This thread is so embarrassing. How are some of you so in your feelings, salty, defensive, and fanboyish over this statement?
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Epic CEO Tim Sweeney says the PS5 is so impressive it’s ‘going to help drive future PCs’
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Keep cursing like that at me and it won't be good for you. The capability of the drive is beyond what the consumer PC sector can do is not there yet. His Unreal 5 engine takes full advantage of the drive to saturate and take advantage of it's bandwidth. So much anger at the reveal of great tech. If it it was Disney revealing something like this for their cg movies much of this angry commenting wouldn't exist but since it's on a console we must arm ourselves.
The SSD will be internal, there's an expansion bay. And the SSDs need to be "certified", they don't guarantee support for any SSD.
This pre-built has a 320 GB 7200rpm HDD.
No SSD.
Not sure why some people are trying to fabricate this narrative that SSDs are ubiquitous in PCs.
I wished game developers would have moved to Linux at the least, I doubt a gaming OS would be made, but at least Linux could be customized around gaming, or can avoid all the bloat that comes with Windows 10. (video title) "Follow this guide to make Windows 10 update 2934.4b v.2 game ready". I hate going through all of that stuff when I get a big update and it re enable some things or add more things to disable.
We also shouldn't forget that the people who actually regularly buy AAA games on PC, even today, are a small subset of PC gamers, and so any references to things like the Steam hardware surveys don't really go anywhere. And despite it being only a portion of PC gamers, that hasn't stopped devs/publishers from putting out AAA games on PC by the truckload.
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i have 2 nvme SSD drives for my PC. :) 1tb Samsung 970 Pro and 1tb Samsung 970 Evo :)www.resetera.com
Not scientific, but I bet these results are reflective of the PC Gaming community writ large. Anyone in the last ten years that's put a GPU in their computer to play games has almost definitely also put in a SSD. Knowing about GPUs and knowing that SSDs are dollar for dollar the most impressive performance enhancement hardware available goes hand in hand. I'm sure there are millions of PCs being used to game that don't have SSDs, but most PC Gaming is done by ultra casuals that use a box they got from Dell or HP and wouldn't even dream of installing a graphics card, let alone swapping the OS drive. The audience playing AAA games on PC is already defaulting to SSDs. I don' think it would be controversial if AAA games right now started listing SSDs as minimum hardware.
I'm sure the SSD in the PS5 IS impressive, but no one outside of Sony first party is going to fully utilize and design their games around that throughput.
NVMe 3.0 speeds will be the standard eventually, but I can't see mulitplats abandoning SATA SSDs support ANYTIME soon. I don't expect NVME 3.0 as a min spec until at least 2023 (very likely later than that) with the current rate of adoption.
NVMe 3.0 speeds will be the standard eventually, but I can't see mulitplats abandoning SATA SSDs support ANYTIME soon. I don't expect NVME 3.0 as a min spec until at least 2023 (very likely later than that) with the current rate of adoption.
Thanks for the response. That's further out than I would have thought! But I guess few PC games will TRULY take advantage of the SSDs until devs focus on next gen only and not the cross gen stuff. And that isn't likely to happen until at least the end of 2021.
I guess I will hold off on building a new PC for now.
There is no proof for either claim, steam survey is honestly shit & doesn't count details like 144hz, SSD, etc.
Ah, the lead-up to new consoles. Some things never change. And yes, these things happen every generation. Nobody was calling the PS4 CPU a low-tier laptop CPU at the start of the generation. That is revisionist history. It was all sparkles and rainbows and things developers had never been able to do before.
How quickly people forget about "Supercharged PC Architecture" lol
How quickly people forget about "Supercharged PC Architecture" lol
If the PS5 bombs, it's not because of the system architecture. So no. Still drive a truckload of money to Cerny's house. Invest in the successful pieces.
In b4 'that doesn't count because it's not a behind the back third person story game with trees'
I think I was pretty clear with my caveat for "a handful of games". This is in comparison to the heyday of PC gaming in the 90s and early 2000s where a huge part of the industry was largely focused on the platform and pushing the medium forward from a technical and design perspective. DOOM, Deus Ex, Thief, Half Life, FarCry, Wing Commander, WRPGS, Battlefield etc. The PC gaming arena has recovered significantly over the last generation from a very bad period during the mid and late 00s, but it's obviously not the same. In that that context, in regards the what Sweeney said back then, and what happened to developers who were PC focused(like Epic) prior to the arrival of the Xbox 360, the market for making AAA and exclusive PC games absolutely did die off, entire genres and companies disappeared, and it has only very recently recovered. I mean I think it's telling that Microsoft essentially killed it's PC gaming efforts for a decade, and only recently came back to it.
Steam stats tell us that ~25% of users still have dual core CPUs, and only ~45% have 16GBs+ of RAM. In that context it's pretty likely that the number of users who are playing games from SSDs, let alone SSDs and related systems even close to what we are talking about here, are probably fairly low at the moment. It's still seen as non-essential compared to say a new GPU.
I'm sure there will be fairly rapid adoption because of what is happening in the console space, but taking advantage of newer SSDs essentially requires a new build all together, whereas it's a little bit easier with GPUs you can plunk them into systems 5+ years old and get most of the benefits.
