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Epic lawsuit shows Sony asks publishers for compensation if MTX / playerbase ratio falls below certain amount compared to the cross-platform revenue
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No it's not a dunk I just think people here get emotional here when it comes to having and ignore that most of these policies are standard practice.
Not insulting anyone here. Just pointing out that people are getting emotional because of some policies when both parties are agreeing to it
Please explain to me then
What has my avatar to do with anything here
PlayStation doesn't own market but up until now PlayStation were offering free multiplayer for f2p games. So they are just covering their revenue stream. People often seem to forget that be it Sony Nintendo or Microsoft their primary goal is to make money.
It's not even something out of extraordinary. PS is giving it's player base to other party and in return it's ensuring that if revenue falls below .85 per user then other party posts some royalty. I am sure most people but items on platforms they are causing to play
I haven't seen it manfiset in any developers forcing and promoting ps versions besides marketing deals.
That's how I understood it too, I'm struggling to find words to highlight just how egregious this is. It doesn't just protect Sony from 'lost revenue' if they are the leading platform it also ensures they earn more money if a game is more successful on another platform.
This benefits no-one but Sony and would absolutely dissuade me from implementing cross-play/progression if I was a small/medium sized publisher/developer as those penalty payments will come out after the other platform has taken their 30%.
Epic just said Nintendo and Microsoft do not do this with them.
Or they get the harshest because they have the biggest money making potential and Sony wants that. We really just don't know. We know that Genshin has cross play without cross saved when Epic wasn't allowed either initially. So we can't say for sure.
They only enter the deal if they know they can make those numbers and the additional revenue is significant. Devs are businesses too and will protect themselves and will (likely) not enter into bad deals just because Sony wants them too.
It's totally deliberate, this is a way to release documents that are confidential to the public and put pressure on Sony.
I'm condemning Sony for this practice because we know they did so. If documents come out that show Nintendo and MS had similar practices, then I'll speak out against them for it as well.
There's nothing "warrior" happening here, at least other then a very surprising amount of "It's just good business!" posts you see thrown around.
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Okay master chief.
I have attorney's eyes now!
This is from Apple's lawsuit right? I wonder how Sony and Epic's relationship is currently.
This is from Apple's lawsuit right? I wonder how Sony and Epic's relationship is currently.
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Yea, I'm sure they haven't been happy with Sony with that and having this stage allows them to put it out their publicly because well they have to.
From buying vbucks for my daughter it doesn't seem like that was the case. If I bought VBucks on PC she had to redeem those VBucks on PC and her VBucks\Wallet was not available to be used on other platforms like Switch\PS\Xbox. Did they change that when they launched this apple attack?
Lol, this avatar is the one I used on my younger forumn browsing days, back in like 07 or so. I decided to use the same avatar with Era, cause why not?
Does mine being a Halo fan mean I can't criticize MS, or Sony?
Pathetic.
Source: Epic saying Sony is the only one with the clause.
Love Playstation generally, but I hope they get super reamed for this. What a garbage policy.
Sony double dipping. Think this tweet is probably worth a threadmark as well.
again, this person been hemming and hawing about evidence and its literally the first day of this. I'm not warrioring this demanding x y z. I said more than likely more practices will come out and its not limited to this.
Why are people mad at Sony? It seems pretty reasonable from business side of things. You want to protect yourself from situations where people pay for MTX on other platforms and use them on yours.
Besides, I might be misremembering, but didn't we also learn that PlayStation bring the biggest revenue share for Epic. So I am assuming Epic didn't actually even have to pay those compensations.
Besides, I might be misremembering, but didn't we also learn that PlayStation bring the biggest revenue share for Epic. So I am assuming Epic didn't actually even have to pay those compensations.
Tim sweeney the ceo of Epic literally just testified explaining how Sony is the only one doing it.
Take your goggles off for a second and realise that no secret document is coming to out others.
Unless you think Tim Sweeney is lying.
They definitely dont, and the evidence is more than likely to show that apple could give them a similar deal.
I'm not commenting on JUST this practice, but these practices in general.
its no different to epic dropping their store fees lower than Steam for example, there is other pieces that make it beneficial for them to do so.
Figured as much once the specifics started becoming a bit more clear. This is the kind of move only a company with comfortably and dominantly self-sustaining console sales + digital ecosystem would pull, and Xbox console sales aren't at Sony level yet, nor is Nintendo's digital engagement as strong as Sony's.
This is your initial post in this thread.
I've quoted that asking why you assume the others are doing it as well, and wondering if maybe you had more information than us as you seemed pretty adamant about it.
We now know that in terms of this agreement, it's only Sony. It was always about this one practice, so please don't say something like "yeah but other companies do other shady practices!".
I apologize if I offended you here, but going after my avatar is not the right strategy.
Okay now that we know it's unique, that's kinda greedy of them lol. It's relatively low on the scummy meter for me, but it's still scummy. It doesn't make Sony look good that's for sure. We're definitely going to see very rational discussion over this development now.
Maybe they would if they were in a similar position but this is the kind of thing you can only "ask" for with a sizeable market lead.
Shit move by Sony. Maybe the other platforms have similar stipulations, but we've seen cross play been implemented in games among all other platforms but Sony, so my guess is not.
(Edit and just then confirmed they don't)
I've read the first twelve pages and then browsed through some of the remaining ones. Remarkable that nobody at least in those pages seem to have brought it up. But the thinking that Sony is 'right' to do this because the other platforms leech of their player base is faulty. Multiple shoestores in a shopping street do not leech customers off each other, they're creating a situation where people all over the region flock to their street. Rising tides lift all boats. Crossplay creates more popularity and a larger casual base that wants to buy the game and the microtransaction. But apparently Sony is not just happy with more revenue, they also want to squeeze additional revenue out of the publisher if they can't have the most. All around scummy and borderline monopolistic.
(Edit and just then confirmed they don't)
I've read the first twelve pages and then browsed through some of the remaining ones. Remarkable that nobody at least in those pages seem to have brought it up. But the thinking that Sony is 'right' to do this because the other platforms leech of their player base is faulty. Multiple shoestores in a shopping street do not leech customers off each other, they're creating a situation where people all over the region flock to their street. Rising tides lift all boats. Crossplay creates more popularity and a larger casual base that wants to buy the game and the microtransaction. But apparently Sony is not just happy with more revenue, they also want to squeeze additional revenue out of the publisher if they can't have the most. All around scummy and borderline monopolistic.
I apologize for asking for more information from someone who seemed very sure about something others weren't.
Yeah, makes sense. Nobody is gonna say no when you are so far in the lead.
Aye, you have a good day. Sorry if I came off as too personal, was not my ultimate intent.
Just so we are clear - whatever is in Sony's best interest is good then? They can leverage whatever they want so long as its good for Sony's business?
