• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Sincerest

Member
Jan 22, 2018
606
dicksnsj2g.gif
SentimentalBitterAcaciarat-size_restricted.gif
 
Oct 27, 2017
17,973
Yeah the Costco food courts are always insanely busy and impossible to find seating. Costco probably loses money on their hot dogs so I'm not surprised they would try to push it as a member benefit now.

IIRC correctly all the margins are in membership fees. Their model prices and times shipments and sales so there's no wasted inventory, but they barely make any profit on that. The board frequently complains about having to make the five dollar rotisserie chickens, but the guy insists they must keep making them because it increases membership visits.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

user requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
8,958
I mean, that depends on how you define exploitation, doesn't it?

Under capitalism, workers generate wealth for others. Some would consider that a form of exploitation. Even a "fair living wage," under capitalism, doesn't return all of the wealth generated by the worker back to the worker.

I define exploitation as unfair or paltry wages for labor, unskilled or otherwise.

Paying a living wage with benefits isn't exploitation by any metric outside of those pushing for pure socialism, which is as fundamentally a flawed economic concept as pure capitalism. The best models are those that find an equilibrium between the two and ensure that people who work hard and generate wealth for others have the ability to share in at least some of those dividends.

There are ways to practice an ethical form of capitalism; we're just not particularly good at doing that here in the states.
 

Annihilator

Member
Nov 10, 2017
201
West Fargo
Sounds good too me. I think the costco food court is garbage tier though so It doesn't affect my eating habits. However as a member I do feel only members should have access to the perks of the store...i mean thats the whole point right??
 
Oct 27, 2017
45,154
Seattle
IIRC correctly all the margins are in membership fees. Their model prices and times shipments and sales so there's no wasted inventory, but they barely make any profit on that. The board frequently complains about having to make the five dollar rotisserie chickens, but the guy insists they must keep making them because it increases membership visits.

Yup, those $5 chickens are a essential. We get a couple whenever we actually go shopping inside.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,077
Phoenix, AZ
Port Orange native here. I used to love going to the Sams on Beville when I was a kid, but I had no idea what I was missing out on with Costco. Even the shitty Costco in Hiroshima where I live is way better than Sams. And speaking of Costco in Japan, you already do have to be a member to go to the food court. Hiroshima is the only exception, since our food court is outside.

Can you use a US Costco membership in Japan? Last time I was in Hiroshima I wanted to go there, but I wasn't sure if it would work.
 

Lobster Roll

signature-less, now and forever
Member
Sep 24, 2019
34,357
Again, it is not Costco's job to be a hotdog and free food supplier to people in your scenario. They aren't a charity. They. Are. A. Membership. Club.
Yeah dude the membership applies to more than just the food court (and you know that), but keep waving the corporate banner.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

user requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
8,958
The ups and downs of capitalism aside, I have no problem allowing non-members access to the food.

I'd even pay a bit more if it meant letting poor people get grub.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,077
Phoenix, AZ
You ever meet anybody or interact with anybody homeless or on the verge of being homeless (utilities shut off, checking account overdrawn, landlord threatening eviction)? Some folks just literally want to spend their entire day in your store and to eat food for absolutely nothing because it's the only comfort they'll get. When I used to work at Starbucks, this homeless woman would come in and ask for an empty 8oz cup. I'd watch her go and pour half&half in there just to get some god damn calories. It's sad to see the corporate banners being waved around in defense of the profit margins of Costco hot dogs.

Because Costco is the only place with cheap food? I can go to my nearby Quik Trip and get 2 hotdogs for only $2.49. That's an even better deal.
 

DrewFu

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt-account
Banned
Apr 19, 2018
10,360
Yeah dude the membership applies to more than just the food court (and you know that), but keep waving the corporate banner.
Bro, you're bringing up an extreme situation as to why Costco should be obligated to sell their fucking hotdogs to non-members when they're a membership club, and when people can buy hotdogs at the fucking store for far less. And then you keep ratcheting up the story as to why people should be allowed to hang out all day and just eat their samples.

You seem to be mistaking Costco with something it's not.
 

Deleted member 48828

Account closed at user request
Banned
Oct 21, 2018
731
Again, it is not Costco's job to be a hotdog supplier to people in your scenario. They aren't a charity. They. Are. A. Membership. Club.
You hear that poor people? If it's not a soup kitchen or charity I guess you don't deserve anything. Late stage capitalism is awesome!

EDIT: Why not just raise the price on the hotdogs for non-members, actually? Why the total ban?
 

DrewFu

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt-account
Banned
Apr 19, 2018
10,360
You hear that poor people? If it's not a soup kitchen or charity I guess you don't deserve anything. Late stage capitalism is awesome!
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. That is clearly not what I said.