"Storage architecture" encompasses more than the drive itself. The PS5 has custom hardware dedicated to I/O that you won't find in off-the-shelf PC parts. That's the point he's making:
He's saying, yes, you can buy an SSD of similar speed, but there's more to processing data than simply reading it from a drive.
I wouldn't rely on Steam hardware stats for anything. I don't know anyone who opts into those. I don't give info to anyone and haven't for years.
This is what i mean by steam stats are shit, people sign in on their old laptop to play DOTA2 & people pretend that's the average PC, the most popular resolution gives away that laptops muddle the stats.
Never realized I played on a dead platform back then. Seems all the PC communities didn't get the memo either :(
If that were the case, the CPU overhead of decompressing, even if you use a i9-9900k to its fullest, would surpass 9GB/sec.
It's certainly BETTER to offload that workload on a fixed platform, but it's not faster...
Lmao i just finishing up reading the comments and it's absolutely embarrassing...we should all be excited about the future after today's showing of actual real time gameplay instead of the usual smoke & mirrors
Wat?
When did we hear this? All I remember is basically everyone saying the X1 and PS4 were using mobile graphic card solutions and lots of LULZ and the games wouldn't be a step up.
The hardware decompressor in the PS5 equates to 9 Zen 2 cores, and the DMA controller equates to 2 Zen 2 cores, and then there are also co-processors for I/O and memory mapping which means that you would probably need a 20 core Zen 2 CPU to decompress that amount of data while playing a game. An i9-9900K can't do that, you might even struggle with a high-clocked 3950X, but a 3960X threadripper for ~1500€ should have enough processing power.
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Dunno what people can't grasp what he's saying. It will help push things forward by raising the baseline. There's no need to get all nasty over it.
Are they really muddying the stats though? If the vast majority of PC users are playing MOBAs on low-spec hardware, then that's just what the market is. Those playing on high-end rigs are the exception, not the norm.
"The new drive, which Sony claims is faster than any on-market device available right now"
Hahaha what? Calling BS on this, if you can't provide hard numbers to back this up you might as well just go the whole mile and claim the entire console is better than anything ever invented, ever...
Hahaha what? Calling BS on this, if you can't provide hard numbers to back this up you might as well just go the whole mile and claim the entire console is better than anything ever invented, ever...
I thought the SSDs in PS5 aren't even out on the market for PC yet?
But it's true? The fastest single-drive SSDs you can buy right now can only do 5 GB/s. The PS5 can do 5.5 GB/s, and 9 GB/s with decompression.
Yeah this seems a bit much, reminds me of PS4's early hype. We will see anyway, gonna be some bans when we see PC vs NG Console benchmarks for sure, the shitposting gonna be on point.The hardware decompressor in the PS5 equates to 9 Zen 2 cores, and the DMA controller equates to 2 Zen 2 cores, and then there are also co-processors for I/O and memory mapping which means that you would probably need a 20 core Zen 2 CPU to decompress that amount of data while playing a game. An i9-9900K can't do that, you might even struggle with a high-clocked 3950X, but a 3960X threadripper for ~1500€ should have enough processing power.
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If you sell a graphically intensive game, then no that's not what the market is. You cater to a different market, you look at different numbers.
It's not hard to look up, just find an NVMe SSD that can push 5.5GB/s available for sale.
lol c'mon bruhThe hardware decompressor in the PS5 equates to 9 Zen 2 cores, and the DMA controller equates to 2 Zen 2 cores, and then there are also co-processors for I/O and memory mapping which means that you would probably need a 20 core Zen 2 CPU to decompress that amount of data while playing a game. An i9-9900K can't do that, you might even struggle with a high-clocked 3950X, but a 3960X threadripper for ~1500€ should have enough processing power.
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It's seem a lot of people are pretending PS5's are in their living room right now, E18 NVME's are not out yet, just like PS5. Sweeny/Sony bragging about the PS5 SSD is a half truth, there is no SSD on the market that fast at the moment, but PS5 isn't out yet either.
and they stated these SSD's will have to meet the requirements or be better than the internal SSD.
thats not even getting into things you can do with raid configurations to essentially double bandwidth.
Really? It's the Playstation, man. Not even from a fanboy perspective, but just a general market perspective, you don't think anyone outside of Sony will put resources into utilizing it?
That off-the-shelf SSD only has two levels of data-criticality (vs six on PS5) and is only just a part of the puzzle. It's the surrounding I/O as well (like the Kraken hardware decompressor, DMA's etc.). You need an 7GB/s of-the-shelf m.2 SSD to have a chance of having it work with the PS5 in the first place (and again, leaning on the surrounding PS5 I/O).
Man, that was such a good gem. People buy everything these days.
Christ this thread is a fucking embarrassment. Like literally it just implies that ps5 allows for greater development across the board due to baseline improvements but some of y'all so damn insecure that you feel attacked and are looking at stuff to attack. Jesus
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The fastest consumer SSD is 5GB/s atm, we'll have 7.5GB/s coming out in a few months...probably before PS5 launch.
Additionally Ryzen 3 CPUs are the only CPUs that can actually make use of PCIe 4.0 speed, every other CPU including every single Intel CPU tops out at PCIe 3.0 speed i.e. 3.5GB/s.
Fair enough, I didn't see those specs listed in the OP and the wording made it sound like they had yet to provide them. 2 of those in RAID would beat the ps5 though.