Yeah well it's unfortunate that in reality the 2 party system is never going to go away. Might as well just cancel all other parties if they're just wasted investments every 4 years.
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Era poll: Do you want Biden to win the 2020 Democratic Primary?
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It's true that the only moral vote is one for the Democratic nominee, but people should know that if it's Biden what we're getting into. He polls well because of assocation.
It's like no lessons could be gained from the Trump saga. A giant cadre of candidates chasing the Dem nom will weaken not strengthen them.
He would not be my first choice, but I don't strongly object to him either.
Both of the frontrunners are awful. Bernie and Biden need taken out to pasture.
Both of the frontrunners are awful. Bernie and Biden need taken out to pasture.
Biden can't help but put his hands on women and girls, is wealthy powerful and has ties to Ukraine. You do the math, no Biden! VAWA would be great cover for him. If this were Persona 5 Biden's palace would be frightening.
Hell no. He represents everything that's been wrong with the Democratic Party and a continuation of the shift to the right and stagnation of progressive policies.
I feel like people like AOC, Tlaib and Omar should be the future of the party and are some of the future leaders the party has desperately needed. I'd like to see someone in there that will try to match their tenacity and help move the party back to the left. I do like Bernie but I feel like he's too damaged from the toxicity of 2016 plus I don't like his stance on guns. So right now I'm guessing I lean for Warren.
I feel like people like AOC, Tlaib and Omar should be the future of the party and are some of the future leaders the party has desperately needed. I'd like to see someone in there that will try to match their tenacity and help move the party back to the left. I do like Bernie but I feel like he's too damaged from the toxicity of 2016 plus I don't like his stance on guns. So right now I'm guessing I lean for Warren.
Exactly this. There are several candidates Id rather see win before Biden, but he has my vote if its between him and Trump.
When is the time? 2024 when a Republican challenges again? Or 2028 when we're trying to oust the Republican in charge?
No but he's not part of the GOP so guess I'll vote for him...
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck the Dem's "who else are you going to vote for?" platform.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck the Dem's "who else are you going to vote for?" platform.
Assuming the 2024 GOP Candidate isn't anything like Trump, yes.
When I think Biden I think Sasha and Malia ain't allowed to be left alone with Uncle Joe.
It's gonna happen whether we want it to or not. And Warren will be the new Bernie in this scenario.
Could you be anymore naive and I'll informed? Tell me the difference between Trump, Reagan, Bush, and what you think the next Republican Candidate is
Lmao nearly had an outburst in Court reading this.
"Don't call him Obama's mascot, if Trump reads this he might use the insult in a debate!" /s
Are you being serious? If you're going to name call, don't do it when you don't know the difference between Trump and past GOP presidents.
To put it simply, with the political and literal climate we face going forward, having republicans in office again really isn't an option anymore. Having wishy washy corporatist dems that simply stuard the current institutions that allow republicans to maintain ever growing influence and the ability to elect another fascistic strong man is an extension on future catastrophe on our democracy and the global climate threat.
We need dems that will disrupt or lay groundwork to change these entrenched systems and encourage mobilizations of the left in this country and solidarity abroad to fight effectively against all the challenges we face. The more we cater to more conservative modes of policy, the more we impede the necessary things that we need going forward.
Those weren't insults but ok... The difference is that GOP has pushed harder and harder to the right and is in bed with more foreign entities than ever. Trump may be a loud mouthed idiot and the next Republican candidate may be as "endearing" as dog painting Bush jr but the policy remains the same.
Never? You do what you can in the primary but not voting in the general when you don't get your preferred isn't going to magically make things better in four years.
Is that not what the reply chain is all about? Not voting or voting 3rd party as opposed to Biden over Trump? I don't think anyone is suggesting anyone has to vote for Biden in the primary.
Oh I don't know I didn't read what the person I qouted had said only about taking a stand. I took that to mean voting for someone like Warren or Sanders in the Primaries. Of course you vote for whoever the Dem candidate is when it comes to the election. Lmao why would anyone be dumb enough to protest vote in the GE
This. We won't win by catering to the center or by offering incremental changes. We win by going left and making big policy changes.
Incrementalism is conservative
If I was Biden, I think I'd be running on a "unification" platform. That's one of his strong areas. Of all the candidates running, he's the only one I see having a chance of bridging the urban rural divide (which is probably why his numbers are good as well). Even Trump's insults against him are just stupid character ones. "He's sleepy" or "He's dumb". Not "He wants to take your guns!"
It won't work or anything. The right is too far gone I think. Unification seems impossible to me. But if I were him that's the campaign I'd run.
It won't work or anything. The right is too far gone I think. Unification seems impossible to me. But if I were him that's the campaign I'd run.
Fuck no.
Warren is my first pick. If Bernie was 10 years younger, he'd probably be my pick, but I don't feel comfortable voting for someone that age. I'm cool with the top 6, aside from Biden though. Buttigieg would be good. Harris or Beto wouldn't be bad.
By the time of Indiana's primary though, I'll just vote for whichever one has the best chance of beating Biden. Whether that's Bernie or one of the other ones. If Biden has somehow imploded by then things would be more interesting.
If Biden manages to maintain and wins the nomination, I'll vote for him against Trump, but goddamn my enthusiasm will be rock bottom.
Warren is my first pick. If Bernie was 10 years younger, he'd probably be my pick, but I don't feel comfortable voting for someone that age. I'm cool with the top 6, aside from Biden though. Buttigieg would be good. Harris or Beto wouldn't be bad.
By the time of Indiana's primary though, I'll just vote for whichever one has the best chance of beating Biden. Whether that's Bernie or one of the other ones. If Biden has somehow imploded by then things would be more interesting.
If Biden manages to maintain and wins the nomination, I'll vote for him against Trump, but goddamn my enthusiasm will be rock bottom.
Oof, old people not getting the memo about Biden being a bad choice for president:
That's a pretty wild split by age.
That's a pretty wild split by age.
Biden's going to run away with this even if the young people show up to vote at this rate.
The funniest part of the people bringing up Biden as a legitimate threat to Trump are the people citing his current polling. After the bait & switch that was the polling of Clinton's support pre-ballot & post-ballot, we're relying on polling once again to tell us that one candidate is better than the rest in the field.
New Rule for 2020: Stop trusting political polling going forward, because people that are being polled are lying bullshit artists.
New Rule for 2020: Stop trusting political polling going forward, because people that are being polled are lying bullshit artists.
....and Trump is? Your not being asked to vote for him in the Primary. I won't, worst candidate for president on the Demo side. But This country will get a hell of a lot worse if Trump stays in office. You can watch this country burn until 2024 or you can hope Biden might have some common sense and work with people like AoC to pass some sort of resemblance of EC to help the nation. Because, once Trump wins 2020 and doesn't have to worry about the trials for impeachment, who do you think will be the next target of attack?
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