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"Erdogan and Pence reach a deal to suspend Turkish incursion in Northern Syria"
- Thread starter DonaldKimball
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This isn't a solution, it's Turkey and US demanding that the YPG surrender. This shit is gonna be rejected and 120 hours from now Turkey will continue its invasion but this time with verbal US support.
It also just shows how extremely easy it is to push the Trump administration around which is just awful.
I think it might be part of some sort of clandestine agreement. Like... a soft transition of power. Regardless, if Trump is still around following the November elections this year, then I'll probably just dismiss any chance of him looking for an exit before the election. However, that's a crucial period to keep an eye on. Might explain some of these bizarre actions all blatantly in his benefactor's benefit. Like he's paying a debt or something before it's too late. Also this is pure conspiracy but maybe this is why they would announce G7 location now so he can appropriate money for renovations now before it's too late. Regardless, Pence has been stepping up a lot this month, in particular, he is doing a lot of foreign policy appearances while Trump cancels them more and more. Might just be a coincidence, though, as I am not well informed on how these things work.
I don't think any kind of deal would have been made without the YPG agreeing to the terms.
You won't have to wait 120 hours it's going to be clear by tonight that literally nothing has changed and the conflict remains ongoing.
You're right, there is no deal...
Because the YPG are not agreeing to the terms.
Or Syria, at the end is still their territory. Doubt both Assad and the Kurds are ok with this. Specially with giving their weapons.
Then whats the news about? Erdogan and Trump making a private deal without the YPG knowing about it?
To make the YPG look bad for not accepting the ceasefire and giving their weapons. To make them and Assad look like the ones wanting to continue this. It was basically nothing as the US and Turkey were deciding on the territory of a third country, Syria.
Should definitely be one of the subtitles to the 52 season HBO show.
We did what we could and Erdogan is a swell guy... Guess we have to blame the Kurds for this one.
YPG is not Syria either. Stop with the double standards. It's a complex situation. I have yet to underatand what the deal exactly is here and if the YPG actually will comply or not. My intuition says that Trump wouldn't make a deal with Erdogan without YPG knowing about it.
They are allied with Syria now, so Assad would have to agree to that now or the YPG would be betraying them.
I don't think Assad would have any problem with them disarming a piece of land that he lost control of. Assad is not pro YPG but they negotiated a deal because of common interests.
Assad made the deal with the YPG because he does not want to lose land. He managed to get the Kurds under control again. Besides, I really doubt the YPG would be willing to give up their best weapons now that they have to fight ISIS again ( and the enemies of Assad ).
Glad Pence is willing to carry on in the tradition of MAGA.
That's the moment when 30% of America knew they'd found the right man for President.
His promise for Trump 2020 is going to be to create a safe zone in Mexico for all the immigrants.
Turkey controls about 70km of the 350km border they're supposed to get with that deal.
There is no way Assad agrees to giving up the other 280km.
oh I'm sure right about the time the next democrat takes office, as is custom.
I mean consequences for us not for trump
The YPG is to be incorporated into the SAA and Kurdish leaders incorporated into Syrian govt alongside Kurdish rights being put into the Syrian constitution.
That is their deal, attack on the YPG is an attack on the Syrian military. A military that is backed by Russia, Iran, China, among others.
The US just gave support to an ethnic cleansing and annexation of another country.
This could very well get a lot worse quick
That is their deal, attack on the YPG is an attack on the Syrian military. A military that is backed by Russia, Iran, China, among others.
The US just gave support to an ethnic cleansing and annexation of another country.
This could very well get a lot worse quick
It's still to be seen where Russia stands on all of this, they've been awfully quiet and it's not like they've given Erdogan the go-ahead to invade and occupy pieces of Syria before. Even right now the SAA can't take Idlib simply because Putin forced a cease fire down their throats to please Erdogan.
Arent Russian forces alongside the SAA and YPG in Manbij right now? I dont see Russia backing off of Syria despite it being landlocked.
Yeah but Manbij is already quite far away from the border, I'm more talking about areas right at the border.
I almost thought this was satire from a fake account. What in the actual fuck
I'll bet anything that meeting went something like this:
Pence met with Erdogan. Pence said things are bad and asked that they stop - pretty please. Erdogan then told him to fuck off. Pence said, yes daddy ok you'll get your land and your genocide if you promise to not do the dirty with our nukes. He then returned home and to avoid international humiliation, they're framing this as a 'deal' and a 'victory'.
Right?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
The ONLY purpose this "deal" serves is so that the US can immediately frame the Kurds as the aggressors when body counts continue to rise. This way they can get the Fox News spin machine going, have the AmeriKKKan public swallow this shit, and make the defense contractors happy by selling weapons to Turkey for the sole purpose of slaughtering the Kurds.
That is exactly what it is. The only purpose this serves is to sell to the public the idea that the Kurds are terrorists as they continue to defend themselves.
Pence met with Erdogan. Pence said things are bad and asked that they stop - pretty please. Erdogan then told him to fuck off. Pence said, yes daddy ok you'll get your land and your genocide if you promise to not do the dirty with our nukes. He then returned home and to avoid international humiliation, they're framing this as a 'deal' and a 'victory'.
Right?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
The ONLY purpose this "deal" serves is so that the US can immediately frame the Kurds as the aggressors when body counts continue to rise. This way they can get the Fox News spin machine going, have the AmeriKKKan public swallow this shit, and make the defense contractors happy by selling weapons to Turkey for the sole purpose of slaughtering the Kurds.
That is exactly what it is. The only purpose this serves is to sell to the public the idea that the Kurds are terrorists as they continue to defend themselves.
Not sure what you remember from Obama. They agreed with Obama about the 30 Kilometres safezone as he was the one who came with it, but never signed the papers. I wonder what you heard or know about the exact numbers?
