Is that the Father from Far Cry 5?
Oh this guy? Yeah he always gave me the skeevies. carl Lentz
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Ellen Page calls out Chris Pratt's "infamously anti-LGBTQ" church
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I agree, but the reason people don't do it is because the uncomfortable feeling of needing to include basically anyone who's Christian or Muslim that wields influence. The Catholic Church is still centuries in the past, most evangelical churches are just shit in general when it comes to most things (especially majority white American ones), and I would heavily count against the average mosque (I'm including whole world here btw) preaching homosexuality tolerance. Among so much other shit. Lot of powerful people who have dollars supporting some not so kind stuff is really common in the USA.
But I'm all for it. We're way past talking about religion's historical and ongoing role against many human freedoms we've evolved on in the past thousand+ years; since ancient texts crafted by "trustworthy men of X god(s)" told us really how we should all live... or usually suffer the consequences. Woe to the <continue scribbling in those you hate and find icky> people who finds themselves outside of the tribe.
And it persists to this day, crafting most of our laws and invading our lives.
They've demonstrably been against marriage equality. A quick Google search will show that.
Because the people on one side of the argument dont care in the slightest about reality or factual information. Do want a hint for which side it is?
What Pratt is echoing is pretty much the "cocktail words" (as av club puts it) that Hillsong has always spouted, a half-truth. They may welcome gay people to their congregation, but they aren't welcome to take active roles as leadership, spokesperson, or even be employed in any capacity. It's a lopsided semblance of "community" at that point. Plus, with their questionable history, it's bad news all around.
"Hate the sin love the sinner" dressed up in 21st century bullshit.
Ellen Page's claims have long been proven and substantiated. What Chris Pratt is doing is calling all that fake news because they helped him with his divorce.
Atheist Era tried to tell y'all.
We tried to tell ya.
Are you taking his word over the word of everyone else that has pointed out that his church was a homophobic organization? Because it already seems negative when we've got accounts of people mentioning the churches dealings in the past, then Chris coming out and denying it, but not proving the previous allegations were false. That's the negative part. We don't have to look for it. It's there already lol.
We tried to tell ya.
Are you taking his word over the word of everyone else that has pointed out that his church was a homophobic organization? Because it already seems negative when we've got accounts of people mentioning the churches dealings in the past, then Chris coming out and denying it, but not proving the previous allegations were false. That's the negative part. We don't have to look for it. It's there already lol.
Who suggested that Pratt would pivot into politics at a point? That response is quite presidential.
So basically you're here to defend homophobia as as simply a different opinion.
oh my god
give him a cowboy hat and a hipster beard and it's him.
We're not just shooting the shit at the lunchroom table; people have lost their lives over these "fundamental disagreements".
Reminds me of when people shit on Obama back in the day because his pastor/whatever said incendiary things. A church doesn't make a person.
History repeats itself.
History repeats itself.
Nobody is saying that Pratt is defined by his church, but his membership and fellowship at such a church can only be seen as a tacit endorsement of their practices, no matter how you slice it (especially when he denies their nefarious behavior).
This is a complete distortion of the issue. It's about Pratt endorsing the church and obfuscating the facts of what they actually do. He is endorsing their practices by calling Ellen Page a liar. No one is accusing him of being anti-LGBTQ, we're accusing him of giving cover to an anti-LGBTQ church. He could still attend the place and not try and discredit Ellen Page.
If I'm being honest, if he can't even ackowledge the receipts she has about their practices without leaving the church, maybe he should leave the fucking church. There's plenty of other places to worship Jesus Christ that believe in marriage equality, like the Episcobal church.
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Is it? If the people leading the congregation he's a part of are accepting and supportive and don't do the "love the sinner" condescension garbage isn't that good?
What are you suggesting, exactly? That the church has changed? If the church was no longer anti-LGBTQ+, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
it's fun because the things people got so mad about him saying were "America shouldn't bomb civilians" and "Americans need to stop worshiping their country like it's God"
There is no distinction. The church is the church, every location operates the same way. It doesn't sound like you understand how churches really work.
