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EA Should Lose The Star Wars License (The Jimquisition)
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Well, I can agree the Battlefield threads/discussion on Reset have mostly been a hot, dumpster fire---especially after the TTK shit was reverted. But I personally don't think it fits this thread well. Just my two cents. I could be wrong.
Fair enough.
I'm sure you can appreciate how angry and frustrated people have become with EA's treatment of the Star Wars licence though.
All people want is good games and to feel like they aren't being taken advantage of.
you sound like a brand manager all right...
I'll never get the concept of people defending multinational corporations that have layers upon layers of people making decisions and yet people have to go out there and defend them with your very life.
No, they make mistakes. Call them out for it. Disney, I am sure, has a clause in the contract. But we shall see where they go.
Lucas Arts and also at the end of the day a privately held family business
People doesnt judge them the same way as EA.
One of the greatest crimes in gaming is that we never got a SW lightsaber game using the PS Moves.
Definitly a sale item at least. Right now it's 449 NOK = fifty bucks.
The VR mission, I assume it is this one, appears free though and I could "purchase" and download it too my PS4 without BF2 but when I try to start it it says it requires the BF2 application.
I remember pretty well how we were drowning in high quality Star Wars games in the early to mid 2000s. I mean we got 2 Rogue Squadron games, 2 KOTORs, 2 Battlefronts, Republic Commando, Jedi Knight and many more in a timespan of 5 years.
EA gave us 2 x hot garbage with a microtransaction cherry on top in 5 years.
Money? Why wouldn't it work?
Labo Starfighter
Darth Vader in Smash
RPG from Monolithsoft
Not to mention that Factor 5 have a READY-MADE, unreleased Rogue Squadron game that they're hoping to port to Switch, which I could almost guarantee would be more beloved by fans of video games and fans of Star Wars than those awful Battlefront games.
God of War 2005-2013: 6 games
God of War 2014-2019: 1 game
Should Sony let someone else handle God of War?
Why is "number of games released per year" considered to be some valuable metric for measuring successful IP management?
I can't think of any long-standing IPs that see as many releases now as they did in the 32-bit era; game development now is just too different to support the model that Lucasarts had. Only Call of Duty and maybe Assassin's Creed seem capable of sustaining single annualized releasess.
God of War 2014-2019: 1 game
Should Sony let someone else handle God of War?
Why is "number of games released per year" considered to be some valuable metric for measuring successful IP management?
I can't think of any long-standing IPs that see as many releases now as they did in the 32-bit era; game development now is just too different to support the model that Lucasarts had. Only Call of Duty and maybe Assassin's Creed seem capable of sustaining single annualized releasess.
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Sega makes more sense, they have Creative Assembly and Relic, we could get an RTS; and one can hardly do better than that.
I just hope whatever you good people at DICE are working on aside from Battlefront gets to be released and not cancelled like all those other Star Wars games that have been cancelled the last few years at different stages of development.
If these games sold so well then why where they at bargain bin price level weeks/months after release?
Do youtubers like Jim, ReviewTech, and Boogie just read era threads and reddit, then release their own video with their thoughts?
It's not all EA's fault though. Star Wars games have been very messy to make before EA signed this agreement. Star Wars games are mishandled on many levels, especially the highest executive ones and bureaucracy often gets in the way.
Games going on sale doesn't mean that said games are selling bad. As an example, FIFA 19 was 50% off for the Black Friday period, yet I'm pretty sure the game sold stupid amounts of units. Promotions, sales, and everything else related are happening all the time, and are in no way an indication of a game overperforming or underperforming. While a promotion might be driven due to a game underperfoming or a frozen price due to a game overperforming even with its initial price, it shouldn't be taken as a default for one or the other.
Waiting for Jedi Fallen Order to get axed anytime soon. Stig deserves better than to be working on a fucking SW game that may not see the light of day. Did you see how they even announced that game? Easily the worst 'announcement' of any game I've ever seen.
