Era, what’s your opinion on concealed carry?

[CelestialAtom]

Hey all! I have been quite nervous writing this, but I thought I would ask about the opinions of handgun ownership. Now, I understand Era leans heavily to the left (As do I), so this is a topic that I expect to be controversial. To give you all a little information on my background, I am a Progressive Liberal that is Pro-Gun. What I mean by that is I am Pro-Concealed Carry/Anti-Assault Weapons/Anti-NRA/Pro-Extended Background Checks. I refuse to shop at gun shows because of their loopholes and have never once stepped foot in one (never will). Now, onto the question...

If we had extended background checks & psychological exams for everyone that wanted to purchase a handgun, would you be opposed to concealed carry? I just want to have a logical & polite discussion about this, as there are Liberals like myself who prefer to carry as a last-case defense at my house or at places where White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi terrorist shit bags would want to open-fire on the public. I expect many to disagree with me or think I am crazy (or both), but I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the matter since most gun-related topics deal with Assault-style guns.

 

[Deleted member 2809]

Ban all guns for civilians

 

[Pankratous]

Civilians should not have any guns at all.

 

[nsilvias]

if you need a gun on you at all times you have problems. that shit aint normal

 

[tadale]

I do not want to be around anyone with a gun who is not a trained law enforcement officer. I'm from the Deep South where guns were a pretty constant presence and I've had my fill.

 

[danowat]

I just want to have a logical & polite discussion about this, as there are Liberals like myself who prefer to carry as a last-case defense at my house or at places where White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi terrorist shit bags would want to open-fire on the public. I expect many to disagree with me or think I am crazy (or both), but I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the matter since most gun-related topics deal with Assault-style guns.

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If you need to defend yourself (with a firearm) against these kinds of things, there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live.

 

[signal]

I think it's dumb but I've never lived in a country where experiencing gun violence is a realistic threat. If I lived in the US or somewhere I might think different about it.

 

[Deleted member 27246]

In an ideal America guns for civilians would all be banned, but I am convinced that is not realistic at all, so I'll take concealed carry, no assault weapons and background checks.

I am not American though.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I would love to live in the fantasy paradise where nobody had guns

alas, I live in Texas, so I know that isn't true and never will be.

If you need to defend yourself (with a firearm) against these kinds of things, there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live.

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America?

 

[THErest]

No more guns.

 

[TaySan]

I'd prefer if civilians did not have guns period. One reason i want to leave the country

 

[Mandikiri]

I have my license to carry, but I always keep my weapon at home, locked away. Never have I carried my weapon outside of my house.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I would love to live in the fantasy paradise where nobody had guns

alas, I live in Texas, so I know that isn't true and never will be.

America?

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Having a gun yourself doesn't actually help defend you much against someone else having a gun

 

[Hours Left]

No one should have a gun.

 

[OrangeNova]

I'm against carrying a weapon, if it's defending your house, you don't need it on your person at all times, keep it in a safe location.

 

[Awesome Kev]

we have to get a serious handle on gun control laws before we even consider addressing concealed carry laws (as you addressed in the OP)

if the planets aligned and we were able to do that and gun murders/suicides were down enough and crime keeps plummeting... then yeah, i could see us have a talk about it. but just a talk! not committing to anything

 

[Cheeky Devlin]

Unless you are a farmer, or live/work in the wilderness where wild animals are a real possibility/threat I believe there isn't a single legitimate reason for owning a gun.

 

[GMM]

No civilian should be allowed to carry or own any guns except very basic hunting rifles that require an extended background check.

Fuck guns and fuck the US' gun culture.

 

[Just_a_Mouse]

Ban all guns, civilian and otherwise.

 

[Sulik2]

There is absolutely zero reason in modern society for random people to need to be able to walk around with hidden weapons. It's pure lunacy.

 

[CrazyAndy]

How do people not get this? Civilians don't need guns.

