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Epic Games Store Discussion

Crayon

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Oct 26, 2017
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This store is obviously ass, but I don't think it's particularly threatening. All the biggest games have their own launchers. a relative handful of high-profile Indies are going to be late to steam by year. If there's any game that you truly have your heart set on, you can hold your nose and use it (unless you're priced out due to region. Unless you're on Linux. Unless you need to use your own controller... Etc LOL so shitty).

If it all keeps going this way, they can't pull many users truly away from steam. Their store will stay in too crappy to do so. The only way this thing is ever going to take any noticeable chunk out of steam is if they really do whip it into shape. And that would actually be great if it was actually competitive in a way that could attract customers instead of arm-twisting them. There's no reason to believe it's going to happen, but it would be great.
 
Karish

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Oct 25, 2017
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Crayon said:
This store is obviously ass, but I don't think it's particularly threatening. All the biggest games have their own launchers. a relative handful of high-profile Indies are going to be late to steam by year. If there's any game that you truly have your heart set on, you can hold your nose and use it (unless you're priced out due to region. Unless you're on Linux. Unless you need to use your own controller... Etc LOL so shitty).

If it all keeps going this way, they can't pull many users truly away from steam. Their store will stay in too crappy to do so. The only way this thing is ever going to take any noticeable chunk out of steam is if they really do whip it into shape. And that would actually be great if it was actually competitive in a way that could attract customers instead of arm-twisting them. There's no reason to believe it's going to happen, but it would be great.
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This store will obviously improve. Epic is all in on this.
 
Screen Looker

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Nov 17, 2018
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Pixieking said:
Because we have expectations, and those expectations - at least for me, personally - are dramatically altered by the exclusives that Epic store has. If a store forces me (on the assumption I want the game) to go to it, then tells me "Nah, sorry, coming next week/month/year" for everything that the store next door has done for years (literally, in some cases), then I am going to be frustrated.

If there were no exclusives, I wouldn't care. "Oh, look, another PC digital distro store. Huh. Not much there, I'll buy from Steam unless I really want to support the developer with that extra cut". But once you make yourself the only game in town for an item, customers are going to want more, otherwise they'll feel like you're strong-arming them into shopping with you. Which Epic are. Want Satisfactory? Guess you'll have to do without Cloud Saves, a feature that Steam had 10 years ago. Sucks to be you, huh? Me, I'll just wait and/or buy something else with my money.
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First, let me backtrack a bit. I called things/folks stupid out of frustration. It was unkind, so I apologize.

Now, I completely agree that you should not buy a game on the store until you find the store options satisfactory. That could be never. That could be tomorrow.

I'm just asking folks to acknowledge it could be tomorrow. That's not what's happening here.

They have a lot of work ahead, but the entire stores existence isn't a curse on PC Gaming which is what people are making it out to be.

At the same time, folks refuse to acknowledge any developer complaint about Steam as its being addressed by Epic and they have been doing so for days.

They're trying to start without forums based on developers they talked to telling them they don't want them. Who cares if those developers who choose Epic need to hire technical support specialists. They do that anyway. If it fails, they'll do something else.
 
texhnolyze

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Screen Looker said:
First, let me backtrack a bit. I called things/folks stupid out of frustration. It was unkind, so I apologize.

Now, I completely agree that you should not buy a game on the store until you find the store options satisfactory. That could be never. That could be tomorrow.

I'm just asking folks to acknowledge it could be tomorrow. That's not what's happening here.

They have a lot of work ahead, but the entire stores existence isn't a curse on PC Gaming which is what people are making it out to be.

At the same time, folks refuse to acknowledge any developer complaint about Steam as its being addressed by Epic and they have been doing so for days.

They're trying to start without forums based on developers they talked to telling them they don't want them. Who cares if those developers who choose Epic need to hire technical support specialists. They do that anyway. If it fails, they'll do something else.
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It's a curse for me right now.

I was supposed to buy Ashen on Steam at a reasonable price, but then they locked it to Epic Store and I have to pay with US$ which could cost me 2-3 times more.
 
Karish

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Oct 25, 2017
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BoosterDuck said:
it's been 7 years since Origin and 6 years since uPlay

the only things they've added were refunds and cloud saves I think

I have no hope in this launcher
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Those stores were meant to primarily net that publisher an additional 30% from their own developed game. This is very much meant to be a steam competitor.
 
MrBob

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Oct 25, 2017
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I found this QA with the community manager for Satisfactory and mad props to him for saying about a minute and a half in they got a giant sack of money from Epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4UPiBOshY

The more interesting part is he makes it sound like Epic gave them enough money to handle the development costs (potentially much more than that). Can't really turn that down as in indie developer. Though if the store doesn't take off Epic is basically running a developer charity instead of a business.

Plus it is kind of funny seeing the community manager say it's cool for people to wait and see before buying games on the Epic Games Store knowing they already received a giant sack of cash from Epic. Easier to give this message after being paid, yet I doubt this is the message Epic would want to see in exchange of money.

