After the live-action remake of Beauty and the Beast looked like it should be called "RE: Internet forum nitpicks about Beauty and the Beast 1991," there was a lot of concern that Cinemasins and its ilk were destroying movies by encouraging movie studios to obsess over minor details that weren't important to the story. The Beauty and the Beast remake goes into tons of details that don't matter at all to close up plot holes no one actually cared about other than Cinemasins etc.
But now Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all time despite every moment being a huge plot contrivance for drama's sake.
The opening of the movie is mostly fine when it comes to logic. Captain Marvel finds Tony but it takes a good bit of time for her to do so. Then they find Thanos in a way that makes sense and they manage to defeat Thanos easily because Captain Marvel and Thor at full power vs Thanos at like 40% and with no stones is not a real fight.
And then the movie goes completely off the rails with nothing believable happening at any point.
1. A rat activates the van letting Ant Man out of the quantum realm... Somehow.
2. Ant Man has not aged at all in these five years despite... This being a huge and major point of Ant Man and the Wasp! You do age in the quantum realm! That was two movies ago!
3. Ant Man not aging in the quantum realm is a plot hole that is not a minor thing but sets the entire movie in motion with him being like "well I didn't age so what if we did time travel?"
4. Tony discovers time travel in like one to two days.
5. Hulk almost discovers time travel in like three days.
At this point, the Avengers have infinitely many advantages and the movie has no potential tension so a lot of really ridiculous stuff is introduced to keep the drama up.
6. They don't wait for Captain Marvel.
7. They only have enough Pym Particles to do two time travels each I guess.
8. But then they find a ton of Pym Particles pretty easily so IDK.
9. Nebula, who has grown a lot as a person, seemingly does not tell Hawkeye or Black Widow about the fact that one of them will have to die to get the stone. Why she didn't tell them is completely unclear.
10. Nebula's network fucks up and alerts Alt Thanos to their plans... feels weird she didn't manage to get it patched or updated in five years. Feels weird it works this way... I mean, maybe it could but it's super convenient for the plot.
Then there's the big fight scene and after the wizards and Wakanda army and other heroes arrive, the fight is clearly over. The fight is especially over when Captain Marvel shows up. So there needs to be some way for Thanos to possibly win. So a bunch of dumb things happen to make this ending interesting at all because Thanos needs to have a chance and Tony needs to die.
11. They decide they need to return the stones to the past IMMEDIATELY for some reason instead of like... just having Dr. Strange teleport them away to some stupid place Thanos couldn't find for a couple of days.
12. To return the stones to the past immediately, they decide to have like... Spider-Man and other heroes like Spider-Man dodge through Thanos' army to get to the van to return to the past. Instead of like... having Dr. Strange teleport Scarlet Witch carrying the gauntlet.
13. The writers clearly realized how Dr. Strange immediately solves every issue the Avengers have in this fight and have him fight a natural disaster but like... Other wizards are around to do the teleporting.
14. Instead of Captain Marvel just using the gauntlet or maybe just a couple of stones to get a bit more powerful to kill Thanos she doesn't and instead, a human with no powers in Tony has to use the gauntlet and thus obviously dies.
Basically every event in the movie is hyper contrived and you know what? People still love the movie! Thor and Tony have touching and powerful stories in the movie, seeing Tony reunite with Spider-Man is emotional, seeing Captain America use Thor's hammer is great, professor Hulk is great, Nebula is a great character, there's a lot of fun fanservice scenes and a lot of funny moments. It's a good movie people really like. The contrivances honestly bother me a decent bit, but the movie has a lot more good than bad. I hope that Endgame can be taken as a sign that people haven't been corrupted into this people who just count plot holes because Endgame is full of huge plot holes and plot contrivances at almost every moment and everyone loves it. People use plot holes often as a way to show a movie is "objectively bad" in internet arguments when they don't like a movie, but they're fine with plot holes in movies that have a lot going for them imo.
But now Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all time despite every moment being a huge plot contrivance for drama's sake.
The opening of the movie is mostly fine when it comes to logic. Captain Marvel finds Tony but it takes a good bit of time for her to do so. Then they find Thanos in a way that makes sense and they manage to defeat Thanos easily because Captain Marvel and Thor at full power vs Thanos at like 40% and with no stones is not a real fight.
And then the movie goes completely off the rails with nothing believable happening at any point.
1. A rat activates the van letting Ant Man out of the quantum realm... Somehow.
2. Ant Man has not aged at all in these five years despite... This being a huge and major point of Ant Man and the Wasp! You do age in the quantum realm! That was two movies ago!
3. Ant Man not aging in the quantum realm is a plot hole that is not a minor thing but sets the entire movie in motion with him being like "well I didn't age so what if we did time travel?"
4. Tony discovers time travel in like one to two days.
5. Hulk almost discovers time travel in like three days.
At this point, the Avengers have infinitely many advantages and the movie has no potential tension so a lot of really ridiculous stuff is introduced to keep the drama up.
6. They don't wait for Captain Marvel.
7. They only have enough Pym Particles to do two time travels each I guess.
8. But then they find a ton of Pym Particles pretty easily so IDK.
9. Nebula, who has grown a lot as a person, seemingly does not tell Hawkeye or Black Widow about the fact that one of them will have to die to get the stone. Why she didn't tell them is completely unclear.
10. Nebula's network fucks up and alerts Alt Thanos to their plans... feels weird she didn't manage to get it patched or updated in five years. Feels weird it works this way... I mean, maybe it could but it's super convenient for the plot.
Then there's the big fight scene and after the wizards and Wakanda army and other heroes arrive, the fight is clearly over. The fight is especially over when Captain Marvel shows up. So there needs to be some way for Thanos to possibly win. So a bunch of dumb things happen to make this ending interesting at all because Thanos needs to have a chance and Tony needs to die.
11. They decide they need to return the stones to the past IMMEDIATELY for some reason instead of like... just having Dr. Strange teleport them away to some stupid place Thanos couldn't find for a couple of days.
12. To return the stones to the past immediately, they decide to have like... Spider-Man and other heroes like Spider-Man dodge through Thanos' army to get to the van to return to the past. Instead of like... having Dr. Strange teleport Scarlet Witch carrying the gauntlet.
13. The writers clearly realized how Dr. Strange immediately solves every issue the Avengers have in this fight and have him fight a natural disaster but like... Other wizards are around to do the teleporting.
14. Instead of Captain Marvel just using the gauntlet or maybe just a couple of stones to get a bit more powerful to kill Thanos she doesn't and instead, a human with no powers in Tony has to use the gauntlet and thus obviously dies.
Basically every event in the movie is hyper contrived and you know what? People still love the movie! Thor and Tony have touching and powerful stories in the movie, seeing Tony reunite with Spider-Man is emotional, seeing Captain America use Thor's hammer is great, professor Hulk is great, Nebula is a great character, there's a lot of fun fanservice scenes and a lot of funny moments. It's a good movie people really like. The contrivances honestly bother me a decent bit, but the movie has a lot more good than bad. I hope that Endgame can be taken as a sign that people haven't been corrupted into this people who just count plot holes because Endgame is full of huge plot holes and plot contrivances at almost every moment and everyone loves it. People use plot holes often as a way to show a movie is "objectively bad" in internet arguments when they don't like a movie, but they're fine with plot holes in movies that have a lot going for them imo.