I'm suggesting he could be telling the truth about his specific church and the people that run it and attend it. It wouldn't be surprising at all. Churchs of the same denomination can have different "cultures" based entirely on those attending and those leading it.
See, this definitely isn't true.
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This is absolutely true for Hillsong. This isn't like a specific Lutheran church operating differently from a Baptist church.
This is more in line with the Church of Scientology which has deceptive and sinister practices while portraying a face of smiling goodwill-and every branch takes its marching orders from the top.
Do you think the Florida churches of Scientology operate differently than the ones in Los Angeles?
I'm not so sure we can consider scientology a typical religion.
All I'm saying is I have no idea what the people leading and attending the specific church he attends believe. To suggest there's no chance this differs from whatever the larger organization's founders or leaders believe is strange. A church will often reflect the community it's in and there hasn't been anything invented that's more open to interpretation than religion so it's nothing if not malleable.
Hillsong isn't an entity with different denominations. That's not how global church networks operate; they're typically bound by a common creed and mission statement and have various implementations of their fundamental belief system. In the case of Hillsong, they're affiliated with the ACC and follow their constitution as the basis for their belief system, which you can read here:
https://www.acc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/UNITED-CONSTITUTION-MAY-2017.pdf
You have no idea what you're talking about in context of churches like Hillsong, and your desperation to give them the benefit of the doubt is suspect. Again, there are receipts.
Is there anything regarding same sex marriage or homosexuality in there?
There isn't anything detailing a list of sins, just a full endorsement of every single word ever written in the bible, which obviously condones the condemnation of any sin, which would include homosexuality. They also believe in hell as eternal punishment.
This is a pretty bog standard conservative christian belief system, and according to that constitution, their views aren't really malleable, regardless of social progress. You should be able to figure out whether or not they support homosexuality based on how well you know the bible.
Every christian church lists those things. Is your position that no christian church accepts homosexuality or gay marriage?
That document also explicitly mentions autonomy.
If that church doesn't define you, then why go somewhere that preaches things you don't believe in? This is talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Religion is bad.
Not every church believes the bible is perfectly inerrant, no. You don't know what you're talking about. And there is no autonomy of the belief in fundamental truths, just logistics.
They list those fundamental beliefs and none of them are gay people are bad or same sex marriage is a sin. You're starting at the conclusion and filling in behind you.
Nothing in that document suggest his statement about his specific church and the people in it is false. It can both be true that the founder said he doesn't support same sex marriage and that this specific church has leadership and a congregation that is perfectly accepting of it. One isn't evidence the other is a lie.
Where's the evidence to support that this particular church is especially accepting of LGBT individuals when Hillsong as a whole has been documented as homophobic?
His statement that his specific church doesn't believe that.
No. I just used to read the bible as a "practicing" christian growing up and happen to know it very well (even though I'm openly atheist now). If a church declares the bible wholly and perfectly inerrant, they believe that the bible is right when it says that homosexuality is a sin. If a church believes that homosexuality is not a sin, they do not believe that the bible is wholly and perfectly inerrant.
I've made no comments as to what the leaders of his church location said because it doesn't matter, as their church supports the constitution that supports the scriptures in the bible that the support the notion that homosexuality is a sin. It's just a matter of connecting the dots.
Then he should update the Hillsong website.
The document you linked to felt it necessary to spell out specific fundamental tenants of their belief system. Why doesn't it just say "see bible" under that section of the document?
Nothing you've shown is evidence of how his specific church operates. It is 100% possible that the church leadership in Australia is homophobic, Chris Pratt isn't, and the congregation of the church he attends isn't either.
You've gotta be fucking kidding me:
You've presented multiple bad faith arguments and continue to put your head in the sand when your points are refuted. I'm done engaging in this conversation. You're literally a troll.
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns surrounding homophobia and antagonizing other members; long history of trolling and disruptive behavior
Oh, literally a troll? Not figuratively?
I'm not the one approaching this with an agenda.
I mean I wasn't convinced until I saw the emojis of praying hands. I mean how can one even argue with such an airtight argument??