Electric Vehicles |OT| EV 2.0

LegendofJoe · Sep 20, 2019

Arttemis said:
Man, it's so disappointing to see so many electrics announced with no plan to hit the US market.

Right now, I'm driving a 1.2L gas engine Chevy Spark manual, while my wife has a Scion xD manual. She wants a Subaru Crosstrek, which has a hybrid that I'm considering as my next purchase for her (at least a year away, though), and I'd really like an inexpensive electric with modest range. I've heard of electric cars with solar roofs that can charge ~10mi worth of range per sunny day - that's the kind of set up I want, even if it has a sub-100mi range.

It's frustrating that it's taking so long, but they're coming. GM in particular has bet everything on soon transitioning to an electric future. Hell, even Ford is making an electric F-150. The change is coming and it will come fast fairly soon.

When the energy innovation and carbon dividend act is likely passed sometime in the next few years the sea change for the car industry will begin.

FliX · Sep 20, 2019

InfinityDOK said:
Figured this would happen after Amazon invested in rivian

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/19/20873947/amazon-electric-delivery-van-rivian-jeff-bezos-order

This is pretty huge for Rivian.

Deleted member 10612 · Sep 20, 2019

Think it's cool that the new VW e-up in Europe, after government incentives, can be had for around 17k€ ... EVs getting there ...

Keikaku · Sep 20, 2019

Ryno23 said:
And? Your point? What part of "test" or "prototype" or "not going into production untill late next year" do you not understand... Clearly they were trying to push to limit to see what it is was capable of, and they have like 3 or so there I believe.

It was known that the Model S can't handle long circuits at full speed, seems they haven't figured it out.

Also Elon making promises like this:

Elon Musk has said that Tesla expects the production version (coming October/November 2020) to be faster still

He's full of shit.

Ryno23 · Sep 20, 2019

Keikaku said:
It was known that the Model S can't handle long circuits at full speed, seems they haven't figured it out.

Also Elon making promises like this:
He's full of shit.

Except it did handle it? It beat the Taycan time by 20 seconds...that video was from a different day and we have no idea the circumstances. From this article looks like 2 cars and they already completed it 3 times with some times much better than others but all better than the Taycan time, and I have read speculation the blue car is just a current production raven S:

https://www.caradvice.com.au/794309/tesla-nurburgring-update/

turbobrick · Sep 20, 2019

Arttemis said:
Man, it's so disappointing to see so many electrics announced with no plan to hit the US market.

Right now, I'm driving a 1.2L gas engine Chevy Spark manual, while my wife has a Scion xD manual. She wants a Subaru Crosstrek, which has a hybrid that I'm considering as my next purchase for her (at least a year away, though), and I'd really like an inexpensive electric with modest range. I've heard of electric cars with solar roofs that can charge ~10mi worth of range per sunny day - that's the kind of set up I want, even if it has a sub-100mi range.

Cool cars not coming to the US market is nothing new unfortunately. Its been the case for decades.

Failburger · Sep 20, 2019

Pointing and laughing at a prototype car being towed is as bad as being alarmed at a EV car that caught on fire in a crash.

Kernel · Sep 20, 2019

https://insideevs.com/news/371779/vw-canada-considering-sales-id3/

American customers will not have the first all-electric Volkswagen. Period. Mostly because they are not very fond of hatchbacks. We cannot say the same about Canada. It is precisely because of that that the company considers selling the ID.3 in that country.

"I will say that, in the Canadian marketplace, we are taking a very, very, very close look at this car. We are giving it due consideration to bring it into Canada only," Thomas Tetzlaff, spokesman for Volkswagen Canada, told The Globe And Mail.

Some hope for any EV Canucks here like me.

If they bring it here, I'd definitely consider it.

DrM · Sep 20, 2019

Looks like Tesla did not beat Taycan record at Nurburingring and they will try to beat it in October

Deleted member 25600 · Sep 21, 2019

DrM said:
Looks like Tesla did not beat Taycan record at Nurburingring and they will try to beat it in October

From what I'm reading they did beat it, but then stopped in the middle of the track for some reason and had be be towed out....as a Taycan passed it.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-model-s-plaid-towed-nurburgring-porsche-taycan-2019-9

lenovox1 · Sep 21, 2019

DrSlek said:
From what I'm reading they did beat it, but then stopped in the middle of the track for some reason and had be be towed out....as a Taycan passed it.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-model-s-plaid-towed-nurburgring-porsche-taycan-2019-9

It likely simply overheated or overburdened the electrical system. The Taycan is specifically designed not to do that under those conditions. (I think I learned about that in this thread.)

TechnicPuppet · Sep 21, 2019

Just missed out on a crazy deal for 2020 Ioniq. Seemingly coming back Monday but dearer.

