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Epic weaponizing kids obsessed with Fortnite is absolutely screwed up
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Tacky really is an understatement for all this. It's horribly insidious, and shows how little they care for quelling toxicity in gaming, which iirc they supposedly wanted to achieve.
Remember when some news outlets published articles about how bad and evil Steam is because they posted this message and "radicalized" their user base?
I really do wonder why the same outlets prefer to be silent about the current situation right now or simply call it "tacky".
I really do wonder why the same outlets prefer to be silent about the current situation right now or simply call it "tacky".
The "weaponising" is a bit like Kony 2012, I doubt it will have any impact, and the people participating are not being brainwashed or whatever.
However, it will be interesting to see what the legal impact would be if Epic wins.
It would be great if people could install whatever software they want on their own hardware. On the flip-side, once the walled gardens are torn down, the hackers will take over.
There is no loss for ordinary people here.
However, it will be interesting to see what the legal impact would be if Epic wins.
It would be great if people could install whatever software they want on their own hardware. On the flip-side, once the walled gardens are torn down, the hackers will take over.
There is no loss for ordinary people here.
Remember when some news outlets published articles about how bad and evil Steam is because they posted this message and "radicalized" their user base?
I really do wonder why the same outlets prefer to be silent about the current situation right now or simply call it "tacky".
Seriously. I remember tons of hand wringing from media people after this about Valve 'riling up their customers'. It is the most basic matter of fact explanation of the situation. "This is what is happening. We don't think it is fair exactly, and we know some of you are disappointed."
Imagine if Valve had made a video that played to everyone in DOTA2, with all the stalwart heroes rushing the evil Ancient "Epic" #SaveSteam
It is fucking (and I don't use the word for many things) 'cringey' to start taking your business posturing into an in-game marketing rally cries to your userbase.
Weaponising userbases happens all the time in spats on twitter. It is a real problem and not something localised to Kony-like happenings. I believe that was more pushed on Facebook anyway. To see corporations trying to leverage a strategy like this really makes me sick.
'For the children' in respect to marketing and PR doesn't bother me.
When children are actually defacto slave labor and suffering injury, disease, and death in unfathomable conditions in these tech companies supply lines.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, Tesla and Dell sued over child-mined cobalt from Africa
Rights organization accuses the tech giants of "knowingly benefiting from and aiding and abetting the cruel and brutal use of young children ... to mine cobalt."
www.cbsnews.com
I'm not sure if it's just because the kids are brown, but this has been gleefully ignored while people skree over stuff like this Epic ad and Spiderman etc.
And Epic aren't the good guys here. If they were in Apple or Google's position, they'd be every bit as greedy, hateful, and indiscriminately destructive to humanity even down to casually accepting child labor.
Remember when some news outlets published articles about how bad and evil Steam is because they posted this message and "radicalized" their user base?
I really do wonder why the same outlets prefer to be silent about the current situation right now or simply call it "tacky".
Steam didn't pull those games though. Epic did.
In this situation, Apple pulled the plug on Epic. And Apple's defense is not that they were blocked by exclusivity. Apple's defense is that they can't make the 30% cut from Fortnite exclusive to themselves without any competition from the developers of the app, which might be an antitrust issue, whether people want to believe it or not.
Holy shit the Doritos Pope is throwing his weight behind this??
I think there's a small difference between calling something "unfair" or creating a literal propaganda video which you spam 24h on all of your social media channels. Even if some media outlets think that both actions have the same weight to it then they should at least treat both with the same harsh critic.
My wife and I were just discussing this. With everything that is going on in the world, the timing is piss-poor. I also didn't like them trying to recruit my 11 year old to fight for their "right" to more money.
My 15 year old immediately saw past the bullshit and asked if they charged companies to be on the Epic store lol.
My 15 year old immediately saw past the bullshit and asked if they charged companies to be on the Epic store lol.
Does the Fortnite crowd even get the 1984 reference? I mean it's been almost 40 years since the Macintosh...
Also Epic, where's my Unreal Tournament ?
Also Epic, where's my Unreal Tournament ?
Wait, so this is why we never got Rusty's Real Deal Baseball?
I always thought it was because no one plays baseball in Europe (we didn't get any Mario Sluggers either) but this puts it in another light too.
I know I'm not the one you quote, but I'd like to apologize for my previous post. I was under the asumption that the short was released simultaneously with the announcement of the lawsuit.
Every company uses you for profit. Sony and Marvel did it with Spider-Man, Epic does it with Fortnite, Steam does it against Epic, Apple does it against all competitors, etc. We're all pawns in this capitalistic drive to fuel their CEOs and stockholders.
Other companies are piling on.
www.engadget.com
Facebook is the latest tech giant to blast Apple's 'App Store tax'
This is far from the first time a disagreement between Facebook and Apple has played out publicly.
www.engadget.com
Other companies are piling on.
