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Elements of the Final Fantasy VII established in the FFVII Compilation series will be included in the Remake
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Oh don't get me wrong. I love Zack and his story is pivotal and intertwined with the core themes of the story
There was just.... so much weird shit they put in Crisis Core. They really only ever needed to focus on his story but then decided to add all this ancillary shit expanding the "lore" in places it never needed to go
That game needed a damn butcher knife taken to it in some respects
Cloud struggling with his identity after being abused by an evil corporation is way more interesting than most of the Crisis Core stuff. I'm not sure why he's a shitty character, could you expand on that?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ugh
whatever
hopefully the fact that they'll go into more detail will make it better
Gives me an excuse to replay Dirge of Cerberus I suppose
Ugh
whatever
hopefully the fact that they'll go into more detail will make it better
Gives me an excuse to replay Dirge of Cerberus I suppose
You mean don't hide cutscenes in a random waterfall that have a pivotal character for him? FFVII was really absolutely terrible about hiding those cutscenes in random places. It makes the story even more convoluted than it needs to be.
lmao
I don't know why some people keep acting like EVERYTHING in the Compilation was bad.
We had a terrible thing(Genesis) and the people keep assuming that everything else is shitty too. Spoiler: it's not.
And Nomura isn't just gonna put everything there, he's gonna use only what's makes sense to him. I'm sure that Genesis nonsense will stay away from the game.
Crisis Core does a good job in fleshing out Zack, Before Crisis gives background on the old AVALANCHE, the Turks, Midgar and Shinra, Dirge(not really a fan of that one tho) does a good job with Vincent(mostly).
There are good things to be taken from the Compilation, let's just hope he doesn't take the bad ones.
I don't know why some people keep acting like EVERYTHING in the Compilation was bad.
We had a terrible thing(Genesis) and the people keep assuming that everything else is shitty too. Spoiler: it's not.
And Nomura isn't just gonna put everything there, he's gonna use only what's makes sense to him. I'm sure that Genesis nonsense will stay away from the game.
Crisis Core does a good job in fleshing out Zack, Before Crisis gives background on the old AVALANCHE, the Turks, Midgar and Shinra, Dirge(not really a fan of that one tho) does a good job with Vincent(mostly).
There are good things to be taken from the Compilation, let's just hope he doesn't take the bad ones.
That would be cool if done right, also we need more Zack.
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I mean, Deepground was founded and the underground reactor beneath ShinRa HQ built 30 years before FF7, and that's established in the lore, so you very well might encounter Deepground people in FF7R. The story detail in the background of Dirge is that the Deepground people were sealed in their nuclear bunker style deal directly underneath Shinra Tower for the Meteor event and were trapped there for years because of it. So they're around during FF7.
Deepground is just a top-secret military organization (even above SOLDIER), after all, so if they expand out and have many more hours of you as part of AVALANCHE attacking Shinra and evading capture, you might come into contact with one of them. And given they're supposed to be super-SUPER soldiers even more powerful still, they might make pretty good additional boss candidates, especially since the Midgar chapter of FF7 is lacking in non-Shinra robot bosses.
If they are going to do this they need to "REIMAGINE" the SHIT out of what they did before
Maybe if they retcon all the shitty aspect out those fucking "extras" could be more compellingly adapted in
Uhhhhhh.... just make sure a certain writer isn't in the room when you slice and dice his creations lol
Maybe if they retcon all the shitty aspect out those fucking "extras" could be more compellingly adapted in
Uhhhhhh.... just make sure a certain writer isn't in the room when you slice and dice his creations lol
Honestly Crisis Core did a lot for him, because from Final Fantasy VII alone it just felt like "Cloud is living a lie, Zack's the real hero." But as your said mako experiments and all that doesn't make it his fault. He's well written, I just don't like him as a character, same with Sephiroth. It's funny how Final Fantasy VII was my favorite one until XV even though I despise Cloud and Sephiroth lol
Same here. My main beef is with Genesis. I honestly don't remember much about Deepground at all
I loved the story of Zack too, i feel it deserves a remake and fix any problems it had.
i agree its very weird the way the wutai war was handled in crisis core, if this appears in the remake i hope the direction changes to something dramatic and serious and not the way crisis core handled it.
