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vinnykappa

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https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1089788/duterte-let-priests-marry-even-same-sex

President Rodrigo Duterte on Sunday said Catholic priests should be allowed to marry, even with the same sex, as a way to stop sexual abuse of children by members of the clergy.

In a profanity-laden statement, the President said the Vatican summit on clerical sexual abuse just proved that there was truth to his attacks against priests and bishops.

"There are thousands of abuses that were not corrected by the Church," he said in a speech in Cebu City on Sunday evening.

"For me, it would be better to allow priests to marry," the President said.

"If the priest is gay, then he should still be allowed to engage in same-sex marriage. That's the solution to the problem," he said.

In a Mass to end the Vatican summit on Sunday, Pope Francis challenged bishops to an "all-out battle" against clerical sexual abuse, saying the Church needed to take "every necessary measure" to end the problem.

The President said he would have remained mum about the problem, especially since he was in Cebu — the biggest archdiocese in the country and the cradle of Christianity in the Far East — but he wanted to get back at priests who kept on criticizing his bloody war on drugs.

"I'm sorry. I don't want to fight with them. But they were the first to attack me," he said.

But allowing priests to marry is not the solution to the problem of sexual misconduct in the Church, according to the public affairs committee the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP).

"It's, unfortunately, not the solution. The issue is not merely about homosexuality," said Fr. Jerome Secillano, executive secretary of the CBCP's public affairs committee.

"It is about having sexual deviant personality that cannot be cured simply by allowing the perpetrators to marry," Secillano said.

"Even if we speak of 'macho' priests who are engaged in 'consensual affairs,' marriage may not even guarantee faithfulness in the relationship," he said.

Secillano said the solution offered by the President merely trivialized what was an otherwise complex problem.
 

Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering the laws about not being allowed to marry was to not create children and dillute the church's assets and money than same cisgender sex marriage should have been legal since the start.
 

SRG01

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wow, Duterte has really lost his mind. He really thinks allowing priests to marry will reduce the number of abuses?
 

Tezz

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, celibacy is unhealthy. But ending it wouldn't fix all the church's problems.
 

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Worth noting that Duterte was abused by a priest as a child, and it is speculated this widely affects his view of religion. He is much less dogmatic about Catholicism than his followers.
 

LuigiV

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lost his mind? This is one of the few sensible positions he has taken?
Allowing priests to marry whoever they want is a sensible position for plenty of reasons but it will do literally nothing to reduce abuse. The two issues are not related. Priests aren't committing sexual abuse because they're horny (if that were the case, they'd just normal affairs with a consenting patner), they're doing it because they enjoy being in a position of power.
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Reminder that he and his people in the Philippine Congress and Senate are trying to lower the criminal age of responsibility to 12 years old .
Guess they want to have a justfied reason for killing minors.
 

Dice

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
Wow, Duterte has really lost his mind. He really thinks allowing priests to marry will reduce the number of abuses?

Is there proof it wouldn't at least help?? Heck if even a little.

Even still, it's a silly ass 'law', why should people in the church be denied an intimate companion.
 

Sunster

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Oct 5, 2018
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Reminder that he and his people in the Philippine Congress and Senate are trying to lower the criminal age of responsibility to 12 years old .
Guess they want to have a justfied reason for killing minors.
Age of consent in the Philippines is 12 years old too. What is with the Philippines and 12 year olds?
 

SushiReese

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I never understand western media hold such a weird/biased obsession with Duterte. I'd admit he is not a good politician and quite a awful person, but there are much more worse politicians in the other countries around the world.
In fact, Duterte is the most popular president in Philippines history , and even in the opposition media his poll number is over 80% strong support high across the country in his mid-term presidency. It's pretty crazy in Philippine democratic political history.
https://coconuts.co/manila/news/poll-shows-duterte-continues-enjoy-high-approval-trust-ratings/
Duterte ends the year with an 81-percent approval rating from Pulse Asia
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...l-ratings-pulse-asia-poll#cyk3jGsr366j1dPw.99
Under his presidency, Philippines recorded historical economic growth and almost the highest growth rate across South-eastern Asia.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2019/02/26/dutertes-popularity-a-boon-to-economy-2/
Some of my Philippine friends told me that even they agreed that Duterte is a shitty politician, but he is far much competent that his corrupted predecessors.
 

