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Epic CEO Tim Sweeney says the PS5 is so impressive it’s ‘going to help drive future PCs’
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PC officially dead, boysUnreal on PS5
Unreal on PC
????
it most certainly is not. lol
Games are software no?
PC have had SSDs for years yes, but how many games require them?
PlayStation Studios pretty much have one SKU to focus on (outside of multi-plat games like MLB etc.) so they have a minimum spec SSD to target.
Well yes, that's my point. It isn't the hardware itself that will drive future upgrades, it's new games.
Indeed. I'm looking forward to buying a new PC in 2022 when next gen actually hits its stride.
What other big budget games are being made as PC exclusive or PC first at this point? Outside of a handful, everything is developed for the lowest common denominator, i.e. console ports.
Yea, I think that's the point. If the console hardware causes the software developers to start pushing towards a new standard (minimum level of SSD I/O) then this is what PS5 hardware is pushing.
If that is Tim Sweeney's point then I have absolutely no idea how this is any different than any other previous console generation. It has been the case since I don't know how many years that consoles as products aimed at the mainstream market set the baseline for a number of years.
Same as every generation. It's great!
As usual, PC and Console inform each other in a lot of interesting ways. At the start of a generation, generally the console capabilities more fixed nature establishes where games go, an PC augments that. The PC hardware is already there (or in the case of nvme drives, already exceptionally close) and with even more capable hardware out before the console even release
As usual, PC and Console inform each other in a lot of interesting ways. At the start of a generation, generally the console capabilities more fixed nature establishes where games go, an PC augments that. The PC hardware is already there (or in the case of nvme drives, already exceptionally close) and with even more capable hardware out before the console even release
Games like Cyberpunk and Control were developed on PC as a lead platform regardless of whether they are "exclusive". I think that was the point they were making.
In terms of actual exclusives though, sure it's a handful. I suppose you could include Gears Tactics and Flight Sim perhaps.
But I like the fact that PC is more powerful than consoles, and that games are developed first and foremost with consoles in mind, because it means those games run at 60fps+, 4k and with all the bells and whistles on PC. If that makes sense.
I can't wait for us to find out the real non-marketing scoop on SSDs.
How fast is "fast enough"? Will 2.4GB/s lead to a compromised experience? Will 5.5GB/s be placebo-tier?
I want to get an SSD for games on my PC, but I don't want to spend $200 for a 1TB drive that will be outdated come 2021.
How fast is "fast enough"? Will 2.4GB/s lead to a compromised experience? Will 5.5GB/s be placebo-tier?
I want to get an SSD for games on my PC, but I don't want to spend $200 for a 1TB drive that will be outdated come 2021.
So when Sony actually puts out a game that requires that much data, then they release that game on PC... this is when it will drive PC as a platform to adopt SSDs? Which it already did years ago?
I think they did this because to show how amazing were those rocks, i said god daaamn!..
Oh, also release the PC 2 already! xp
I simply take this with the fact that PC games will see a big uplift in minimum requirements in the next couple of years.
Seems pretty realistic to me.
Having such powerful CPU, GPU and fast SSD in a closed architecture where everything is optimized to reduce bottlenecks will have consequences.
I find more interesting the comments about Sony's involvement in the development of the engine and the fact that the system seems to be really fast and balanced in all the aspects of the pipeline.
Seems pretty realistic to me.
Having such powerful CPU, GPU and fast SSD in a closed architecture where everything is optimized to reduce bottlenecks will have consequences.
I find more interesting the comments about Sony's involvement in the development of the engine and the fact that the system seems to be really fast and balanced in all the aspects of the pipeline.
I'm already excited for when benchmark organizations like GamersNexus get their hands on next-gen consoles and start to run SSD tech benches against what is available on PC.
Give me all that raw non-marketing flavored performance data!
It's so weird to me that Sony will not (seemingly) sell their SSD as an option to upgrade for PS5.
I know they said they will support off-the-shell SSD, but I'm the meantime, they should be packing the same SSD on the console and sell them! Many people will buy them for PS5 AND PC.
I know they said they will support off-the-shell SSD, but I'm the meantime, they should be packing the same SSD on the console and sell them! Many people will buy them for PS5 AND PC.
I still remember the supercharged PC architecture... I don't buy any of those console pre launch claims. Hell if my GTX 670 had 4 GB of Vram I would still be gaming on that just fine.
Not PCs to adopt SSDs.
For PC games to start using SSDs are a minimum spec, so that the I/O is expected at minimum.
PS5 will support external SSDs, so even PS5 exclusives will need to run on these off the shelf SSDs as a baseline, whatever lowest speed SSDs they allow
The majority of PC owners don't have SSDs, I think. It would be required from that point on.
