People getting cheap keys from gmg and the likes is over then too.
I don't understand the correlation. Steam charges nothing for Keys.
Their only stipulation for keys is that Steam users cannot get a worse deal for any significant period of time. If Valve is giving, they have no reason to stop. Unless you all are saying it's ok for Valve to act out of financial stability but others cannot?
The game might have DS4 support, but the client does not offer any of the controller features that Steam Input includes.
Somehow I doubt you will see developers abandoning Steam for this 90/10 split, unless it also comes with a suitcase full of money.
It doesn't matter what they are claiming about the 88/12 split being good for the industry or all the other "good reasons" they have put forward for abandoning Steam - they're being paid to do it, and having high visibility on a store with a very limited selection of games is a good motivator as well.
It's easy to see why developers would take that deal, but they could at least be honest about it.
How is it a "claim" that 88/12 is better for the industry? It is better for the development/vendor side of the industry to give less to storefronts as a third party. There's not a dispute that it benefits vendors in that way.
How is claiming 88/12 is better mean that people have to leave Steam? If they pay for exclusivity, then they're financially incentivizing them to leave Steam. Until then 90/10 and 88/12 are just vendor marketing equations for people to choose storefronts in addition to Steam or to choose storefronts aside from Steam, but it is merely competition in the vendor market to offer a better deal.
Seems like Discord wants to take a fight vs Steam/Epic/GG/GMG
Just a minor edit here since it's important to note this is not just a vendor attraction tool between Epic and Discord but all of third party PC Gaming outside publisher clients.
I mean, this guy is pretty transparent and his sudden interest in the epic store and pc threads is no surprise.
Epic/Tencent cant even compete with a single person running itch.io.
"But muh competition good for you !"
My interest in the Epic Store was to see how people reacted to the announcement given that they and Discord have both seemingly jumped into this space on the last few months with different approaches. Paragon was dead, long live Paragon, and I don't play Fortnite. Why the fuck would I talk about Epic or their launcher if I'm not playing their games before this point.
You're right I don't play a ton of games on PC, but I don't NOT play games on PC. I think Google's Project Stream is also radically interesting, but that's not the conversation here today. I think the future of Playstation Now, Xbox Game Pass, Origin Pass, etc. is amazing to consider for all of videogamedom because what if a streaming service actually does get it right? That's interesting.
Back on topic: Given the daily tenor around my friend group, developers, and even other consumer complaints about Steam I was very surprised at the reaction to new stores entering, especially Epic entering with exclusive since literally Discord has just announced a launch with exclusives, edit:, weeks ago.
So why am I contributing now where normally I don't? It's something I can actually contribute to in this PC conversation because generally, you all are more knowledgeable on that front, so who am I to say a single word. But when it comes to economics, market competition, and the general market things people who refer to themselves as "consumers" discuss, then I know I am qualified as that is something Iiiiii do know. I've acquiesced multiple times when I don't know something or I misread something and you are literally saying that I'm here with an agenda about "my competition list."
I don't give a penny to Epic on a daily basis. I played Paragon for free and never spent a dime. I don't play Fortnite. I actively do not pay attention to Unreal Engine, though this store makes people using it more interesting. I mean, if I was WB Games you think I give a shit about giving 7% to Epic if I already used to give 5% on every sale from using the engine? How is that not interesting to you that a major publisher can just choose flat out to do that?
I have read PC threads for a long time and not contributed. (Again, I had to create another user so this isn't my first one). I built a PC to play games/shoot video/better handle things in my day to day (plus it felt good to build things) and I use those threads to help me understand what I'm doing alongside other sources. I didn't expect to walk into every thread and people would literally be complaining a store exclusive as tantamount to overthrowing their favorite market giant.
I also didn't expect people to think that Itch.io has ever competed for vendors with Steam. I also didn't expect anyone to think Gog or GMG with much lower user bases actually competes with Steam. The moment any of them have done things Steam doesn't, Steam has added it within a period of time post-release.
There are literally people joining in here to say "Steam should just announce 88/12 and finish this whole thing." You're all rooting for the big guy. I'm just trying to get my mind around how none of you can recognize a market giant and the way in which you all won't even let another player get a chance. They could launch with every feature under the sun and you all would be the exact same way asking for Steam to do it instead of just launching on another application.
I think you're lying to yourselves if you think features make the difference. You won't even pay more for games on Steam if a lower price exists elsewhere that will get you to the same spot. So you're going to move to Epic because they have all the same features and Steam prices? You're not.
I'm just fascinated you all won't admit that theres literally nothing Epic could have done at launch of their store to not be hit with "oh another launcher." "Why are we doing this?" Even if developers chose no exclusivity deal and Epic didn't recognize that their literally losing millions of dollars not signing up with Steam to release first: "Why don't you just put your game in Steam?" "This is inconvenient to the consumer." And if they had launched with a feature Steam didn't have? They actively would've copied it within a period of time post-launch and that would've been squashed anyway.
You all do not respect developer choices to take deals. You don't respect storefront decisions to offer deals. But you'll respect a publisher buying a mid-size studio that literally cannot survive on the sales independent developers make currently in the PC market and removing those games entirely to their own store. Big time names are crowdfunding to release games on PC just to even know what interest there is in a game because it's that much of a risk.
It's just fascinating. THATS why I'm in these threads. That's why I've been trying to have healthy conversation while also standing firm in my viewpoints. I could literally give no fucks about Epic or Steam or any other digital storefront or even a piece of plastic as long as it plays games and I can play the things I want on it. But yes, Iiiiii have an agenda of "pro-competition" because I said don't throw the baby out with the bath water over the launch of a new service that's now 8 days old.