Deleted member 25600 · Sep 21, 2019

lenovox1 said:
It likely simply overheated or overburdened the electrical system. The Taycan is specifically designed not to do that under those conditions. (I think I learned about that in this thread.)

That was also my assumption. I know that Porsche has made the Taycan not just to be fast, but also reliable.

valuv · Sep 21, 2019

Do electric vehicle drivers look down on me for driving a Volt?

lenovox1 · Sep 21, 2019

vulva said:
Do electric vehicle drivers look down on me for driving a Volt?

Would they? A used or leased Volt is probably the best deal in the mid-sized sedan market when you take into account it's fuel efficiency.

valuv · Sep 21, 2019

lenovox1 said:
Would they? A used or leased Volt is probably the best deal in the mid-sized sedan market when you take into account it's fuel efficiency.

Yeah I bought a used 2014 volt around a year ago. I'm really happy with it, but EV drivers seem annoyed when I use a public charging station. My apartment doesn't have any charging option so this is my only choice to get a charge. I feel kinda guilty though

Arttemis · Sep 21, 2019

LegendofJoe said:
It's frustrating that it's taking so long, but they're coming. GM in particular has bet everything on soon transitioning to an electric future. Hell, even Ford is making an electric F-150. The change is coming and it will come fast fairly soon.

When the energy innovation and carbon dividend act is likely passed sometime in the next few years the sea change for the car industry will begin.

I'm glad to hear the biggest domestic manufacturers are putting in big strides. My wife and I are eager to get in on the revolution, and that timeline seems to coincide with our ability to afford it.

lenovox1 · Sep 21, 2019

vulva said:
Yeah I bought a used 2014 volt around a year ago. I'm really happy with it, but EV drivers seem annoyed when I use a public charging station. My apartment doesn't have any charging option so this is my only choice to get a charge. I feel kinda guilty though

Eh, they'll get over it.

Do consider asking your property management to install a ChargePoint. For a relatively small upfront cost, it automatically makes the property look much more attractive to certain high income renters.

captive · Sep 21, 2019

Failburger said:
Pointing and laughing at a prototype car being towed is as bad as being alarmed at a EV car that caught on fire in a crash.

Seriously. Format wars for cars.

The issue is likely a combination of battery type and cooling. The model 3 has different systems on both. On the performance model when you turn on track mode the battery cooling fans kick on. To my knowledge the S doesn't have either of these systems. But I doubt it's long before they do.

What I will laugh at is the garbage infotainment system porsche has allowed people to demo. I wouldn't let anyone demo that as it exists, especially not on a ~150k dollar car.

vulva said:
Do electric vehicle drivers look down on me for driving a Volt?

No. I think every electric car on the road is a great thing.

ILikeFeet · Sep 21, 2019

vulva said:
Do electric vehicle drivers look down on me for driving a Volt?

stunt on them hoes, bruh

captive · Sep 21, 2019

I forgot to mention the model s they are testing also has three motors, 2 in rear and one in front IIRC.

base_two · Sep 25, 2019

vulva said:
Yeah I bought a used 2014 volt around a year ago. I'm really happy with it, but EV drivers seem annoyed when I use a public charging station. My apartment doesn't have any charging option so this is my only choice to get a charge. I feel kinda guilty though

Some EV drivers get frustrated when they see older Volts using Level 2 chargers as they take an unreasonable amount of time to charge at 16A. They also figure you could just use gas and not unnecessarily take up charging time from pure EVs that actually need the range to get where they're going. 32A charging at public charging stations is reasonable imo for PHEVs because that's what most EVs will charge at using a Level 2 charger. If the same charging station offers fast charging and being used for slower Level 2 for an PHEV, then yes, that could be seen as a tad annoying.

Kernel · Sep 25, 2019

base_two said:
Some EV drivers get frustrated when they see older Volts using Level 2 chargers as they take an unreasonable amount of time to charge at 16A. They also figure you could just use gas and not necessarily take up charging time from pure EVs that actually need the range to get where they're going. 32A charging at public charging stations is reasonable imo for PHEVs because that's what most EVs will charge at using a Level 2 charger. If the same charging station offers fast charging and being used for slower Level 2 for an PHEV, then yes, that could be seen as a tad annoying.

EV owners hate PHEVs because they can drive on gas if their battery is empty, we can't.

Every time I see a Volt plugged in it's full.

Newer PHEVs like the 2nd gen Volt take 2-3 hours. So the owner arrives in the morning plugs it in and the car is done by noon but he's not leaving til 5.

I was stranded in a mall garage because of this. Luckily he didn't lock the plug so I managed to unplug him and start the charge. Still had to wait until there was a spot free close enough to reach the cord.

base_two · Sep 25, 2019

Kernel said:
EV owners hate PHEVs because they can drive on gas if their battery is empty, we can't.