It makes sense for FIFA because of the microtransactions. This wasn´t the case with the first Battlefront though and the second clearly didn´t perform on the level that EA had in mind.
Imagine what any good studio/publisher that has even a shred of artistic integrity left could do with a Star Wars game.
1 studio vs what? 5? Not really a fair comparison. The fact only DICE have something to show is poor by EA.
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If GoW 2018 was an unfinished MXT pushing den of mediocrity that doubled as a serious PR disaster then yeah, someone else would probably be better suited to handling it
Jim used to post a lot on gaf whenever his videos got threads to get feedback or talk about why he made the video.
Not that he has to justify to us why he wants to cover a topic but it would help if he posted here again.
Look at what Sony did with Spiderman and what EA's doing with Star Wars. If I were Disney, I'd bite the bullet and start looking for other partners.
Respawn's might be late this year, but I don't think anything is nailed on.
Ya it's not worth $50 I bought it for $10 on sale. I would recommend waiting for another sale. It just doesn't have longevity but it's fun for a week of on and off play. I'm not sure about the vr stuff.
It sounds like EA is boxed in by the terms of the contract they signed and Disney's policies on Star Wars lore. Disney doesnt seem to know what to do with Star Wars now and I wonder what they will do after episode 9.
But there has to come to a point when the deal costs more than it i worth for EA. Because the deal is so complex it is hard to see anyone leaving the contract before it's expiration.
But there has to come to a point when the deal costs more than it i worth for EA. Because the deal is so complex it is hard to see anyone leaving the contract before it's expiration.
Yes the license should be taken away. Mostly because it should never have been given to 1 publisher anyway.
In 5 years they have released 2 very basic, very safe battlefront games. It's saddening that battlefront 2 from 2005(I think) did more Than EA's efforts. I'm sure respawn will make a great game, however I'd love to see Ubisoft do a open world game, or rockstar.
In 5 years they have released 2 very basic, very safe battlefront games. It's saddening that battlefront 2 from 2005(I think) did more Than EA's efforts. I'm sure respawn will make a great game, however I'd love to see Ubisoft do a open world game, or rockstar.
The 2002-2006 Star Wars games were from like a half dozen developers or more and that doesn't stop people from comparing them to EA's output. And there was certainly a time when Sony gave God of War to other developers to increase output (Ready at Dawn made the PSP titles). "Imagine if Platinum made God of War!"
The grander picture is just that it's probably no longer in an IP holder's interest to try and pump out games like that anymore, and it's kind of by design that 3 Star Wars games didn't come out in the last 10 months. Even if the Visceral game hadn't gone down the tubes, that'd really only be 3 major releases since the start of the generation.
Honestly, Microsoft should try for the license next. While it would keep games to Xbox One and PC, the potential is real.
Imagine 1313 redone by the kickass new team at The Initiative, or a KOTOR reboot by Obsidian. Turn 10 and/or Playground Games would make an awesome podracing game. Ninja Theory doing a hack and slash Jedi/Sith game would be awesome, and some members at The Coalition who made flight simulator could make the new X-Wing/TIE Fighter. InXile could make an SRPG/CRPG in the classic style allowing for a more modestly budgeted but thoroughly deep Star Wars experience.
We could also get a Star Wars themed Minecraft on consoles, 343 Industries can develop or license their new engine for a Star Wars FPS, etc.
If they go for the whole Lucasarts catalog, they could expand gamepass and give series such as Monkey Island a new lease on life. Monkey Island DLC in Sea of Thieves anyone? Or maybe Rare can make a new Indiana Jones game.
Mind you, all of this is before Microsoft builds more studios or buys more. Imagine if the rumored IO deal goes through and we get a Hitman style Mandalorian game, or they buy Turtle Rock and we get an Evolve style game (without the microtransaction bs) with Rancors, Wampas and the Sarlacc pit.
They can even outsource. Also, Microsoft is investing a lot of money in their teams and helping them grow substantially allowing for multiple projects, so these shouldn't harm development of other IPs too much. The success of them may even help fund future titles.