Sunster

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Oct 5, 2018
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I never understand western media hold such a weird/biased obsession with Duterte. I'd admit he is not a good politician and quite a awful person, but there are much more worse politicians in the other countries around the world.
In fact, Duterte is the most popular president in Philippines history , and even in the opposition media his poll number is over 80% strong support high across the country in his mid-term presidency. It's pretty crazy in Philippine democratic political history.
https://coconuts.co/manila/news/poll-shows-duterte-continues-enjoy-high-approval-trust-ratings/
Duterte ends the year with an 81-percent approval rating from Pulse Asia
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...l-ratings-pulse-asia-poll#cyk3jGsr366j1dPw.99
Under his presidency, Philippines recorded historical economic growth and almost the highest growth rate across South-eastern Asia.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2019/02/26/dutertes-popularity-a-boon-to-economy-2/
Some of my Philippine friends told me that even they agreed that Duterte is shitty politician, but he is far much competent that his corrupted predecessors.
It is because of his personality and the fact he can be called Filipino Trump. If he lacked that personality but carried on with his policies the Western world would still take note but it would be a fraction of the attention it is now.
 

Buzzman

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I never understand western media hold such a weird/biased obsession with Duterte. I'd admit he is not a good politician and quite a awful person, but there are much more worse politicians in the other countries around the world.
In fact, Duterte is the most popular president in Philippines history , and even in the opposition media his poll number is over 80% strong support high across the country in his mid-term presidency. It's pretty crazy in Philippine democratic political history.
People probably don't like the part where he is directly responsible for thousands of people getting murdered. Also, dude used to be the head of a fucking death squad.
 

Musubi

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People probably don't like the part where he is directly responsible for thousands of people getting murdered. Also, dude used to be the head of a fucking death squad.

Yeah. His willing nature to just use lethal force against anyone suspected being involved with drugs is to put it mildly chilling and reeks of authoritarian tendencies.
 

Sub Boss

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It could be a solution (even if it wouldn't stop abuse in many years) but then it would 'expose' the church as a farce, if even their own rules about sexual conduct don't apply to their own priests.
 

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I never understand western media hold such a weird/biased obsession with Duterte. I'd admit he is not a good politician and quite a awful person, but there are much more worse politicians in the other countries around the world.
In fact, Duterte is the most popular president in Philippines history , and even in the opposition media his poll number is over 80% strong support high across the country in his mid-term presidency. It's pretty crazy in Philippine democratic political history.
https://coconuts.co/manila/news/poll-shows-duterte-continues-enjoy-high-approval-trust-ratings/
Duterte ends the year with an 81-percent approval rating from Pulse Asia
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...l-ratings-pulse-asia-poll#cyk3jGsr366j1dPw.99
Under his presidency, Philippines recorded historical economic growth and almost the highest growth rate across South-eastern Asia.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2019/02/26/dutertes-popularity-a-boon-to-economy-2/
Some of my Philippine friends told me that even they agreed that Duterte is a shitty politician, but he is far much competent that his corrupted predecessors.
He routinely murdered thousands of people without due process. He's not just a 'shitty politician', he led a death squad and has no respect for the law or for human life. How are there 'worse politicians' than him? By what standard are you judging that, and why do you think that the existence of someone worse makes his conduct better?
 

SushiReese

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People probably don't like the part where he is directly responsible for thousands of people getting murdered. Also, dude used to be the head of a fucking death squad.
Ten of thousands of people died of violence and high crime rate before he got elected into the office. That's why he got elected in the first place.
Murder. In 2014, the Philippines has a murder rate of 9.84 per 100,000 people, with a number of 9,784 recorded cases. The country also has the highest rate of murder cases in Southeast Asia in 2013, with a rate of 8.8, followed by Thailand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Philippines
He was called fucking "Publisher" by Filipino media,the city has elected him as the mayor for 20 years since the democratization of Philippine. Its the safest city in Philippine.If you see the comments from the Philippine locals in Quora and Tripadvisor, the locals said it was even safer than street in Sydney and New York.
https://www.quora.com/How-safe-is-Davao-City
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTop...vao_City_Davao_del_Sur_Province_Mindanao.html
But if you look into some western media, Davao seem like a drug town and shit hole.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/02/philippines-president-duterte-drugs-war-death-squads
High crime rate is also one of most important factor why Brazilians elect a alt-right politician to the president.
 