Though I do feel slightly bad for him attempting to answer questions for Epic games store issues, like regional pricing. I think a lot of these indie developers may learn the hard way about gaming being a global business, but at least they got paid from epic before hand.
 
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ThereAreFourNaan

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Screen Looker said:
They have a lot of work ahead, but the entire stores existence isn't a curse on PC Gaming which is what people are making it out to be.
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The existence of an Epic launcher in general is not implicitly a "curse", but 12 month exclusives on the Epic store is bad for every other store and their users (none of whom want more library fragmentation), the launcher itself has a barren feature set and bad in general right now and the only possible benefits to the consumer are abstract, remote, and uncertain. Maybe it will be serious enough competition to improve other launchers at some undefined point in the future. Maybe indie devs on other stores will get a better revenue split in the year 20XX. Or maybe it will be a complete flop. Or maybe it will be barely successful enough to limp on for the next 10 years but never improve to the level of Steam - lord knows no other client ever has despite the backing of the largest videogame corporations in the industry.

In the mean time while we're waiting to see how it all pans out, anybody who wants these games right now needs to install a new client that is worse than even the second tier shitty ones and possibly pay way more than they would have had to otherwise because it's not respecting their regional currency or purchasing power. I can't even fathom the amount of cheerleading this move is getting except through the lens of people being very mad at valve for vague, ill defined reasons.
 
ThereAreFourNaan

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Alexandros said:
Valve has been steadily introducing new features and functions to the Steam client for many years now.
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No but you see I haven't bothered to check what's changed over the last few years and watch a lot of Jim Sterling videos so I hate valve. Therefore Valve hasn't done anything lately. Even if they had, it's only because of Competition(tm), which they need way more of for some reason.
 
Alexandros

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Screen Looker said:
They have a lot of work ahead, but the entire stores existence isn't a curse on PC Gaming which is what people are making it out to be.
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Epic can only blame themselves for this one. They chose to compete in a way that is completely at odds with what most PC gamers want and expect out of the platform. What did they think was going to happen? That the PC audience would welcome console-like moneyhatting with open arms?

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At the same time, folks refuse to acknowledge any developer complaint about Steam as its being addressed by Epic and they have been doing so for days.
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That's just not true. No one said anything bad about the increased cut that developers get. Folks are criticizing, very rightly so, the fact that Epic is "addressing developer complaints" by cutting or limiting consumer-friendly features like refunds, forums and user reviews.

ThereAreFourNaan said:
No but you see I haven't bothered to check what's changed over the last few years and watch a lot of Jim Sterling videos so I hate valve. Therefore Valve hasn't done anything lately. Even if they had, it's only because of Competition(tm), which they need way more of for some reason.
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Yeah. Steam Input and Steam Proton alone are two absolutely massive updates that have greatly expanded the reach and usability of PC games across input methods and operating systems.
 
spineduke

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Oct 25, 2017
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Screen Looker said:
Right. Are we talking about a store that promised you it would be everything you needed on date one? No.
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I'm not an investor, I'm a customer. You seem to be blurring the line of what it could potentially be, and what it is right now.

Don't judge harshly on those who make their purchase decisions based on the immediate state of the store. Which is a totally normal thing to do, again as a customer.
 

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Screen Looker said:
It absolutely does and you all need to stop acting... lol

It's incredie to see people in this forum complaining about the Epic Games Store not providing a store forum on day one as if this forum itself hasn't undergone NUMEROUS changes since its launch. Lol
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Which is a funny comparison, considering that this forum was a major step up from its "competition" when it launched.
The same cannot be said for the Epic Store.
 
GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
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BernardoOne said:
Again it seems you haven't read, somehow, again. Itch.io , on its launch week, without the 5 years Epic had, was better than this.
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I mean, this guy is pretty transparent and his sudden interest in the epic store and pc threads is no surprise.

Epic/Tencent cant even compete with a single person running itch.io.

"But muh competition good for you !"
 
Scanna

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Nov 27, 2017
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Since today Subnautica (first free game) is coming out, a question: are these games forever free and tied to your account or they will run out or something? I just assumed they would be free forever, but I wanted to check if there was any catch.
 
Kyougar

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Nov 3, 2017
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Scanna said:
Since today Subnautica (first free game) is coming out, a question: are these games forever free and tied to your account or they will run out or something? I just assumed they would be free forever, but I wanted to check if there was any catch.
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Would want to know the same. At least the EGL is good for grabbing free games (and I had it already installed for the two days I tried out Fortnite)

Also, it depends if they have DRM or not. Without DRM the question is void because it will always be free forever as long as you have the download. (if there is a single file download like GoG)
If it has DRM and the game is free forever and tied to your Epic account, the "forever" part is tied to the willingness of Epic to continue the store. (we shouldn't really complain about free games, the more glaring issue would be what happens to your bought games if the store goes belly up)
 
DrWong

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Edit; posting it here as the other thread got closed when I was writing.

