it. Fair Use for reviews only extends to crafting thoughts of the overall quality of the book. This is the equivalent of shitty cinema sins but in twitter form and not akin to say the newyorker reviewing a book or a paper reviewing a movie.

Both her and kline and get fucked.

No it doesn't... Fair use is fair use, it's not limited to reviews, or even parody. Any use can be free use as long as it's transformative and doesn't compete directly with the original item/book/movie.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is cut and dry fair use, and I hope she challenges it. Though I imagine she'll let it go as not worth it. I'm sick of seeing the DMCA being abused like this.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Ernest Cline is literature's equivalent to Rob Liefield. They should make something together. The epic shittyness of that project would probably warp the fabric of the universe itself.

I didn't make it more than five pages into RPO before I felt like throwing up. I did however read the similarly awful wannabe nerd epic Jpod by Douglas Coupland, which was awful to begin with and then started including Douglas Coupland himself as a supporting character. At least RPO doesn't have Ernest Cline himself turn up to save the main character... right?
 
Jul 24, 2020
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RPO was crap.

But I don't know about Laura Hudson's tweeting though. Isn't she a professional critic? What the heck... is she doing?

Mate Twitter fame has got to get to some people heads unfortunately.
 

Tom_Cody

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Oct 28, 2017
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I still don't understand the hate mob around ready player one. I thought it was benign fun.

Shrug

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Pall Mall

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jokes quotes from the books are so fucking funny. Can't even tell some apart from the dogshit writing.
 

Laser Ramon

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Oct 28, 2017
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RPO was crap.

But I don't know about Laura Hudson's tweeting though. Isn't she a professional critic? What the heck... is she doing?

Mate Twitter fame has got to get to some people heads unfortunately.
I'm sure her first thought seeing the passages in the book was "I'm going to get so fucking twitter famous, I can't wait"
 

KDR_11k

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Nov 10, 2017
5,235
That fall under "Fair Use"

"Criticism and commentary: For example, quoting or excerpting a work in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment would normally be fair use. A book reviewer would be permitted to quote passages from a book in a newspaper column as part of an examination of the book."

Fair Use is one of those balance of multiple factors tests, this might be considered too much reproduction or it might not. Depends a lot on the judge you get.
 

iksenpets

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Oct 26, 2017
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I get the criticism but I've been seeing whole passages on Twitter. That feels weird.

Quoting whole passages is pretty standard literary criticism. A long review in a magazine or something could easily have several of those exact passages included as block quotes. As long as she's not dumping the text without commentary, or providing a full chapter or something that that it's almost the exact situation fair use was made to protect.