SRG01

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For all those replies to my post up there, other posters said it best: priests aren't committing abuse because of their primal urges. They do it because they're in positions of power.

Conflating the two is a serious leap in logic and does not address the fundamental problems with both issues.
 

DigitalOp

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Ten of thousands of people died of violence and high crime rate before he got elected into the office. That's why he got elected in the first place.
Murder. In 2014, the Philippines has a murder rate of 9.84 per 100,000 people, with a number of 9,784 recorded cases. The country also has the highest rate of murder cases in Southeast Asia in 2013, with a rate of 8.8, followed by Thailand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Philippines
He was called fucking "Publisher" by Filipino media,the city has elected him as the mayor for 20 years since the democratization of Philippine. Its the safest city in Philippine.If you see the comments from the Philippine locals in Quora and Tripadvisor, the locals said it was even safer than street in Sydney and New York.
https://www.quora.com/How-safe-is-Davao-City
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTop...vao_City_Davao_del_Sur_Province_Mindanao.html
But if you look into some western media, Davao seem like a drug town and shit hole.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/02/philippines-president-duterte-drugs-war-death-squads
High crime rate is also one of most important factor why Brazilians elect a alt-right politician to the president.

All of that is great and easy to say until the government is running up in your house and capping you in the face because you're a "suspected" drug dealer
 

ProfessorLobo

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Oct 31, 2017
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For all those replies to my post up there, other posters said it best: priests aren't committing abuse because of their primal urges. They do it because they're in positions of power.

Conflating the two is a serious leap in logic and does not address the fundamental problems with both issues.
Why aren't you seeing widespread abuse in other religious leaders then?
 

SushiReese

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He routinely murdered thousands of people without due process. He's not just a 'shitty politician', he led a death squad and has no respect for the law or for human life. How are there 'worse politicians' than him? By what standard are you judging that, and why do you think that the existence of someone worse makes his conduct better?
Unlike western countries, corruption risks are high in the judicial system in most of the countries around the world. A normal due process in PH could be last for 10 years. The judicial system in PH is messy and corrupted. That is why the previous administrations failed to battle against organized-crime and gang-violence. I don't see a "peaceful" and "humana" way to solve crime issue.
http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6f/entry-3913.html
https://opinion.inquirer.net/80394/ph-has-slowest-justice-system-in-the-world-2
https://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/the-philippines/
 

SushiReese

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All of that is great and easy to say until the government is running up in your house and capping you in the face because you're a "suspected" drug dealer
All of that is great and easy to say until the government is running up in your house and capping you in the face because you're a "suspected" drug dealer
So the narrative of increasing society safety and economic development are completely fake, 80% of Philippine's population are just brainwashed by government's propagandas instead of listening to truth from the west: Duterte fascism government are killing innocent people on the street.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-opinion-of-Rodrigo-Dutertes-presidency
https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-President-Dutertes-war-on-drugs-in-the-Philippines
Like I said, I am not saying Duterte is a saint. Most of developing countries don't have enough resource and "humana" method to deal with crime issue due to the economical condition and undeveloped legal system.
 

patientzero

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why aren't you seeing widespread abuse in other religious leaders then?

There is widespread child sexual abuse, among many other forms of abuse, among religious leaders.

But no religion is as hierarchical or less segmented than the Catholic Church. Christianity at large is very segmented, as are other major religions, but the Catholic Church as a whole has the largestgloval network of clerical figures that exist above the reproach of their congregations.