[QUOTE="Winterreise, post: 15964629, member: 40491"]Those games are still exclusive to Steam. If this is just about end consumer price, then that's another issue and there's no precedent other than the fact that Epic is giving away a free game every two weeks.[/QUOTE]

Because they choose to. They can also offer a drm free version on their site if they want, or GOG or whatever. They're free to sell it where they want.

Anyway, you're really arguing in bad faith when it's known there's no exclusivity. I work for a "Steam competitor" store. We sell all drm (Steam, Uplay, Origin, Bethesda, Social CLub, drm free etc...) depending the studio/publisher. I mean, we're even selling Farming Simulator 19 as Steam or Giants (the dev) key/drm because the publisher gave the choice. So you decide when purchasing if you play it on Steam or on the dev servers. Mind blowing right?
 
Athena

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Alexandros said:
Valve has been steadily introducing new features and functions to the Steam client for many years now.
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I never implied that they didn't. I'm just saying, in general, it would be nice to see more done with the store. Though I realize that "any improvements to their own service" might come across as saying that they never have - I moreso meant that any improvements coming as a result of the arrival of the Epic Games storefront.
 

Echo1

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Oct 25, 2018
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Yeah, people didn't like it because they had to keep it running for just one or two games.

Now people like it because it's a single app that can manage all their games in one place, keep them all up to date, and provides a bunch of other features. Nobody wants to go back to needing another app open for just a couple of games.
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People didn't like it because it was something different, and PC gamers are notoriously resistant to change.

That's it. Again, I was around back then. I remember things.
 
HuskerfanChuck

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From their website:

The store will also feature one free game every two weeks throughout 2019. Epic is funding these free releases so you always have something new to come and check out. The first free game will be Subnautica, available from Dec 14th to Dec 27th, followed by Super Meat Boy from Dec 28th to Jan 10th.
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Also, for those that missed it above, they are yours to keep, as long as you claim them during the free period. You can redownload whenever after the free period runs out.
 
ZugZug123

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Karish said:
This store will obviously improve. Epic is all in on this.
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Cool, where is their roadmap for store improvements for the benefit of the customer that does not include money hatting exclusives?

Will repeat the Tesla analogy people are using, they did not show up with an incomplete car and told people to be patient about missing features. If anything Tesla showed up with a fully functional and compliant car AND it was innovative AND had a bunch of cool bells and whistles to make people want to buy it over the competition. That's how you show up to really compete against established companies.
 
AnimeJesus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do games on the Epic store support the Dual Shock 4...thinking about grabbing Hades but only if it natively supports the PS4 controller.
 
EkStatiC

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's pretty obvious to anyone that right now Epic customers are the developers and they are trying to win them at every cost.

What is more interesting is how Epic will try to win gamers to shop from them.
I suspect with a new version of UE4 that promote creation content from players to all games, they already have the asset store marketplace for developers.
Just make easy for anyone to create something in any game and give them a cut.

What Valve does but in a larger scale...
 
Karppuuna

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How need another store in PC, fuck off Epic. Just concentrate making money of children's how buy you crazily overprice Fortnite skins.
 
Pargon

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EricOfSeattle said:
Do games on the Epic store support the Dual Shock 4...thinking about grabbing Hades but only if it natively supports the PS4 controller.
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The game might have DS4 support, but the client does not offer any of the controller features that Steam Input includes.
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Seems like Discord wants to take a fight vs Epic
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Somehow I doubt you will see developers abandoning Steam for this 90/10 split, unless it also comes with a suitcase full of money.
It doesn't matter what they are claiming about the 88/12 split being good for the industry or all the other "good reasons" they have put forward for abandoning Steam - they're being paid to do it, and having high visibility on a store with a very limited selection of games is a good motivator as well.
It's easy to see why developers would take that deal, but they could at least be honest about it.
 
Hero of Time

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Probably won't be buying anything off the store anytime soon, but I already have it installed for Fortnite, so I'll be getting the free games every 2 weeks.

Sorry if this has already been answered, but do we know yet if all the games on the epic store support could saves? if they don't I probably won't even touch the free games until they do.
 
dex3108

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Hero of Time said:
Probably won't be buying anything off the store anytime soon, but I already have it installed for Fortnite, so I'll be getting the free games every 2 weeks.

Sorry if this has already been answered, but do we know yet if all the games on the epic store support could saves? if they don't I probably won't even touch the free games until they do.
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No cloud saves support for now.
 
Vincent Alexander

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Echo1 said:
You not liking the environment is not a factor. Some of us are old enough to remember when Steam launched and the entire Pc gaming world lost their shit at having to install this 'always running' app to play Counter-strike. Somehow people managed fine, their threats to never use Steam were revealed for the lies that they were and everyone moved on.

What you find comfortable is not a factor for publishers/developers.
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I remember those days...I was one of those people. I lost my shit when I needed Steam for Supreme Commander 2. At least we've all matured now.
 
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