Facebook is the latest tech giant to blast Apple's 'App Store tax'
This is far from the first time a disagreement between Facebook and Apple has played out publicly.
I mean, Facebook is right. The 30% Apple Tax is unf...
Well then.
I mean, Facebook is right. The 30% Apple Tax is unf...
Well then.
Hey it looked exactly like when Epic bad mouthed everyone for 30% while they were selling stuff on their own UEngine store for 30%.
I was very entertained by the defiant act of including the optional pay method in the app, but yeah, this video is not cool. Something else to help engender entitlement in young gamers.
(though if someone would have made it in a different context, the video would be amusing, seeing as Apple and their kin are now the Big Brothers)
(though if someone would have made it in a different context, the video would be amusing, seeing as Apple and their kin are now the Big Brothers)
it's about time someone went after both Google and Apple. It's quite sad there are only 2 major players in the mobile phone OS game. They have developers, consumers and pretty much everyone by the balls.
Happy to see them and a few other publications speaking out against this rather than falling in line with the hashtag.
Not rooting for any company in this crazy trio. Seeing a huge company like Epic fighting against Apple kind of makes me just think about watching a Godzilla film.
Consumers should have been pushing for someone to curtail Apple's monopolistic practices long before now. I'm not exactly pleased that it takes a rival corporation to coordinate and galvanize such a response, but I'm happy that it happened.
As I said before it really is hypocritical from them to do this after not doing anything related to spreading awareness about COVID, HK protests and even BLM (they did play that one video), or any other more important world issue. But when it's their ass in question they organized whole thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't PC Gamer actually running pro-EGS articles that were sponsored by Unreal Engine a year or two ago? I know there was at least one website that was doing that, and people here were calling that shit out. My memory is fuzzy though, so it might be another site I'm thinking of.
Edit: oh, and this article is still filled with the the same bullshit pro-EGS sites were pushing when the store first launched.
Jesus Christ, they're still regurgitating this nonsense? And worse: if you actually read the full article, they actually take a break in the middle JUST to promote how awesome Epic Games and Fortnite are, and how lame Apple is:
This is absolutely embarrassing. This is like if a site had published an article about how AMC theater chains were attempting to blackmail Universal into not doing more digital releases earlier this year, and admitted that their tactics were unethical... but the article was otherwise written with a pro-theater chain slant, and stopped in the middle to promote the AMC Stubs A-List program and the latest additions to the fucking concession stand, while simultaneously shitting on Universal films for being creatively bankrupt.
Very impressive how they managed to turn an article that is ostensibly about how this stunt Epic Games is pulling is morally repugnant, into a walking advertisement for literally everything else Epic Games is doing.
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It's sad that decades of deregulation have led to a situation where the only way to fight some of the most powerful companies in the history of the world is for another corporation to use questionable means. So it goes.
When Epic loses, look for Apple and Google to clamp down even harder with their anti-competitive practices.
When Epic loses, look for Apple and Google to clamp down even harder with their anti-competitive practices.
If epic wins do consumers win? Nah. It's same shit different Corp getting money. Fuck Epic. Make your own mobile phone and do what you want.
Fortnitefone. Lol.
Thing is, this is the same argument Microsoft used back during their antitrust case VS the USA. They pointed to the (nearly failing) Apple and Linux as proof that you could "make your own competing OS" to justify their antagonizing of smaller competitors (embrace, extend, extinguish) and monopolization of the entire industry. The fruits of which solidified them with decades of utmost dominant share of consumer and business desktop computing. Pretty much right up until iOS and Android came along, who now almost completely dominate the consumer and business mobile computing market, which is arguably just as big if not bigger than Windows' market. They are ubiquitous. Even Microsoft themselves with their infinite war chest were unable to penetrate the market dominated by Google and Apple here, so I doubt "just make your own phone" stands as a useful endeavour for companies with less resources than God. There's just no place for a 3rd player and Google+Apple have spend billions making sure of that.
you mean a tiny few billion dollar corp verse , 2 trillion dollar corp lol
Epic will get bankrupt
Oh OK if that what they meant...but they're not even challenging it. It's not like they're making their own OS/store, it's just a method to pay them directly instead at a slight discount to the consumer.
to get Apple to change their crazy 30% cut on in app purchases policy.
Remember when some news outlets published articles about how bad and evil Steam is because they posted this message and "radicalized" their user base?
I really do wonder why the same outlets prefer to be silent about the current situation right now or simply call it "tacky".
^^^^ Yeah this.
Maybe? You never know, a "change" doesn't always change for the better . We'll see, in both cases
Agreed. This shit is disgusting all around.
its a change that doesnt even affect us much... but we always gotta pick sides in everything.