Insular, powerful, and patriarchal institutions foster abuse, from the church to Hollywood. Actually, hollywood presents a magnificent example. Because of its largesse and centralization in a specific region it is relatively easy to understand the magnitude of its excesses. In contrast, sexual abuse is every bit as common, if not moreso, in the food service industry. But you're unlikely to hear about the diffuse abuse carried out in a particular McDonald's or local restaurant divorced from the larger apparatus. Likewise, you might not hear about abuse in a particular synagogue or mosque, but only because they are more localized.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Unlike western countries, corruption risks are high in the judicial system in most of the countries around the world. A normal due process in PH could be last for 10 years. The judicial system in PH is messy and corrupted. That is why the previous administrations failed to battle against organized-crime and gang-violence. I don't see a "peaceful" and "humana" way to solve crime issue.
http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6f/entry-3913.html
https://opinion.inquirer.net/80394/ph-has-slowest-justice-system-in-the-world-2
https://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/the-philippines/

So the narrative of increasing society safety and economic development are completely fake, 80% of Philippine's population are just brainwashed by government's propagandas instead of listening to truth from the west: Duterte fascism government are killing innocent people on the street.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-opinion-of-Rodrigo-Dutertes-presidency
https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-President-Dutertes-war-on-drugs-in-the-Philippines
Like I said, I am not saying Duterte is a saint. Most of developing countries don't have enough resource and "humana" method to deal with crime issue due to the economical condition and undeveloped legal system.

You do realize what is the problem with giving free reign to kill anyone who you suspect to be a drug addict and/or dealer right?

Suspect, not even proven, just suspect.
 

The BLJ

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People don't become pedophiles because of celibacy. For those who support Duterte's words here, I'll let you ponder on the implications.

Duterte is yet again making inflammatory comments toward Roman Catholicism, is this really thread-worthy?
 

Zoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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For all those replies to my post up there, other posters said it best: priests aren't committing abuse because of their primal urges. They do it because they're in positions of power.

Conflating the two is a serious leap in logic and does not address the fundamental problems with both issues.

The problem is celibacy. Sex is a normal part of human nature and trying to simply cancel it by enforcing celibacy is going to a) attract people with twisted feelings about their own sexuality (eg pedophiles) and b) twist normal people's sexuality.
 

lidmat

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Jun 18, 2018
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People don't become pedophiles because of celibacy. For those who support Duterte's words here, I'll let you ponder on the implications.

Duterte is yet again making inflammatory comments toward Roman Catholicism, is this really thread-worthy?

True, but here is the issue:

Celibate priests, who can't and don't have sex, will have urges to have sex. They could have sex with other adults, but other adults will call them out for being hypocrites, and possibly, tell others. With kids, they can build trust so the kids won't tell on them for any act they commit.
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is the same Duterte that co-opted Socialist talking points during his campaign.

Agreeing with him is like agreeing with Steve Bannon or tucker carlson when they say capitalism is bad.
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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I never understand western media hold such a weird/biased obsession with Duterte. I'd admit he is not a good politician and quite a awful person, but there are much more worse politicians in the other countries around the world.
In fact, Duterte is the most popular president in Philippines history , and even in the opposition media his poll number is over 80% strong support high across the country in his mid-term presidency. It's pretty crazy in Philippine democratic political history.
https://coconuts.co/manila/news/poll-shows-duterte-continues-enjoy-high-approval-trust-ratings/
Duterte ends the year with an 81-percent approval rating from Pulse Asia
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...l-ratings-pulse-asia-poll#cyk3jGsr366j1dPw.99
Under his presidency, Philippines recorded historical economic growth and almost the highest growth rate across South-eastern Asia.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2019/02/26/dutertes-popularity-a-boon-to-economy-2/
Some of my Philippine friends told me that even they agreed that Duterte is a shitty politician, but he is far much competent that his corrupted predecessors.
You're banned, but
a. The Philippines is under inflation now thanks to a new Tax system that's regressive.
B. He has high approval ratings but that's due to appeals to filipino brand of machismo and authoritarianism, rich people benefitting from his policies, his populist (though right-wing) campaign and propaganda and even then, the majority of the lower class didn't vote for him and people nowadays are now starting to get more critical of him.