Poor people can get cheap food like hotdogs for cheaper at a fucking grocery store.
 

StarStorm

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,599
Sad to hear, but the Costco I go to has the food court outside. They definitely lose money on the hotdogs and pizza. Their pizza is huge for $10.
 

Lobster Roll

signature-less, now and forever
Member
Sep 24, 2019
34,357
Bro, you're bringing up an extreme situation as to why Costco should be obligated to sell their fucking hotdogs to non-members when they're a membership club, and when people can buy hotdogs at the fucking store for far less. And then you keep ratcheting up the story as to why people should be allowed to hang out all day and just eat their samples.

You seem to be mistaking Costco with something it's not.
Ok dude, whatever. We're just gonna keep spinning the wheels on this topic and I see exactly where you stand on this and we're both unwilling to budge. Take it easy out there.
 

ChrisR

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,795
You're talking to someone that whines in the stock market thread, and is over joyed by Biden victories. They literally could not give a shit about actual poor people.
We obviously need to just have everyone disclose their total net worth before being allowed to comment on anything. When you develop the tech, sell it, sorry GIVE it to Costco so they can use it to determine if someone deserves the ability to purchase a $1.50 hot dog without having a membership.
 

Gay Bowser

Member
Oct 30, 2017
17,699
IIRC correctly all the margins are in membership fees. Their model prices and times shipments and sales so there's no wasted inventory, but they barely make any profit on that. The board frequently complains about having to make the five dollar rotisserie chickens, but the guy insists they must keep making them because it increases membership visits.

It is correct that the membership fees are the profit center for the whole company.

That said, I wouldn't at all assume that they lose money by selling a hot dog for $1.50 to a non-member, as so many people in this thread are basing their argument around. As many of those same people have also described, those same hot dogs are sold in multipacks in the store for a much lower price, after all. It's the same thing with the pizza: some people are arguing that selling their pizza to non-members is creating some sort of massive money sink that Costco is addressing, while others are claiming that this change is no big deal since their pizza is not that much cheaper than a pizza from any other restaurant. I have difficulty squaring those two perspectives.

To me this move seems more intended to encourage new memberships rather than prevent some sort of unsustainable loss.
 

DrewFu

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt-account
Banned
Apr 19, 2018
10,360
You're talking to someone that whines in the stock market thread, and is over joyed by Biden victories. They literally could not give a shit about actual poor people.
Right, saying that a membership club should be allowed to require memberships, and pointing out the obvious that people can get more food for much less elsewhere is not giving a shit about poor people.

Christ Era goes off the rails with hyperbole sometimes.
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
You would think this was a homeless shelter or soup kitchen that was being forced to shut down, the way some people are talking about it. When it's actually just one store out of dozens of stores that sell garbage-food for cheap.
 
Oct 27, 2017
45,154
Seattle
News at 11: Costco hates poor people

You realize Costco employees have some of the best benefits and pay for their jobs right? That they actually close on holidays so their employees can be with their families.
 

nded

Member
Nov 14, 2017
10,572
As a Costco member, I absolutely do not mind non-members buying from the food court. It's just really fucked up that things are so bad that access to Costco hotdogs is considered a vital lifeline for some people.
 
Oct 27, 2017
45,154
Seattle
We obviously need to just have everyone disclose their total net worth before being allowed to comment on anything. When you develop the tech, sell it, sorry GIVE it to Costco so they can use it to determine if someone deserves the ability to purchase a $1.50 hot dog without having a membership.

Let's bring back the 100k a year is not rich, thread again.
 

DrewFu

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt-account
Banned
Apr 19, 2018
10,360
edit: nvm
 
Last edited:

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
It's just really fucked up that things are so bad that access to Costco hotdogs is considered a vital lifeline for some people.
I don't think that's actually the case for anyone. There's a world of people eating terrible food to get by because they are poor and live in a food desert, but Costco wouldn't be caught dead building a store in poor neighborhoods. That's partly what makes the argument seem so disingenuous -- "actual poor people" wouldn't have regular access to Costco hot dogs anyhow.
 

Deleted member 48828

Account closed at user request
Banned
Oct 21, 2018
731
News at 11: Costco hates poor people

You realize Costco employees have some of the best benefits and pay for their jobs right? That they actually close on holidays so their employees can be with their families.
More like News at 11: The most expensive to make foods around, hotdogs and pizza, are putting Costco out of business. They had no choice but to exclude the unprofitable layabouts, and that's objectively a good thing™.
 
Oct 27, 2017
17,973
It is correct that the membership fees are the profit center for the whole company.