Add in Gamepass day 1 and I think we're gold. Besides, it seems Sony and Nintendo are getting all the MARVEL love anyways and Star Wars has fallen on hard times, so Microsoft could really help rehabilitate the image.
Imagine 1313 redone by the kickass new team at The Initiative, or a KOTOR reboot by Obsidian. Turn 10 and/or Playground Games would make an awesome podracing game. Ninja Theory doing a hack and slash Jedi/Sith game would be awesome, and some members at The Coalition who made flight simulator could make the new X-Wing/TIE Fighter. InXile could make an SRPG/CRPG in the classic style allowing for a more modestly budgeted but thoroughly deep Star Wars experience.
We could also get a Star Wars themed Minecraft on consoles, 343 Industries can develop or license their new engine for a Star Wars FPS, etc.
If they go for the whole Lucasarts catalog, they could expand gamepass and give series such as Monkey Island a new lease on life. Monkey Island DLC in Sea of Thieves anyone? Or maybe Rare can make a new Indiana Jones game.
Mind you, all of this is before Microsoft builds more studios or buys more. Imagine if the rumored IO deal goes through and we get a Hitman style Mandalorian game, or they buy Turtle Rock and we get an Evolve style game (without the microtransaction bs) with Rancors, Wampas and the Sarlacc pit.
They can even outsource. Also, Microsoft is investing a lot of money in their teams and helping them grow substantially allowing for multiple projects, so these shouldn't harm development of other IPs too much. The success of them may even help fund future titles.
Add in Gamepass day 1 and I think we're gold. Besides, it seems Sony and Nintendo are getting all the MARVEL love anyways and Star Wars has fallen on hard times, so Microsoft could really help rehabilitate the image.
Two totally different situations. If Marvel was placing the same requirements on Insomniac that Lucasfilm is placing on EA where everything has to be funneled back to them for canon approval that game could have easily have gotten stuck in development hell as well.
You'd have a point if EA didn't have a bunch of studios working on Star Wars games, that just haven't delivered yet. Respawn will likely deliver at least so 2 of them would have something to show. And I do think the deal will end strong at least, but it's like they completely missed the first wave of EA Star Wars games, outside of DICE.
They destroyed sports games and turned them into card fest. No surprise they botched this also. Activision or Ubisoft would have had more games out in this time frame.
Fuck that garbage company.
Fuck that garbage company.
I don't think EA would create amazing Star Wars games without those restrictions, just a feeling i have based on EA's recent non-Star Wars games.
You don't know that the unreleased Rogue Squadron is something Nintendo would publish or that Disney would approve.
Not to mention your other examples range from pie-in-the-sky to impossible. There's no way a Star Wars character would ever appear in Smash. And why would Nintendo saddle studios like Monolith Soft with an IP that they may not want to work on and would require constant supervision and approval from Disney and Lucasfilm?
Isn't this theoretically half the purpose of an enthusiast press? If I presume there's anything really revelatory going unsaid on this topic out of a disconnect with this particular community, there are still tens of outlets farting around which will likely jump to publish anonymous editorials representing the EA position. Now if it's held that the wider audience are equally unreceptive and that the argument is to be wasted on everyone, however persuasive, that's another thing.
Again, it means the IP is limited to one console if Microsoft have the license. I've no doubt some of their studios would make amazing games, Playground would do a very good space game imo, but Star Wars is too big to not have on the other consoles.
Needs to be a multi platform publisher.
I also dont know; my personel wish is for a Star Wars RTS game for example. Since RTS AAA games are dead and they dont work well with microtransactions it is unlikely they will come up with something.
But EA has shown it has the ability and willingness to make major changes and effort. BF2 has had many changes and content additions since the controversy a over year ago. It is a great game.
Assuming Disney is against another KOTOR while EA still has the talent and expertise to make another, Disney's conditions become the limiting factor.