C. Duterte is a corrupt official who loves other corrupt officials. In fact, he brought back lots of corrup offiicials who were in jail back in the senate! Just because the previous administration has corruption and is part of an oligarch who is anti-farmer doesn't suddenly mean that Duterte isn't corrupt.

D. Duterte is largely incompetent and is a wannabe dictator. Unfortunately, him being incompetent still lead to a bloody war on drugs

E. You're Duterte support is so 2016. just admit you're wrong for voting him.
 
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Iloelemen

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So the narrative of increasing society safety and economic development are completely fake, 80% of Philippine's population are just brainwashed by government's propagandas instead of listening to truth from the west: Duterte fascism government are killing innocent people on the street.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-opinion-of-Rodrigo-Dutertes-presidency
https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-President-Dutertes-war-on-drugs-in-the-Philippines
Like I said, I am not saying Duterte is a saint. Most of developing countries don't have enough resource and "humana" method to deal with crime issue due to the economical condition and undeveloped legal system.
No, lot's of 'em were brainswashed by Duterte propaganda.

And no, it's because lots of duterte-loving Filipinos, especially those that will never ever be affected by Duterte's violent policies are Conservatives who believe in extremely punitive justice and are very anti-poor. These are the types that believe that the "lazy" poor shouldn't be given handouts and these are the types that support the Death penalty and lowering the criminal responsibility to 12 years old.
You're probably one of those.
 

DonMigs85

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I'm fairly certain Duterte has at least moderate dementia/Alzheimer's, which has steadily gotten worse since he took office in 2016. He tends to ramble and rant incoherently more than ever nowadays, stringing together random almost unintelligible words. His handlers won't be able to cover it up forever. They're also trying to push his assistant and daughter as senators and likely future presidential bets.
 

Iloelemen

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Age of consent in the Philippines is 12 years old too. What is with the Philippines and 12 year olds?
Ugh, the whole thing is just an obvious ploy to be able to jail more people so that they could look "competent".

And the attitudes towards sex and how it applies to children. Disgusting.

Says pre-marital sex is bad, says sex education is bad, proceeds to maintain the "marry your rapist law", once where it's legal to ignore the voice of the rape victim in such proceedings.

As to how it relates to children, depiction of children dancing in somewhat suggestive manners are acceptable here.
The concept of statutory rape seems none-existent here. And lots of child-trafficking happening in here lots of which from white foreign men.

Heck, one of the regulars in one of the biggest variety tv shows in the country who is also right now a senator ( and supports duterte) was part of the rape of a 16 year old ( who was a SEXY STAR at the time). This is pretty much common knowledge here and the fact that people still vote for him and support him on his tv show? SMH. I hope he gets #MeTood.
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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To Dutere supporters, go back to doing your Duterte coloring books.

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freikugeln

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Any sources for this bizzare claim? I don't work with late antiquity ecclesiastical history, but I know enough to be supremely doubtful.

Well, if l remember correctly the idea at first was that not having a wife and children/heirs would greatly reduce the incentive for priests to abuse their position and the wealth of the church for personal gains.
 

Temp_User

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Oct 30, 2017
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Didn't he said something detrimental to priests like killing and stealing from them because they are rich? And now he is saying something beneficial to these poor sex-starved fools . . . . is he deliberately sending mix messages to sow confusion and deter his critics or i'm just over-thinking the actions of this crazy, dumb, fucker?
 

The BLJ

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Won't help with current abusers, but should help with recruiting priests who aren't pedophiles. If society already forces you into celibacy, then you might as well join a celibate profession.
As a priest, you will necessarily deal with children. I strongly doubt pedophiles wouldn't go and try to be priests just because priests can be married. Wasn't there a large uncovering of rampant pedophilia in Southern Baptist churches recently?

True, but here is the issue:

Celibate priests, who can't and don't have sex, will have urges to have sex. They could have sex with other adults, but other adults will call them out for being hypocrites, and possibly, tell others. With kids, they can build trust so the kids won't tell on them for any act they commit.
Again, not how this works. People don't decide to fuck children because they can't fuck adults. People don't turn into pedophiles out of sexual frustration.