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Who is your favourite character?

  • Paul Atreides

    Votes: 336 37.9%
  • Duncan Idaho

    Votes: 246 27.7%
  • Alia Atreides

    Votes: 67 7.6%
  • Leto II

    Votes: 165 18.6%
  • Darwi Odrade

    Votes: 10 1.1%
  • Miles Teg

    Votes: 16 1.8%
  • Other (specify in thread and why)

    Votes: 47 5.3%

  • Total voters
    887

Wari Oman

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Feb 2, 2021
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Unfortunately I can't say I loved it as much as I wanted to. It's a bit weird, I can't even really name any flaws but it just didn't really grab me. Visually it was pretty spectacular though (my only misgiving being the very muted color grading) and I was really impressed by how they brought all the sci-fi tech to life. There was something very grounded about it but at the same time it was completely outlandish, very cool. Like instead of a standard laserbeam we get one that looks like a flashlight and somehow that was way more intense.

I'm in the same boat. For me, it's lack of character depth. It feels like the film has too many of them, some of them throwaway, and even the main characters don't get fleshed out a lot.

It's very much world and plot for 80% of the time. Audiovisual, setting and atmosphere are A+ tho.
 

Guy.brush

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Oct 27, 2017
1,357
Just came back from an IMAX viewing. Liked it quite a bit as someone who never read the novel.
Wish the color temperature would have been a bit warmer on Arrakis though. Hearing them go "today it will be 60°C" and the color being very cold, almost mono-chromatic clashed for me. Maybe it was also brightness of the projection being swallowed by 3D glasses.

Questions:
1. Paul totally saw the fremen guy that he killed as another possible mentor in one of his visions right? And he saw Duncan Idaho as a more established Fremen as well even after Idaho's death? I think the movie could have made this more clear that he seems to see possible futures before he chooses his path?

2. Harvesters: So if they have been harvesting Spice for hundreds of years and the only real big issue is the sand worms, why do they need an extra Carry-All to arrive, dock and carry the harvester out? Wouldn't you as the guy in charge of harvesting the most important substance in the universe design the harvester as a vehicle that can fly?
The way Villeneuve's production design showed these mega solid looking kilometer long ships and all of them having anti-grav style tech, why was the harvester not built like that?

3. Is this really meant to be the year 10000+ Earth history? How did they get to all these interstellar planets in the first place when there was no spice for the navigators yet until they found Arrakis?
 

Cerulean_skylark

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Oct 31, 2017
6,408
Where are those computer now? Why would people need spice?
They supposedly had fancy navigation computers back then.


In Dune, it depends which lore you take, but the Dune universe doesn't use AI because of the "Butlerian Jihad" where civilization revolted against extremely intelligent AI.
There is a distinction of artistic intent whether this is:

A: People were revolted at the potential for AI to overtake humanity.
or
B: An actual war against AI.

Either way, The galactic society of Dune rejected the use of computers because a big theme of the whole series is "Human Potential" itself.
 

Couscous

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Oct 30, 2017
6,089
Twente (The Netherlands)
In Dune, it depends which lore you take, but the Dune universe doesn't use AI because of the "Butlerian Jihad" where civilization revolted against extremely intelligent AI.
There is a distinction of artistic intent whether this is:

A: People were revolted at the potential for AI to overtake humanity.
or
B: An actual war against AI.

Either way, The galactic society of Dune rejected the use of computers because a big theme of the whole series is "Human Potential" itself.
This isn't explained in the film at all.
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
36,006
In Dune, it depends which lore you take, but the Dune universe doesn't use AI because of the "Butlerian Jihad" where civilization revolted against extremely intelligent AI.
There is a distinction of artistic intent whether this is:

A: People were revolted at the potential for AI to overtake humanity.
or
B: An actual war against AI.

Either way, The galactic society of Dune rejected the use of computers because a big theme of the whole series is "Human Potential" itself.

Herbert's notes and conversations made it clear that it was A. The Jihad was always supposed to be people against AI vs people that wanted to keep AI (of which only Ix remains of that culture). Only his hack, no talent son and equally no talent writing partner decided to make it a generic Terminator-ripoff robot war in their shit-horrible prequel and sequel novels.
 

LiQuid!

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Oct 26, 2017
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This isn't explained in the film at all.
The Butlerian Jihad is arguably one of the most important events that happens in the Dune lore and a foundational aspect of the entire series' worldbuilding but it doesn't really shock me that the movie chose to not get into it. It's not super important to cover the jihad just to start Paul's story, and it would be much better served introducing that bit of lore when getting into the deeper themes introduced in books 3 and 4 when the "Golden Path" becomes a thing. So don't feel too bad about missing out on this bit of backstory, but hopefully your curiosity is piqued enough to read the books, they're easily among the best books I've ever read
 

Muffin

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Oct 26, 2017
10,338
As someone with no prior experience with Dune, this was pretty boring and long winded imo. All setup and no real tension. It might hold up better if you watch it together with the sequel later, but on it's own? Eh.
 

