Embarrassing gatekeeping. "I'm playing the REAL GAMES". Sure, bro.Same with Arkane.
Most gamers have terrible taste and just play CoD, FIFA, and Fortnite all day (aka all my friends/roomies).
Embarrassing gatekeeping. "I'm playing the REAL GAMES". Sure, bro.Same with Arkane.
Most gamers have terrible taste and just play CoD, FIFA, and Fortnite all day (aka all my friends/roomies).
Corporate fanboyism is not exclusive to console warriors sadly
Why would MS have snapped them up? They had a decade long partnership that resulted in 2 main games that weren't big successes and the partnership ended. MS and Remedy moved on.I honestly thought Microsoft or Sony would have snapped them up before now.
Indeed, but with one clause. Most publishing deals I've heard of do pay you even if the game doesn't recoup costs (I'm sure there's deals I haven't heard of with this clause). That's the biggest stinger here, but I also get why it exists with everything else, because every other part of the deal is pretty appealing. In most publishing deals I'm aware of, you still get a percentage of profits before the game hits even. With this kinda' deal, you basically have to be secure enough and ready that you'll probably be going several months with no income post-release. Potentially ever if it's that big of a bomba.Isn't that risk with any publishing deal long term if the game doesn't sell well? However you often don't keep the IP nor get as good of a profit split if the publisher paid for all the costs, right?
This kind of mentality is gross.Most gamers have terrible taste and just play CoD, FIFA, and Fortnite all day (aka all my friends/roomies).
Where does it say the games aren't coming to Playstation?
i don't think these are coming to steam a year later...
GenDesign came up with the concept. Even their website says they are a concept studio. Japan Studio was the team developing the game.
Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying. That makes more sense.Indeed, but with one clause. Most publishing deals I've heard of do pay you even if the game doesn't recoup costs. That's the biggest stinger here, but I also get why it exists with everything else, because every other part of the deal is pretty appealing. In most publishing deals I'm aware of, you still get a percentage of profits before the game hits even. With this kinda' deal, you basically have to be secure enough and ready that you'll probably be going several months with no income post-release. Potentially ever if it's that big of a bomba.
That's the main point I'm trying to make, I get the big clause in that aspect of the deal.
Huge loss for Sony & Valve..
Huge gain for most players outside of Playstation ecosystems.
I don't think these games will ever come to Steam.
Epic Games will publish new titles from the makers of The Last Guardian, Limbo, and Control
Epic Games will publish new games from Gen Design (maker of The Last Guardian), Playdead (Inside, Limbo), and Remedy Entertainment (Control).venturebeat.com
Embarrassing gatekeeping. "I'm playing the REAL GAMES". Sure, bro.
Indeed, but with one clause. Most publishing deals I've heard of do pay you even if the game doesn't recoup costs. That's the biggest stinger here, but I also get why it exists with everything else, because every other part of the deal is pretty appealing. In most publishing deals I'm aware of, you still get a percentage of profits before the game hits even. With this kinda' deal, you basically have to be secure enough and ready that you'll probably be going several months with no income post-release. Potentially ever if it's that big of a bomba.
That's the main point I'm trying to make, I get the big clause in that aspect of the deal.
I said gain , since their games werent available outside of Playstation before , obviously there wont be anything changing for Playstation players . It's just rather Sony company itself that lost the talentThis kind of mentality is gross.
Where does it say the games aren't coming to Playstation?
That's a terrible analogy.All I'm saying is that they're just exclusively eating Chipotle, McDonald's, and Domino's when there's a whole world of food out there. Nothing wrong with eating Chipotle, but you should try to expand your palette beyond that.
Sorry you got so rustled, "bro."
They were rumored to acquire Remedy and Gen Studio is along with them since PS1 days. I mean its one reason less to buy their next consoles I sure know people bought PS3 and 4 to play Last Guardian lol
Huge loss for Sony & Valve..
Huge gain for most players outside of Playstation ecosystems.
Yes, most publishing deals you get a lower percentage cut of sales until cost is recouped. In this deal you get no profit until dev cost is recouped. It's a small thing on paper, but I also get that can be a huge qualm for certain studios. I don't want to understate how big a deal this is for creative types, this is an amazing deal and I get why the devs took it, but I also can see that dependently this could lead to a rocky spot once the game is released since they're not seeing profit until dev cost is met. But I also get why it's there, because essentially EPIC is handing over full creative freedom and covering dev cost, so they expect you to give back what they spent on you. A great deal still though.From what i remember reading around the internet you usually get lower % of profits until publisher costs are recouped and then you get higher % after that.
I feel like many people don't realize that Ueda left Sony over eight years ago. He stayed on to finish TLG under contract, not active employment. His options for future work have been wide open.Oh wow. Sony is really going to let Ueda going multiplatform? Well good for all these studios
That happened long ago since genDESIGN been independent for a good while now, this is nothing new.I said gain , since their games werent available outside of Playstation before , obviously there wont be anything changing for Playstation players . It's just rather Sony company itself that lost the talent
He left Sony 9 years ago lol.
For the record I think it's an amazing deal, but like any deal there's some clauses to it. But I also understand why for example, everyone who might be offered the deal might not take it as well.
Agree to disagree instead of us going back and forth saying "Yes, it is" and "Nah, its not" LOL
Well yeah but I just assumed they'd give him funding for his next game after TLG. Oh well, hopefully it continues in that vein, I'll play it wherever it lands.
Bunch of hot takes in here from people who've never signed a publishing deal.
Yes, most publishing deals you get a lower percentage cut of sales until cost is recouped. In this deal you get no profit until dev cost is recouped. It's a small thing on paper, but I also get that can be a huge qualm for certain studios. I don't want to understate how big a deal this is for creative types, this is an amazing deal and I get why the devs took it, but I also can see that dependently this could lead to a rocky spot once the game is released since they're not seeing profit until dev cost is met. But I also get why it's there, because essentially EPIC is handing over full creative freedom and covering dev cost, so they expect you to give back what they spent on you. A great deal still though.
I have nothing against deals like this but from business perspective for me personally i couldn't run company from deal to deal. What if they don't land new deal after those 3 years for example what then? Running company is not easy, especially one that can't sustain itself without outside help.
No, I get that. I'm just surprised they didn't secure it with their funding, a la Kojima with DS. I know the two aren't the same, I just thought they'd throw some money at him and keep it exclusive. Doesn't matter to me, I'll play it anywhere, just figured it wouldn't cost that much to do so. His new title has been in production since 2017-18 i think, with the teaser going up end of 2018, so hopefully its relatively close to release (as in by 2022 plz)I feel like many people don't realize that Ueda left Sony over eight years ago. He stayed on to finish TLG under contract, not active employment. His options for future work have been wide open.
I'm thrilled that another Ueda game is coming.
Yeah lets agree to disagree.
Agree to disagree instead of us going back and forth saying "Yes, it is" and "Nah, its not" LOL
They were rumored to acquire Remedy and Gen Studio is along with them since PS1 days. I mean its one reason less to buy their next consoles I sure know people bought PS3 and 4 to play Last Guardian lol
Not a fan of every Remady's outputs (I thought AW was kind of boring) but... He is right though. Most of those popular games are glaringly void and super tired.Embarrassing gatekeeping. "I'm playing the REAL GAMES". Sure, bro.