Every time I see a Volt plugged in it's full.

Newer PHEVs like the 2nd gen Volt take 2-3 hours. So the owner arrives in the morning plugs it in and the car is done by noon but he's not leaving til 5.

I was stranded in a mall garage because of this. Luckily he didn't lock the plug so I managed to unplug him and start the charge. Still had to wait until there was a spot free close enough to reach the cord.

I own a PHEV (Clarity) and agree that it's shitty behavior and it should be on the owner of the fully charged car to remove their car within a reasonable amount of time after charging is complete. Many paid charging stations in area enforce a fee for leaving a charged EV plugged in past its session completion.

This also reveals the larger issue of Level 2 chargers not being really suitable for most public charger situations. The speeds are just too slow to handle areas with a large population of EV drivers. At home, they're great though.

valuv · Sep 25, 2019

base_two said:
Some EV drivers get frustrated when they see older Volts using Level 2 chargers as they take an unreasonable amount of time to charge at 16A. They also figure you could just use gas and not unnecessarily take up charging time from pure EVs that actually need the range to get where they're going. 32A charging at public charging stations is reasonable imo for PHEVs because that's what most EVs will charge at using a Level 2 charger. If the same charging station offers fast charging and being used for slower Level 2 for an PHEV, then yes, that could be seen as a tad annoying.

If it's just a tad annoying then I won't think much of it, thanks!

Radiophonic · Sep 25, 2019

I've seen EVs parked in the EV only charging spots at my local downtown parking garage that weren't even plugged in, they presumably just wanted a better parking spot. As a 2012 Volt driver, I'm going to plug in if there's an open spot. I rarely use such spots more than an hour or two anyway. Maybe when I finally get a full electric vehicle I'll be more concerned about it.

Kernel · Sep 25, 2019

vulva said:
If it's just a tad annoying then I won't think much of it, thanks!

Radiophonic said:
I've seen EVs parked in the EV only charging spots at my local downtown parking garage that weren't even plugged in, they presumably just wanted a better parking spot. As a 2012 Volt driver, I'm going to plug in if there's an open spot. I rarely use such spots more than an hour or two anyway. Maybe when I finally get a full electric vehicle I'll be more concerned about it.

No you shouldn't.

Like anyone else, try and unplug your car when it's done so someone else can use it. They do charge for idle time in more places anyway.

And since EV charging spots are usually prime spots they're often taken but not plugged in, never mind the people in a pickup truck who do it just to be an asshole.

SwampBastard · Sep 25, 2019

I am starting to shop around for a new car and I feel like it's incumbent upon me to check out some EVs. I can't afford a Tesla (at least not the way I would want it appointed), and I won't buy an American car. With that being the case, what's the best EV in the US market for $35Kish?

Arrowgigantic · Sep 25, 2019

snacknuts said:
I am starting to shop around for a new car and I feel like it's incumbent upon me to check out some EVs. I can't afford a Tesla (at least not the way I would want it appointed), and I won't buy an American car. With that being the case, what's the best EV in the US market for $35Kish?

Chevy Bolt

Trickster · Sep 25, 2019

Arrowgigantic said:
Chevy Bolt

Fairly sure that counts as an American car

Keikaku · Sep 25, 2019

snacknuts said:
I am starting to shop around for a new car and I feel like it's incumbent upon me to check out some EVs. I can't afford a Tesla (at least not the way I would want it appointed), and I won't buy an American car. With that being the case, what's the best EV in the US market for $35Kish?

Hyundai Kona starts at $36k.

'3y Kingdom · Sep 25, 2019

Trickster said:
Fairly sure that counts as an American car

Isn't it basically a Korean car with American branding?

Belvedere · Sep 25, 2019

Trickster said:
Fairly sure that counts as an American car

Not exactly a great example of an "American car" since it has almost nothing in common with every other GM car. Also it was designed in South Korea in a partnership between GM's branch there and LG.

You can also buy it in all 50 states.

valuv · Sep 25, 2019

Kernel said:
No you shouldn't.

Like anyone else, try and unplug your car when it's done so someone else can use it. They do charge for idle time in more places anyway.

And since EV charging spots are usually prime spots they're often taken but not plugged in, never mind the people in a pickup truck who do it just to be an asshole.

When did I say I leave it there longer than it needs to be? I never leave my car charging more than 3 hours and I know I'll be longer, I don't park in one of those spots. I can't charge at home so public ones are my only option. I'm saying I won't feel bad about using one if it's only a bit annoying, that's all.

Kernel · Sep 25, 2019

snacknuts said:
I am starting to shop around for a new car and I feel like it's incumbent upon me to check out some EVs. I can't afford a Tesla (at least not the way I would want it appointed), and I won't buy an American car. With that being the case, what's the best EV in the US market for $35Kish?

