Is Konda another equivalent translation of her last name or do you keep misspelling the name of the person you're criticizing others for mispronouncing?
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English speakers should learn proper pronunciation of certain foreign names
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Is Konda another equivalent translation of her last name or do you keep misspelling the name of the person you're criticizing others for mispronouncing?
It's not laziness, it's ignorance.
Also, you've spelt her last name as both "Kondo" and "Konda" and this angers me.
Also, you've spelt her last name as both "Kondo" and "Konda" and this angers me.
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People from non-English speaking countries always pronounce my last name wrong. They tend to not realize the h is silent.
Funny thread. Weeb away. But I dare you to talk about afro-centric names that you all fuck up all the live long day.
I hate to say it, but Anglification and its equivalents elsewhere exist for a reason. English already is a horrible mismash of many different languages. If you don't know a root word's origin, you can completely botch it because it's French originally, for instance. There are a lot of different languages with non-Latin alphabets. A lot of sounds don't exist in one language or another. And you're busy talking about not liking the sound of a foreign word in English. I hate to say it, but language is about communication first and foremost, not how you personally feel about something. You don't know how seriously a person is taking another person's name- it's entirely possible to just botch it constantly because of unfamiliarity or they don't hear the difference.
I tried to learn Thai for several years before just giving up because I cannot for the life of me tell the difference in tones, especially at a speaking speed. If I botch a Thai name, it's 100% because the language is just so unfamiliar.
I tried to learn Thai for several years before just giving up because I cannot for the life of me tell the difference in tones, especially at a speaking speed. If I botch a Thai name, it's 100% because the language is just so unfamiliar.
I am an expat. If I expected people to use the English pronunciation of my English name while speaking their native language, people would either call me crazy or some kind of linguistic imperialist
This! I try to pronounce name based on the country the owner is based on. Some words are similar to each other but it doesnt mean they are all pronounced the same. That's the very basic example of cultural appropriation
But it is okay if you talking about marie kondo with ur friend. But, it is extremely inappropriate if you are talking to marie herself while saying her name "mary"directly in front of her face.
Why? When you are talking to your friend, you speak in your own language in that case you can culturalize that name. But when you are talking to that person herself or himself, you must address his or her name in appropriate way. Because if not, it means you do not aknowledge the country he or she comes from. To me it is both micro aggresiom and cultural appropriation
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That's not just English speakers though. My boy's name is Kevon and people were calling him Kevin all the time when we went overseas lol.
A more accurate title would be: "people should learn to call others by what they wish to be called".
If Marie Kondo is fine with the French reading of her name used by most westerners, then that's fine. If she were to correct people all the time, then it would be very disrespectful to intentionally keep using the wrong name.
If Marie Kondo is fine with the French reading of her name used by most westerners, then that's fine. If she were to correct people all the time, then it would be very disrespectful to intentionally keep using the wrong name.
English speakers pronounce Chile "chili" and I got into a huge argument once about it. I was aghast to hear a Mexican American friend of mine also pronounce it that way. It's even like this on Wikipedia's pronunciation! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile)
Ryokan > Ryu
Ryokan > Ryu
I also know some people tend to mispronounce some brand names like yves saint laurent, luis vuitton, peugeot, etc.
As a deaf person, I wouldn't have any idea how to pronounce anything if I can't hear it being pronounced. :/ Deaf accent does a lovely job of screwing up things as it is anyway. (...my husband gets called "Silber" a lot.)
I am a supervisor and I work with a lot of artists from all over the world. I try my best to learn pronunciation. A lot of people will butcher the pronunciation of foreign names and I just cringe... but I don't really want to correct them all the time as it must be tiring for foreigners to constantly talk about how to pronounce their name.
Also, a lot of them call me by my surname. Doesn't bother me but it's interesting that it goes both ways :p
Also, a lot of them call me by my surname. Doesn't bother me but it's interesting that it goes both ways :p
I hope you see the irony of this mistake and learn from it.
This is quite a claim without receipts or even meaningful examples. Most people haven't seen the show - the SNL exposure is likely a joke that flew over a lot of heads, let alone the vagaries of pronunciation. And the Netflix UI - if you don't watch the show (and as you point out, even when you do if you listen to the families) you're gonna think her name is Marie.
If I spent my life correcting Americans for mispronouncing "Glasgow" as "Glass-gow" (it's "Glaz-goh") and Edinburgh as "Edin-burg" (it's "Ed-in-burr-uh") not only would it be a rude, intolerant waste of everyone's time including my own - as well as showing a profound misunderstanding of where and how these words are encountered, learned and adapted - it is true also true to some extent between every major variation in language and often by region or a district.
My father-in-law calls one of his own daughter's "Cassie" - her name is NOT CASSIE. Language and communication aren't just proninciation, thank god - and intent and context can fill in those gaps.
People learning a new language, moving to or traveling to a new place have a special responsibility to pronounce words properly - but the general population doesn't have time, necessity or tools. Hell we don't even use the right word for whole countries. See Germany, Japan etc. I'm not saying we shouldn't or can't or won't, just that most people aren't thinking about it at all. Most Americans never travel abroad. Are working paycheck to paycheck. Can only speak one language. Call "Chipotle" "Chah-pole-tay" and it's fine. We know what they mean. They're note bieng disrespectful.
And we have weird stuff like brits anglicizing multiple languages and France defining Vietnamese in the European alphabet and yet it all sort of works. I like it in fact. It's OK.
