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Dutch card fan invents gender-neutral deck (replacing King/Queen/Jack with more inclusive labels)
- Thread starter DiipuSurotu
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Yeah, what I mean is how kid me translated the pieces into how I saw the positions. Kid me was like "huh so queens are better than kings, but have to get shit done for the lazy ass kings, got it."
Please explain what exactly is so problematic about the Gold/Silver/Bronze hierarchy and how it could even possibly compete with the subjugation of women for all of human history.
Honestly why address sexism at all if we're offending metallurgists or whatever
Interesting. I was playing chess with my son just yesterday. I stupidly lost my queen early and knew I was pretty screwed. The Queen is what gets it done.
Those cards are ugly though her argument is sound. I don't see the traditional deck replaced anytime soon but I hope she makes bank in the meantime.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE VIOLATING THE SANCTITY OF PLAYING CARDS WHAT'S NEXT MAKING THEM ROUND AND ADDING CATS AND DOGS TO THEM?!
Young you were not entirely wrong though, as historically the title of king kind of tended to out rank queen. For example, while a woman married to a king is a queen, generally a man married to a queen regnant would not be a king, but would rather be a prince, in order to clearly establish that his position is lesser.
So has the value of everything. Should we never represent products in games?
Round cards are actually very fun to use
Gungi?
Such is the case for many card games too, where only the numbers have a hierarchy applied to them.
Hell, the joker is oftentimes the most valuable or coveted of all.
EDIT: The deck is ghastly and so low effort too, yikes.
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I'm always blown away by the number of Dutch people who can speak English with little to no discernible accent. I worked with someone from the Netherlands for months before I realized that he wasn't a native English speaker. As this person who made the cards and my time in the Netherlands prove, this is more common that I would have ever guessed.
Not really the case in Chess though and actually if you reversed the roles it would play more into typical gender stereotypes i.e. the king goes out and does all the work and the queen needs protecting.
I didn't. I simply asked you a question.
Why are you getting defensive?
Have you ever met a Scandinavian? It's insane. Some of my Swedish/Norwegian friends speak with almost no discernible accent. It's wild.
To be honest the original designs have some personality behind them, aesthetically interesting and kinda fresh actually that something retains this old artstyle in this day and age where even the Pringles man is flat and clean.
The gold/silver/bronze design while coming from a good place is pretty hack. Ubisoft kicking themselves for not coming up with it first. Some folk have came up with much better ideas in this thread.
The gold/silver/bronze design while coming from a good place is pretty hack. Ubisoft kicking themselves for not coming up with it first. Some folk have came up with much better ideas in this thread.
And the fun part is that it's not even close to universal.
for example in good ole misogynistic France, the crown can never be passed by a woman so the Queen would never be allowed to remarry to begin with (because catholics you know) and she would lose her position as soon as she would leave court.
It's literally the cheat code that the French aristocracy found to not have the King of England be King of France.
The position of King is through the male line.
You can still avoid having fun with these cards!
Yeah, so graphic design was clearly not their forte.
I would have gone with Emperor/Empress, King/Queen, Jack/Jane
EDIT: Maybe Baron/Baroness if you need to keep the same letter
I like this better. It actually furthers the original intent of these replacement cards, by showing there isn't any difference in worth between them
Metal hierarchies are just as problematic as gender subjugation holy shit I'm glad I came into this thread
Yeah plenty of terms are built around the cards, like Royal Flush. Teaching people rules is hard enough without taking away easily graspable stuff like that.
You can also add a "c" next to the K and Q for King Consort and Queen Consort. K/KC and Q/QC being the opposite ends.
Probably because you're equating the issues of exploited labor with the issues of oppression based on gender identity. Regardless, I'm not the one who cursed you.
All your stuff was still within the gender binary which these cards sought to avoid.
Like the idea but the art needs some more passes at it. Kind of ugly as is. Even though this probably wont catch on things like this are what will help to eventually chip away at old patriarchal concepts being so cemented as being the "normal" or "default"
Being mad at metal is really stupid in this instance because exploitation of labor is literally the last thing you think about when looking at metal.
And I'm pretty sure the exploitation of labor is not more intensive for gold than it is for silver or bronze.
Like no one looks at bronze age material of literally anything and think of exploitation of labor or a hieararchy of exploitation of labor
And I'm pretty sure the exploitation of labor is not more intensive for gold than it is for silver or bronze.
Like no one looks at bronze age material of literally anything and think of exploitation of labor or a hieararchy of exploitation of labor