 

[Deleted member 2809]

Having a gun yourself doesn't actually help defend you much against someone else having a gun

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Just don't fail your QTEs

 

[DBT85]

I'd be interested to know how many people in say, a supermarket, would react more to someone carrying an axe, machete and a bow and arrow, or a gun.

 

[danowat]

I would love to live in the fantasy paradise where nobody had guns

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Like the majority of the world?

Like I said, and I don't care where it is, if you feel the need to own military hardware to feel safe, then there is something badly wrong with where you live.

 

[Chaos Legion]

How do people not get this? Civilians don't need guns.

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No guns, please and thank you.

 

[Landy828]

I'm an inspector and travel a lot to some really rough areas. I've always carried one. 15 years now. I was trained by an ex-marine/special forces in handling my gun.

Only had to pull it once in 15 years, and it may have saved my life. Had a guy try to come through the window of my work truck because I wouldn't buy his fake jewelry from him. Couldn't get to my keys so I pulled my gun on him.

Outside of that, I've not needed it in 15 years. I've never fired my gun once.

I still fully support massive cut backs on access to guns, deep background checks, and the elimination of semi-automatic rifles. There's no need for them at all. We'll never get rid of guns in the US, but we could make some massive changes.

 

[Nome]

What's the argument for concealed carry over open carry?
If the goal is self-defense, seems a visible firearm would be a good deterrent.

 

[CelestialAtom]

if you need a gun on you at all times you have problems. that shit aint normal

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I just want to have a logical & polite discussion about this

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If you need to defend yourself (with a firearm) against these kinds of things, there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live.

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Have you seen America in the past few years? Shit, I would LOVE to live in a world where weapons aren't a thing. I seriously would, but that's just not reality.

What's the argument for concealed carry over open carry?
If the goal is self-defense, seems a visible firearm would be a good deterrent.

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A fantastic question! I'm not a big supporter of open carry, as in my state (Tennessee), you can walk anywhere with an open firearm without any training whatsoever. I would prefer there to be training for someone to carry in that manner like the training we receive for a CCW (to which, I believe the training needs to be expanded on).

 

[RecRoulette]

The "Good guy with a gun" has a much higher chance of accidentally killing someone innocent than actually stopping a shooter, so nah. Fuck that.

You REALLY want to protect yourself so much why not just go open carry.

 

[Deleted member 8674]

Ban all guns for civilians

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This. Sadly it'll never happen because the gun lobby is too strong.

 

[shaneo632]

Yep, guns are trash.

I live in the UK where this isn't a problem, but the idea of a populus being able to walk around with a gun that they can pull in the heat of an argument is just terrifying to me.

 

[eclipze]

I'm fine with it as long as they are not a danger to themselves or society.

 

[Enduin]

Not at all. Last thing we need is more paranoid people armed in public. Society has failed miserably if it's at the point where letting people carry guns in public is seen as any solution to a problem rather than doing literally anything else.

 

[danowat]

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Have you seen America in the past few years? Shit, I would LOVE to live in a world where weapons aren't a thing. I seriously would, but that's just not reality.

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I have, and it's somewhere I'd avoid if at all possible, until America gets it's head around the fact that the answer against guns is less guns, not more guns, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Awesome Kev]

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Have you seen America in the past few years? Shit, I would LOVE to live in a world where weapons aren't a thing. I seriously would, but that's just not reality.

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oy... i kinda lean towards the way you look at guns OP.... but man this thread is going to be quite rudely smashed into your face. i'm sure you know that already... but it's mostly futile trying to talk sense into any of these people when is comes to sensible gun laws. they just want to them gone, which is of course completely unrealistic. god speed to you lol

 

[Landy828]

What's the argument for concealed carry over open carry?
If the goal is self-defense, seems a visible firearm would be a good deterrent.

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Open carry seems to be more dangerous than concealed if you ask me. Great way to become a target.

 

[Skade]

No fucking civilian in a developed place should be allowed to carry any sort of weapon. Period.

Open carry is stupid and conceiled carry is even more stupid on top of being fucking dangerous.


Having a gun if you live in the african savannah or the middle of an Alaska forest, yeah, ok, it's to defend yourself again the fauna.

