Engine parts drop from Boeing 747 cargo plane in Netherlands
Longtail Aviation cargo plane scatters small metal parts over Meerssen, injuring woman
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Looks like these engines, which are not Boeing parts, are showing some issues.
Good thing is that it's not like the movies. Airplane engines are pretty sturdy and they have redundancies.
To be fair, the 737 Max was grounded 2 years after launch, while the 747 has been in service for half a century.
Still statistical outliers. Boeing planes are doing thousands of flights per day. Not to defend them. Their MAX fiasco is unforgiveable.
But the human mind hates these associations. Causes a lot of panic. Hopefully, they can resolve it.
But the issue seems to be the engine themselves. The nacelles, so far, have done their jobs which is to contain any issue or explosive force with the engine like the blade separation in this incident. The fact that all these planes landed safely without any hull breach means the structures performed as expected.
This is important context - I'd wager more people probably die worldwide in single popular model of car over a few weeks than die in any Boeing model of aircraft over the course of a year.
Yeah but in this case it doesn't appear the structure is the issue ...yet. We need more time for the investigation.
Isn't this the third one in the last week? The Texas one happened the same day as another one in Europe iirc.
Yes, both failures were Pratt & Whitney 4000 engines. I guess the 747 and 777 use different variants of it, but it's an extremely suspicious coincidence to be sure.
Oh definitely. But something about air travel that creates a lot of panic. It's not rational either. It's our mind playing tricks on us.
Dunno about the 747 engine but the FAA said the 777 engine is only used in 777 planes so Airbus should be fine
You mean Pratt and Whitney.
Boeing is coming out looking good because the planes have had engines fail and still land safely.
Keep in mind we're talking about the 747 and the OG 777. These are old planes. It's possible that the MTBF on the PW engines isn't as high as advertised and they're unexpectedly hitting EoL early.
This incident happened the same day as the Denver incident. It was talked about in the other thread.
Issue appears to be with the PW engine, not the airframe.
Hm, looks like a completely different model of P&W engine had multiple failures during 2019/2020 as well. That's not a good look for them...
I am aware that Boeing doesn't build the turbines. Nevertheless the news headings are all going to have Boeing in them and the general public won't care about such OEM/Supplier details...
That is because the FAA is being very precise.
To use a rough PC comparison, that's like saying that the 3070 and 3080 are completely different video cards, so if Nvidia has an issue with the platform, only one is potentially at risk.
Both the 777 and the A330 use PW4000 series engines.
One uses the PW4000-100. The other uses the PW4000-112.
The 747, A300, A310, 767, and MD-11 use the PW4000-94.
There are 3 different versions of the same engine. These are the different models and the planes they're used on. From Wikipedia.
PW4000-94
Thrust range: 231–276 kN (52,000 lbf – 62,000 lbf)
- Airbus A300-600
- Airbus A310-300
- Boeing 747-400 (and Scaled Composites Stratolaunch)
- Boeing 767-200/-300(Including ER Version and Boeing Converted Freighter version except -300F)/-2C/Boeing KC-46A
- McDonnell Douglas MD-11
Thrust range: 287–311 kN (64,500 lbf – 70,000 lbf)
- Airbus A330
Thrust range: 329–436 kN (74,000 lbf – 98,000 lbf)
- Boeing 777-200, -200ER, -300. (Note that this does not include the -200LR or -300ER).
After Saturday's engine failure, Boeing says many 777s should be grounded
arstechnica.com
After Saturday’s engine failure, Boeing says many 777s should be grounded
Many of the engine components fell over populated areas.
arstechnica.com
My fav Boeing story in recent memory was when they put out a press release early in the pandemic when politicians were trying to figure out how relief should happen for individuals/businesses and spent 3-4 paragraphs talking about how the lack of flying/pandemic decimated their business and how they needed a bailout bad...with no mention of the Max incident.
Quiet as kept, the pandemic was probably the 'best' thing to happen to them; I remember reading reports that due to the grounding of the Max there were questions that they would not be able to deliver 2020 airplane orders and as a result travel would have been disrupted travel before the pandemic did the job for them.
www.nytimes.com
Quiet as kept, the pandemic was probably the 'best' thing to happen to them; I remember reading reports that due to the grounding of the Max there were questions that they would not be able to deliver 2020 airplane orders and as a result travel would have been disrupted travel before the pandemic did the job for them.
Problems Pile Up for Boeing as 737 Max Delays Continue (Published 2019)
The timing is as precarious as ever. Global regulators still need to approve a software fix.
The last 747-400 was built in 2009 so it is an old one. The last BCF model in 1998.
This topic is like three days too late, it is the europe one that happened becks the Texas one.
I'm pretty sure this particular airframe involved in the incident is about 30 years old.
Longtail Aviation VQ-BWT (Boeing 747 - MSN 24975) (Ex 9V-SMI D-ACGC EW-511TQ PH-MPQ VT-AIQ ) | Airfleets aviation
Longtail Aviation VQ-BWT (Boeing 747 - MSN 24975) (Ex 9V-SMI D-ACGC EW-511TQ PH-MPQ VT-AIQ ) details, operators, engines, seating, photos
www.airfleets.net
Ah thanks. I checked the article but didn't see a date, probably overlooked it.
I'm pretty sure this particular airframe involved in the incident is about 30 years old.
Longtail Aviation VQ-BWT (Boeing 747 - MSN 24975) (Ex 9V-SMI D-ACGC EW-511TQ PH-MPQ VT-AIQ ) | Airfleets aviation
Longtail Aviation VQ-BWT (Boeing 747 - MSN 24975) (Ex 9V-SMI D-ACGC EW-511TQ PH-MPQ VT-AIQ ) details, operators, engines, seating, photos
Well, in that case I guess the blame is less on Boeing and more on the Airlines not doing proper maintenance, or running the aircraft beyond their lifespans.
Until we actually know what happened we have no idea what's gone wrong or where to apportion blame.