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I feel like one of the only other people not dreading the very idea of incorporating Compilation elements myself.
Indeed, they are still around long before DoC itself happens, just questioning the likelihood of them actually showing up in any capacity to meet Cloud and crew before then (though accounting for more of them could give them something to draw from for additional bosses, as you've said).
100% agree with this, same how his death in the OG was this to the point execution by Shinra soldiers without any fanfare where you felt so bad for him, while in the CC it was ridiculous over the top melodramatic shit.
The problem is, their designs and character are complete dogshit and are basically the columniation of the worst parts of Nomura.
I will take Cloud going "I wonder how's Sora, Goofy and Donald doing..." over any Gackt cameo.
Then Tifa asks him who are they and he explains in detail how he met a boy with giant key and a talking duck/dog.
An old diary written by child Cloud in which he wrote down what he remembered about dreams he had that heavily reference KH. Tifa found it at some point and kept it
Zack is cool. Wouldn't mind more scenes of him, but only after Cloud gets his shit together. So no Zack in Part One. Hint at him, but don't show him.
No Genesis. He's a deviantart OC given life.
Expand the Turks. They're cool.
The remnants shouldn't exist yet. If anything, show Sephiroth having a mastery of each respective weapon.
No Genesis. He's a deviantart OC given life.
Expand the Turks. They're cool.
The remnants shouldn't exist yet. If anything, show Sephiroth having a mastery of each respective weapon.
#EvenIfTheMorrowIsBarrenOfPromisesNothingShallForstallMyReturn
Let's get this hashtag started, people!
For real though, I'm sure it's just a few internal consistency things they want to do to make stuff flow better, and perhaps spice up the Midgar only first part. I doubt they'd put Genesis into the original in any meaningful way, since that'd distort the main story and be kinda unnecessary.
I certainly wouldn't mind anything most people would consider "worst case scenario," like making him a party member, but keep it real, pessimists, it isn't going to happen.
I wonder how they could do it though? There's a lot of stuff to use to spice up the game without touching the main story...
Maybe they'll have a LOVELESS play actually go on, and you can invite a party member or Jessie to see it. Maybe Aerith will bring up more about her boyfriend, what they used to do and how she misses him, without saying who it is, since that would mess things up going that far. Maybe the Turk Cissnei shows up as a bossfight in a sidequest in Midgar, or outside the main Turk trio?(Crisis Core)
Or maybe they'll bring up that there was an Original Avalance that struck fear into the hearts of ShinRa, and Barret will proudly declare his continuing of their legacy for the planet. Maybe the Zirconade Materia will show up as a summon somewhere? Perhaps one of the Turks from Before Crisis will be seen retired as an NPC in Midgar? (Before Crisis)
Maybe the Galian Beast and Chaos Forms will be controllable in a similar way that they were in Dirge of Cerberus, or perhaps DeepGround will be present in a few side quests hinting at an underground organization acting seperate from ShinRa's orders outside of Midgar. (Dirge of Cerberus)
There are a ton of ways Compliation Content can be included without being shoehorned in as a big dumb reference, or tainting the major narrative. I look forward to seeing what they come up with!
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Cissnei appear with the other Turks retroactively. Genesis being based on Gackt's likeness seems like the biggest obstacle to him being a thing again.
So more his personality than his story? You know this I'm sure, but the player is supposed to connect the dots between Cloud, Sephiroth and Zack. You see how all three handled and responded to certain things. Sephiroth loses his humanity, Cloud compartmentalizes the stuff he couldn't handle and Zack being the strongest of all, dies for his friend.
I think people like all the stuff surrounding Sephiroth, his boss music, his sword, etc. His character motivations are largely suspect, I hazard a guess that most of us wouldn't respond with a god complex if we were told we were essentially part alien.
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Had this as a wallpaper for a long time. Where is this from?
If Genesis or Angeal show up outside of a casual mention...
I'll write an angry internet forum post about it.
I mean honestly that's about as much as we can do. Everyone is going to buy this game (twice if you also want it on XOne X when it finally lands there)...
I'll write an angry internet forum post about it.
I mean honestly that's about as much as we can do. Everyone is going to buy this game (twice if you also want it on XOne X when it finally lands there)...