Kia Niro or Soul EV
Hyundai Kona or Ioniq
Nissan Leaf

Arrowgigantic · Sep 25, 2019

Trickster said:
Fairly sure that counts as an American car

So does Tesla though. The only $35k option that is actually available in America is the Bolt. I guess you could get a used i3, but the i3 sucks.

Arrowgigantic · Sep 25, 2019

Keikaku said:
Hyundai Kona starts at $36k.

And about as available in America as a Gold Mario amiibo.

Trickster · Sep 25, 2019

'3y Kingdom said:
Isn't it basically a Korean car with American branding?

No idea, but if someone says they don't want an american car, I just don't think it makes a lot of sense to recommend them a car made by an American company that's headquartered in Detroit

dr.rocktopus · Sep 25, 2019

First gen Leafs are starting to get in the affordable range for what I want to spend on my next commuter car (10-15k CDN). My daily commute is a shade under 65km. Still debating between that or more modern hybrid like a last gen Accord or Fusion.

Arrowgigantic · Sep 25, 2019

Trickster said:
No idea, but if someone says they don't want an american car, I just don't think it makes a lot of sense to recommend them a car made by an American company that's headquartered in Detroit

It makes more sense than recommending a car that can't be bought. Or a Leaf, lol.

Ryno23 · Sep 27, 2019

Tesla V10 software update went public ads smart summon, Cuphead, Caraoke, Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, Spotify etc:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-software-version-10-0

Emergency & I · Sep 29, 2019

Do people really think the Model 3 Standard Range (240) will be obsolete in a couple years?

I'm really on the fence in terms of purchasing one.

Failburger · Sep 29, 2019

It's the nature of the beast. As new technology gets introduce, old technology becomes obsolete.

A better question to ask is 'Will I ever need to drive more then 240 miles on one charge?'

Ryno23 · Sep 29, 2019

Emergency & I said:
Do people really think the Model 3 Standard Range (240) will be obsolete in a couple years?

I'm really on the fence in terms of purchasing one.

I mean look at my post right above yours, people that bought a Model S 7 years ago are still getting software updates. Model 3 has all their latest and greatest tech to the point I think its a much better car than an S, and the computer chip they use is right behind the glove box with idea that it can easily be swapped out for a new one if ever need be... So no it won't be for a very long time.

Emergency & I · Sep 29, 2019

Ryno23 said:
I mean look at my post right above yours, people that bought a Model S 7 years ago are still getting software updates. Model 3 has all their latest and greatest tech to the point I think its a much better car than an S, and the computer chip they use is right behind the glove box with idea that it can easily be swapped out for a new one if ever need be... So no it won't be for a very long time.

Hmmm. I work in EV too. Would get free charging/2 years of supercharging. Looking at white with the better wheels...

Decisions, decisions... Thank you.

Ryno23 · Sep 29, 2019

Emergency & I said:
Hmmm. I work in EV too. Would get free charging/2 years of supercharging. Looking at white with the better wheels...

Decisions, decisions... Thank you.

Honestly, if you've never driven one go take a test drive, or don't if you're not prepared to get one asap because it will more than make up your mind lol

FliX · Sep 30, 2019

https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/24/canoo-takes-the-covers-off-of-its-debut-electric-vehicle/

Remarkably, Canoo has completed the design and engineering of its first model in just 19 months and is preparing its vehicles for production through a contract manufacturer. The first cars are slated to appear on the road by 2021, according to the company's current leader, Ulrich Kranz.

The heart of the Canoo system though, is its "skateboard" architecture, which houses the batteries and the electric drivetrain in a chassis underneath the vehicle's cabin. All of the company's vehicles will have the same base and different cabins to create all sorts of vehicles for different applications, the company says.
The first vehicle has a five-star safety rating and includes driver and passenger airbags throughout the canoo. The skateboard platform can also support dual, front or rear motor configurations the company said.

Kranz wouldn't say how much Canoo will charge for its subscription service, but said that the company can reduce its cost because it can depreciate the vehicle's value over a seven to 10-year time frame. "These savings we will be able to give back to the customer," he said. And even with the low price, Kranz expects to make a mint with his new company. "We want to be the first EV company that makes a profit with an EV," he says.
The rental model will help, as will the company's conservative rollout plan. Kranz says that Canoo will start offering its subscription vehicles in one geography and scale slowly from there.

Hesemonni · Oct 3, 2019

Can't wait for the 100% autonomous automotive future!

Deleted member 39374 · Oct 3, 2019

Internet's gonna be full of smart summon gone wrong videos for the rest of the year.

Deleted member 12028 · Oct 3, 2019

Surely Tesla has got to have some sort of liability here. Not sure why this feature is still live...

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