My wife loves the marie kondo show so I was curious and when she introduces herself I hear MAH-REE-A KONDO, not mah-lee-a as OP says. Not Mary, but Maria like Mariah Carey. Am I bad at hearing?
https://youtu.be/WvyeapVBLWY?t=22
https://youtu.be/WvyeapVBLWY?t=22
I think the OP's point is about the intended Japanese phonetic - vs the actual content of the sound, which makes it really difficult for me to parse his ultimate point, if so. But I hear what I interpret the soft Japanese "u-R" which is frequently used for "L" so maybe my ears are racist. Like the way my Japanese colleagues or friends would say "Lamborghini" isn't quite "Ramborghini" but more like "u-ramborghini" wiuth a bit of "L" in it. No idea how to capture it in english.
Do you pronounce Mariah Carey's name like West Side Story's Maria?
I've seen the Japanese R being written as L quite a few times. Both in French and English.
The English R sounds like a vowel, really, and the French R comes from the back of the throat. In both languages the L-sound is formed with the tip of the tongue, which is closer to the Japanese R sound... Hence the approximation.
The Japanese R is like the Italian one but with just one single trill. Although some Japanese speakers definitely pronounce Rs like Ls (probably because the tip of the tongue stays too long on the alveolar ridge... And it stops being a trill). But it doesn't matter to them as all these sounds are allophones (objectively different sounds that nevertheless don't contribute to a change in meaning... Like the B/V in Spanish).
But no, your ears aren't racist! (some info)
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My name is Zamaan. Like The Man but with a Z.
I've heard people here (UK) pronounce it as Zaamun, Zamnam, Zim-un, and a few other weird af attempts.
It gets annoying.
I've heard people here (UK) pronounce it as Zaamun, Zamnam, Zim-un, and a few other weird af attempts.
It gets annoying.
Yeah, this. There are three main ways to pronounce the Japanese R. Like you mention, the alveolar tap is the default, but some speakers pronounce it as a L which sounds softer and more feminine. On the opposite end, some speakers roll their Rs which sounds harsher and more masculine (and makes you sound like a gangster haha).
Always funny to see English (and most non-Latin or non-Arab based languages, really) speakers trying to say:
Or even some town names:
Foreign languages are hard OP. Unless you have constant and direct contact with one, it's never that easy to pronounce things correctly without some actual time and effort to learn all the different nuances. It can be laziness in some cases, sure, but more often than not it's just not knowing any better really.
- José
- João
- Frederico
- Inês
- Joana
Or even some town names:
- Guimarães (literally have not ever heard any non-Portuguese nail this one)
- Estremoz
- Valença
- Águeda
Foreign languages are hard OP. Unless you have constant and direct contact with one, it's never that easy to pronounce things correctly without some actual time and effort to learn all the different nuances. It can be laziness in some cases, sure, but more often than not it's just not knowing any better really.
Foreigners trying to pronounce English (as in England) placenames is always amusing.
For instance the two closest places to me are Loughborough and Leicester. The amount of times people mispronounce them are numerous.
For instance the two closest places to me are Loughborough and Leicester. The amount of times people mispronounce them are numerous.
This is definitely not an "english-speaker" issue, but rathern an American one. In my experience Brits and UK-like english accents pronounce things way differently, and in the case of japanese names like the op mentions, way closer to their accurate pronunciation
I have mixed feelings on that. On German football commentary we have a few people who go out of their way to pronounce foreign names like a native of the country of origin would or how they've heard from the club or the player's management. Everybody then is politically correct and follows their example, even if you think it sounds off. Then, sometimes years later it turns out that those people were wrong and the pronounciation is actually closer how you would normally read or instinctually do it, so everybody sounded and looked foolish for years.
When a pronounciation is widely accepted and seems to make sense, use it even if it might be slightly wrong!
When a pronounciation is widely accepted and seems to make sense, use it even if it might be slightly wrong!
The whole Leicester ordeal when they won the Premier was quite fun to watch lol
Though I 100% can't say Loughborough properly. I'd have to hear it quite a few times and repeat the word to get it.
I agree 100%. I always try my best to do this. Being someone who has a terrible short term memory and is terrible with names it doesn't always work out.
I've actually taken to righting down names and hints, the simple act of doing that cements the name in my head more often than not.
I've actually taken to righting down names and hints, the simple act of doing that cements the name in my head more often than not.
Most people pronounce it "luff-bra" or if you wanted to pronounce it fully "luff-buh-ra". There are lots of "borough" place names in England so you'd have an easier time with them if you can figure that out.
So it's similar to Edinburgh (aka Eh-din-buh-ruh) then? Nice. Are most "**borough" places pronounced like that then?
Ehhh. My name is Daniel, and I was born in Mexico. I don't expect English speakers to pronounce my name in Spanish, much less ever get my middle name right. Some people are weird about their name, but most understand. When I went to Blizzcon I was invited to a house party with devs and voice actors. I met with Anjali, the VA for Symmetra. I totally messed up her name, I called her anjAlee and it's more like ahnjlee (I was putting the accent on the second a, but it's really more silent) , but it wasn't her that corrected me. It was Carolina (Sombra's VA). Normally this would've irritated me a bit because I feel it should've been Anjali, not anyone else, that should have corrected me, but I do understand where she's coming from. I just apologized and moved on with the conversation. I did make an effort to get the pronounciation right but I messed up a few times after that. She seemed to appreciate the effort.
My point is, while attempting to get it right should be praised, getting it wrong should not be criticized or condemned.
My point is, while attempting to get it right should be praised, getting it wrong should not be criticized or condemned.
