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Yeah, they've been trying to repurpose this corpse of a mall for years. IKEA was supposed to be moving in to convert the entire thing into a new retail center, but they bailed. Whatever Epic does will be a much better use of the space than the hellhole it's been for the past few years.
Sad to see the mall go, I used to eat there at lunch at least once a week as I work in the area. Good for Epic though...sucks for traffic in that area. Luckily I moved out of Cary even though I still work in the area but WFH is still here so...we shall see. I'm sure things will get back to normal by the time they actually move there. Ugh, that means constructions probably...grrr.
Damn, no more Dave and Busters either.
Yea, I remember when they were trying to make it an IKEA.
Damn, no more Dave and Busters either.
Yea, I remember when they were trying to make it an IKEA.
Offices having a rec area is nothing new. The workshare I work out of had like a full game room and bowling ally.
gyms/workout places are also super common. For many it's a free gym benefit that saves a ton of money and lets you get in some exercise after work before heading home.
gyms/workout places are also super common. For many it's a free gym benefit that saves a ton of money and lets you get in some exercise after work before heading home.
I can say that I miss the gym at my previous employer's office. It was open 24/7, didn't cost me a dime out of pocket, and was usually pretty empty. Having it free and at the office was like getting an extra $500+/yr and about 30 minutes per day of my life back cuz i didn't have to travel to a gym/back home after work - it was just right there.
But I guess it wasn't a problem for me as an amenity because I just said no to anyone trying to encroach on my time.
Smart move. Malls are dying everywhere so it was probably cheaper than trying to buy land and build an office tower on it.
Holy shit. I live in the area and this is...actually insane. Cary Towne Center has been slowly dying for years and there was talk of it being renovated and bought out for a while now, but I think most people expected it to just be another shopping center/mall. Epic buying it is pretty wild. It's only a mile or two from their current location btw.
Product Management for a multi-national company of about 1200 employees. Why? Is this a gotcha?
I live in Raleigh (about a 10 minute drive away). While Cary Towne has been barebones for a good while now, I was hoping they would give it the North Hills Mall treatment. Oh well.
Yeah, there had been plans for exactly that at one point but they must have fallen through. It's a shame because I was also hoping they'd make it like North Hills. Crossroads right down the road isn't doing too hot either. A lot of the businesses there closed over the last year or two.
I think this viewpoint is quite cynical, I have worked in similar environments where everything was provided and I would say that it is really the culture rather than the "things" that dictate how people work. In my opinion these perks and amenities are included as a convenience and as a way to help disconnect with work rather than a ploy by evil leadership to keep people late at work, we were always encouraged to leave work at sensible times and disconnect from work chat/email.
It's just like any other tech company campus.
Which means, yeah, the ultimate business justification is to keep employees on company grounds for as long as possible.
For example, Google's food is amazing, and the company spends about $20 a day per employee providing it. A big cost, but the return on that investment is absolutely massive.
Its gonna be a campus so I am sure they will have company apartments for onboarding. Its usually very hard and stressful to find a space to live when you move to another country so its nice to give new employees a space to live while they figure out a place for their own. I can see this dramatically cutting back the time you need to get up and running which is important for a company.
Where I work we have company apartments all over the city, these are all small apartments we can live in for free for up to 3 months while you look for your own space and it made the onboarding process a breeze. I could just focus on the game and the work and the team while I could take the time to look for a place to live. plus I could use the 3 months rent I did not have to pay to build up a small financial buffer to make the rent down payment.
I am not a huge epic games supporter in the last few years as they went from doing some really cool project to 100 percent fortnite and going power hungry, but having spaces for employees to relieve the stress they still get when working normal hours is just good. You can see it as BS to keep employees working over hours and I am 100 percent sure epic still has crunch, but its also just nice as an employee to have the ability to do some non work activities while still be able to get back to work easily by having a lot of things in the same building.
employees can still go somewhere else for lunch if they want to. its just easier to cut on commute and things like that.
There are so many pros and cons to having a company campus, to not having one, to working at home. You cant just call it a company gotcha to keep ppl there since everybody is different.
For example working from home is almost the same thing. Sure you work at home but then you also combine home with work, so you spend more time working. Its easier to keep working a few hours extra since you cut out on commute, you are in your comfy space, just work until you go to bed and I see nobody complaining about companies trying to go full working from home. Companies profit a lot from working from home. they don't need to spend millions of dollars a year on working space, electricity, water, food, they can just offload that all on the employees.
Where I work we have company apartments all over the city, these are all small apartments we can live in for free for up to 3 months while you look for your own space and it made the onboarding process a breeze. I could just focus on the game and the work and the team while I could take the time to look for a place to live. plus I could use the 3 months rent I did not have to pay to build up a small financial buffer to make the rent down payment.
I am not a huge epic games supporter in the last few years as they went from doing some really cool project to 100 percent fortnite and going power hungry, but having spaces for employees to relieve the stress they still get when working normal hours is just good. You can see it as BS to keep employees working over hours and I am 100 percent sure epic still has crunch, but its also just nice as an employee to have the ability to do some non work activities while still be able to get back to work easily by having a lot of things in the same building.
employees can still go somewhere else for lunch if they want to. its just easier to cut on commute and things like that.
There are so many pros and cons to having a company campus, to not having one, to working at home. You cant just call it a company gotcha to keep ppl there since everybody is different.
For example working from home is almost the same thing. Sure you work at home but then you also combine home with work, so you spend more time working. Its easier to keep working a few hours extra since you cut out on commute, you are in your comfy space, just work until you go to bed and I see nobody complaining about companies trying to go full working from home. Companies profit a lot from working from home. they don't need to spend millions of dollars a year on working space, electricity, water, food, they can just offload that all on the employees.
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it was supposed to be an ikea or an chinatown, which would have been more interesting, but it's neat that it won't be vacant/dying any longer.
Yep. Cary overall needs revitalization. This now begs the question — what's going to happen with Dave & Busters (unless I missed it in the OP)?
either relocated or will exit the city completely. Epic should totally make an arcade in its place. especially if they fill it with small games made by their devs
would also be cool if they would have projects from local schools be playable there or local gamejam projects.
kinda surprised they haven't funded game dev/programming classes in the area yet (unless they have and we just haven't heard about them). would be a great advertisement for their complex to hold competitions with schools competing against each other
No. Not at all. (Although it sounds like want it to be...? :) )
I was just curious, that's all. You have somewhat of a morbidly pessimistic attitude about the corporate world and I was just wondering if there was something in your professional background that could shed some light.
No antagonism intended. Thanks for responding.
I think the sq m number ias 10x too big.
Edit: saw it was responded to and changed already.
one already exists
It's actually a neat place to tour, though they came first and have no affiliation to Epic games.
and I know from people who worked there that despite epic.com clearly being a healthcare related thing, it didn't stop people from using the contact page and calling them to complain about issues in Fornite lol.
It should be noted that that epic campus has around 15,246,000 square feet to work with (350 acres). The story I've heard is they wanted to move to a bigger area outside the main area of madison and worked out a deal with some farmers. They didn't look at things closely enough and thought they were paying for 35 acres and were just paying a premium because they liked the location, and eventually learned it was 350 acres instead.
I've always loved the campuses I've worked at, and everything you mentioned w/r/t employee housing and food facilities checks out and will 100% be a part of their plan when building out their new campus.
Even non-campus companies like Valve has temporary employee housing in downtown Bellevue, which was pretty sweet. The new office was also in the same building as Epic (Lincoln Square East). Never did get to pop into Epic's floors, but their lobby looked pretty sweet 😀