People are really questioning this? Multiplat devs are absolutely going to get tired of speccing their games to work on HDDs given how easy next-gen dev will be in that regard. I remember 8-core CPU adoption picked up pretty damn quick after 2013, as well.
Incorrect, they said you can use any external drive you want for fridge storage. They will release a list of approved SSDs that meet the requirement that you will be able to install in the expansion bay, you won't be able to play a PS5 game from a drive slower than the stock SSD
Incorrect, they said you can use any external drive you want for fridge storage. They will release a list of approved SSDs that meet the requirement that you will be able to install in the expansion bay, you won't be able to play a PS5 game from a drive slower than the stock SSD
What I got from Mark Cerny conference is that it's not only the speed, but the way it was built. I think it has many more "threads" or something to access information more quickly simultaneously, which normal SSD in the market don't have yet. That's the reason that Sony will have to approve SSDs to be used in the PS5.
Total War Games, Age of Empires 4;
Basically everything Firaxis or Sega Europe, or Paradox Game Studios makes;
Every MMO out there (not my genre, but there are tons of them)
I am curious. Do you also follow comments made by Carmack and make the same comments?
I don't think so. There is custom hardware and the article is saying Epic has been there along the way which implies they've been working with the API / interface and possibly helped in its development. What this means is that UE5 is ready to take advantage of the PS5 SSD which is what you want to advertise to game developers / studios. This is more than some generic "take advantage of SSD speed."
PCs don't have hardware decompression.
We also don't know how things like 4K random reads perform on the PS5 compared to NVMe drives on PC. That's where a lot of NVMe drive performance falls short even if they can do 5GB/s sequential.
What I'm waiting for is next-gen Optane drives - those are the real upgrade over earlier NVMe SSDs.
I'm not exactly thrilled about having to wait until there's hardware fast enough to push these 30 FPS games to 90–120 FPS. Or paying for it.
The effective typical throughput of 8 to 9 GB/s compressed is what is really impressive. The fact this thing can handle 22 GB/s compressed in ideal albeit limited scenarios is almost unbelievable. It's not just the SSD but the whole of the hardware-accelerated architectural improvements to the I/O Pipeline in general that's making this possible. I think people really underestimated Cerny when it came to this decision. This really is looking like it was indeed a game changer.
Not really.
AMD only started selling a mainstream 8-core in 2017, and Intel only jumped in with the 9900K in late 2018.
The FX 8350 was closer to a 4C/8T chip due to the way the "cores" were set up (according to Windows 10 anyway lmao). The PS4 CPU was so weak that a 4C Sandybridge i5 could still dominate it with half the threads.
Sony doesn't have to show the console or any game to trounce MS attempts at marketing. Shows how out of touch their marketing department is.
You were suggesting that there will be some lower baseline for SSD performance that PS5 games will need to account for because of games being played from external SSDs, which is incorrect.
Most PC gamers do, but it's a SATA SSD, NVME's are still niche because people don't think you need them.
2022 is going to be exciting times for anyone upgrading their PC. Lots of good stuff in the works; DDR5, PCIe 5.0, multi-chip module GPUs, etc.
You were implying that games would need to be designed based on external USB SSDs since the ps5 supports usb ssd, but games cannot be played directly from the usb ssd, which can only be used as cold storage for games or to run bc ps4 gamws.
To actually play the ps5 games, it needs to be installed to the internal ssd or the expandable ssd slot for ssd drives approved to work.
Well you really don't need them, maybe in few years once next-gen gets going and even then need will be niche (read: gaming).
I find the fact that this demo ran at 1440p kinda cool
Just so pointless going for true 4k and i'll always say that, especially with how many upscaling techniques that we have now.
4k is objectively nice, it's super clean and i've seen it with my own eyes toggling between 1440p and 4k on the Witcher 3 + AC Unity, but it is a massive waste of resources when there's so many other things that could be prioritised.
Just so pointless going for true 4k and i'll always say that, especially with how many upscaling techniques that we have now.
4k is objectively nice, it's super clean and i've seen it with my own eyes toggling between 1440p and 4k on the Witcher 3 + AC Unity, but it is a massive waste of resources when there's so many other things that could be prioritised.
And its so silly. What tim said is a fact and not an opinion.
This is false. Sony already said they'd let us know which drives we'll be able to use as they will not be in the consumer space at launch (meaning current hardware we can buy will not work). Faster drives will be releasing at a later date after PS5 launch. They will not allow drives slower than their internal drive--it will be the new standard.
Fast SSD will infact improve games. Power of the cloud was always a talking point that never came to fruition. Maybe the Flight Simulator using data to generate landscapes.