But in a city ? Even a small one ? Fuck off.

 

[Deleted member 10908]

I have a concealed carry license but I dont really carry. There is no real training to get it, all i had to do was sit through a 1 hour long DVD and point a fake gun with a laser on a target. However, I feel the focus right now needs to be to to close the used guns loophole which is ridiculous in Florida

 

[Jmdajr]

Extended background checks. You know I don't even know what that even looks at. I guess just criminal records?

Sadly that alone doesn't mean jack squat.

 

[genjiZERO]

Second Amendment aside (which for the record I disagree with the Court's holding that it grants an individual right to own a firearm), I'd prefer to live in a society where most forms of guns (hunting rifles are an exception) are banned.

 

[The Doomed One]

Americans, it's time to give up your sick gun fetish. I'm sure there are plenty of women and men who don't mind small penises.
The rest of the world is laughing at you.

 

[nsilvias]

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what did i say? 🙄
where's the lie? these people are paranoid and carry guns as defense against some danger that doesnt really exist.

 

[SwampBastard]

Unless you are a farmer, or live/work in the wilderness where wild animals are a real possibility/threat I believe there isn't a single legitimate reason for owning a gun.

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+1

 

[CelestialAtom]

oy... i kinda lean towards the way you look at guns OP.... but man this thread is going to be quite rudely smashed into your face. i'm sure you know that already... but it's mostly futile trying to talk sense into any of these people when is comes to sensible gun laws. they just want to them gone, which is of course completely unrealistic. god speed to you lol

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Yep, I was not excited to make this thread (especially being a Liberal that likes guns under certain circumstances), but I felt it was a discussion that needed to be had since Assault-style guns are the issue that everyone brings up, but there is usually never any talk about handguns and viewpoints on concealed carry. I expect people to continue acting out of emotion towards me (and that's fine), but at the end of the day, this needs to be ironed out.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Yep, I was not excited to make this thread (especially being a Liberal that likes guns under certain circumstances), but I felt it was a discussion that needed to be had since Assault-style guns are the issue that everyone brings up, but there is usually never any talk about handguns and viewpoints on concealed carry. I expect people to continue acting out of emotion towards me (and that's fine), but at the end of the day, this needs to be ironed out.

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Hand guns lead to more deaths than assault rifles, they're honestly a bigger problem despite getting less attention

 

[Parthenios]

The world isn't nearly a scary enough place to warrant needing a fucking life-ending weapon on you at all (or any) time. I'm mid-30s and can't think of a single instance in my entire life that would have been improved with a weapon. I've been burglarized several times and weapons wouldn't have even made that better (am I going to fucking shoot someone over stuff?)

I have a very good friend who doesn't come by anymore because we told him to stop bringing his goddamned gun into our house. "You live downtown and it's a dangerous place. There are homeless people!" Motherfucker I go jogging at midnight most nights of the week perfectly fine, you aren't in any danger at 5pm in the evening. Are you going to shoot someone for asking for a dollar because you "feel threatened?" Bug off.

This need says more about the insecurities of the armed than anything else. It's the same as toddlers needing to carry their blankey everywhere.

 

[Fatoy]

I live in the UK where this isn't a problem, but the idea of a populus being able to walk around with a gun that they can pull in the heat of an argument is just terrifying to me.

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Ditto. It's a horrifying thought. It would change the fabric of society so much. Imagine just popping down to the supermarket and knowing that anyone could have a gun tucked in the waistband of their jeans. It's so far removed from reality over here (and in most of the civilised world) that it feels insane to even consider.

 

[Haloid1177]

First off, very anti-gun, preferably the choice is get rid of guns. But that ain't the case.

Among the various things obtainable for guns, concealed carry licenses actually require attending a class and proving you can shoot. I wish that was the standard for how we handle all gun purchases in the country, as well as waiting periods. Like banning all guns isn't gonna happen, but there's no reason this kinda shit can't.

 

[N64Controller]

I'm against all kinds of carry.