That said, I wouldn't at all assume that they lose money by selling a hot dog for $1.50 to a non-member, as so many people in this thread are basing their argument around. As many of those same people have also described, those same hot dogs are sold in multipacks in the store for a much lower price, after all. It's the same thing with the pizza: some people are arguing that selling their pizza to non-members is creating some sort of massive money sink that Costco is addressing, while others are claiming that this change is no big deal since their pizza is not that much cheaper than a pizza from any other restaurant. I have difficulty squaring those two perspectives.

To me this move seems more intended to encourage new memberships rather than prevent some sort of unsustainable loss.

http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/200903?pg=23#pg23

This is what they say about it.

I've been going to Costco for almost 20 years, never used the food court once. It honestly doesn't look all that appealing to me. Where I live there's no shortage of great pizza or hot dogs, if I'm in the mood for those, and I've just never had the urge to try any of it out before/after doing some shopping.
 
Oct 27, 2017
45,154
Seattle
http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/200903?pg=23#pg23

This is what they say about it.

I've been going to Costco for almost 20 years, never used the food court once. It honestly doesn't look all that appealing to me. Where I live there's no shortage of great pizza or hot dogs, if I'm in the mood for those, and I've just never had the urge to try any of it out before/after doing some shopping.

For me it's a time issue, I like to gas up when I'm running errands, usually takes me 5 minutes to get in and out. Since it's in the same complex, it's a time saver for me.
 

DrewFu

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt-account
Banned
Apr 19, 2018
10,360
Last edited:

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,077
Phoenix, AZ
If anything, the worst part about the food court is that its on the exit side and not the entrance. Eating before you shop is the proper way to do things, which Ikea have figured out. People with their carts full of stuff clogging up the food court is annoying. Also if you get frozen stuff its thawing out while you eat, another reason to eat before you shop.
 

Deleted member 48828

Account closed at user request
Banned
Oct 21, 2018
731
I don't think that's actually the case for anyone. There's a world of people eating terrible food to get by because they are poor and live in a food desert, but Costco wouldn't be caught dead building a store in poor neighborhoods. That's partly what makes the argument seem so disingenuous -- "actual poor people" wouldn't have regular access to Costco hot dogs anyhow.
Did you know poor people can drive to places outside of their neighborhood?
 

Gay Bowser

Member
Oct 30, 2017
17,699
You realize Costco employees have some of the best benefits and pay for their jobs right? That they actually close on holidays so their employees can be with their families.

I wouldn't assume that the people who are disappointed by this are unaware of that (and indeed that might be why they find it especially disappointing).

Just because a corporation is better than average in some ways does not mean that every decision they make is to society's benefit, or that they should be absolved from criticism.

It's okay to expect more from a corporation, especially one that holds itself up as a vanguard for fair wages and benefits. Just my two cents. :)
 

Bunzy

Banned
Nov 1, 2018
2,205
Or, hear me out, we let poor people continue to have access to a dirt cheap meal in a temperature-regulated store. And maybe the owner worth $2 billion has his net worth drop by a tiny fraction. And maybe we don't use the corporate tools that they love us to use (e.g. "think of the workers" and other middle vs lower class rhetoric).


Or hear me out, let members pay monthly so they only have to pay 5 bucks for a membership monthly
 

Geeko

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,192
San Jose, CA
This really isn't a big deal. So you need a membership to go to the food court now. If you care that much about it, go get a basic Costco membership. It's just $60 a year. That's just $5 a month. Every so often go get yourself a rotisserie chicken, buy a years worth of paper towels and TP or get some of the best prices on liquor. $60 a year. People spend more than that going out a to restaurant.
 

Wubby

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,852
Japan!
Speaking of Costco food court I'm still pissed they got rid of the Pepperoni pizza here in Japan at the food court. Replaced with a crappy margherita. So now the pizza options are cheese, margherita and deluxe. Whats the point of having two cheese pizzas? Only difference is margherita seems to have less cheese with some green bits thrown on.
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
Did you know poor people can drive to places outside of their neighborhood?
Except that a great many impoverished citizens don't have cars - it's why people complain about food deserts. Not to mention that if you're driving to out to the suburbs where Costco tends to put their stores, that kinda defeats the purpose of buying the cheap hot dog in the first place.
 

sfedai0

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,949
Hmmm, I should start an app where people can rent someones membership card to go eat at the food court.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,077
Phoenix, AZ
Speaking of Costco food court I'm still pissed they got rid of the Pepperoni pizza here in Japan at the food court. Replaced with a crappy margherita. So now the pizza options are cheese, margherita and deluxe. Whats the point of having two cheese pizzas? Only difference is margherita seems to have less cheese with some green bits thrown on.

That is kinda weird. Even more odd that pepperoni would be the least popular as they would replace it.

The combo/deluxe is still the best though