Couscous

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Oct 30, 2017
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Twente (The Netherlands)
The Butlerian Jihad is arguably one of the most important events that happens in the Dune lore and a foundational aspect of the entire series' worldbuilding but it doesn't really shock me that the movie chose to not get into it. It's not super important to cover the jihad just to start Paul's story, and it would be much better served introducing that bit of lore when getting into the deeper themes introduced in books 3 and 4 when the "Golden Path" becomes a thing. So don't feel too bad about missing out on this bit of backstory, but hopefully your curiosity is piqued enough to read the books, they're easily among the best books I've ever read
I really want to read more books, but I can't find time between other hobbies like fitness and gaming, my 30-35 hour workweek and finishing my master. I want to start reading more when I finish my master this year. Dune will be one of the series that's first on my list. I loved the film and want to know more about the Dune universe
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
17,695
I really want to read more books, but I can't find time between other hobbies like fitness and gaming, my 30-35 hour workweek and finishing my master. I want to start reading more when I finish my master this year. Dune will be one of the series that's first on my list. I loved the film and want to know more about the Dune universe
I was the same way but I crushed the whole first Dune this past week. Couldn't put it down. I sat around today reading Dune appendices instead of playing video games lol. It's very, very good. A real page turner unlike other classics like LotR.

The first 2 chapters you kinda gotta power through. After that it's difficult to put down. Really incredible book.
 

Fraxin

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Oct 28, 2017
864
Not wishing to spoil anything I will tell you that the book does take into account your concerns, whether or not the second film will include it is tough to say. The Lynch film did not and there is quite a lot of debate to be had about the way the book addresses that issue.

I would say that you aren't entirely wrong but the book acknowledges the dire consequences of it for all involved. Bit like TE Lawrence I guess. Also a lot of the 'prophecy' is somewhat engineered.

What you mentioned is, more or less, true. However, it is not presented as good. On the contrary, it is explicitly demonstrated to be very very bad for everyone, especially in the second book.

Great to here that its addressed one way or another, hopefully the second movie will talk about it.

I can get what you're saying, a lot in Dune is clearly Arab and Middle Eastern inspired, and so when adapting it extra care need to be given.
I didn't watch the movie yet, but in the book it wasn't that bad for me - the story take place in the very far future, so the religions of Dune are not what you'd expect. As a Jew it's also weird because the story uses some Jewish terms as well like Kwitzatzh Haderach in a similar way, but I think it would make sense considering how much time has gone by that these terms are not used the way we would expect.
Also, most of the people in the Dune universe, including the Atreides, are actually some form of future Islam syncritsed with Buddhism religion-wide. Their god is named as Budallah. This is true for both Atredies and Fremen (who are Zensunni Wanderers), so it shouldn't be that jarring - but maybe the movie westernizes the Atredies more than you need, as is custom in Dune adaptations. which makes it extra orientalist.
Another spoilery thing to keep in mind:
There's a reason there's this specific prophecy that kinda is super useful if you're a Bene Gesserit, let's leave it at that.

I'm still keeping an open mind, especially since what's my concern at least was talked about in general the western actors didn't annoy me as much as others.
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
17,695
Great to here that its addressed one way or another, hopefully the second movie will talk about it.

I'm still keeping an open mind, especially since what's my concern at least was talked about in general the western actors didn't annoy me as much as others.
It'll probably be more the 3rd movie if they gets made. Though the second would definitely touch on it… the 3rd (second book) is where it becomes very clear.
 

Urðr

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Aug 13, 2020
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Watched it a second time. The pacing felt way better, since I wasn't expecting epic stuff at the end of the movie this time around.

But I also noticed that, as some people pointed out, the editing isn't great and feels off in many scenes. Like, it has 101 filmmaking mistakes regarding the length of some shots. 8/10 is my final score.
 
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molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
17,695
Just finished the second book. Much shorter than the first one, but damn is it good. I really hope Denis gets to make a film of it because it really does seem like a crucial epilogue to Dune. I just wonder how it would work as a follow-up to (hopefully) 2 big spectacle films… there really isn't the same level of action and scale as there was in the first book.
 

Wollan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Norway but living in France
Just came back from my third watch. Probably a decade+ since I last saw a movie in cinemas to that count.

I just love how the movie grabs your attention even before the Warner & Legendary logos display.
And with that the steady deep beat that follows the initial production text leading into the intro. Very Terminator 2 mixed with Blade Runner sort of bleak feel.

The prophecy scenes that gradually take on a more ancient & indigenous feel are probably my favorite part of the film. And how it's laid out that Paul very consciously (after a lot of internal-struggles) chooses to take advantage of certain questionable aspects that will bring huge consequences.

And the Sardaukar are just the coolest. I remember how I sort of felt a bit disappointed in their design watching the movie trailer (astronaut suits with samurai swords?) but I've done a 180 on that. I also believe they wear their ranks as tattoos on their forehead.
 
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rude

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Oct 25, 2017
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less than a month left for us americans!

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Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's fantastic news. The studio heads must be pleased. A -32% hold is pretty impressive for a flick like this one. Here's hoping it still does relatively well in remaining markets.

And aaaargh. I want to see this before mid-October!
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
15,600
Is anyone else comparing the timing of events in comparison to this movie? Like, when I schedule a doctor's appointment or something, and think to myself "I'll have seen Dune by then..."

But then I look online and advance tickets aren't even on sale yet, it still seems so far away.
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
17,695
Reading these in bed each night has been such a pleasure this past week. I really dread getting to the end. =(
 

CallmeDave

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Oct 27, 2017
639
Really hope the final movie uses stuff from the Sketchbook soundtrack. After listening to both I find some really odd omissions with the Official soundtrack, like the Atreides theme seems like it would be a prominent motif but its barely in the official outside of small segment of 'Armada'.
 

flyover

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Oct 26, 2017
834
Just finished the second book. Much shorter than the first one, but damn is it good. I really hope Denis gets to make a film of it because it really does seem like a crucial epilogue to Dune. I just wonder how it would work as a follow-up to (hopefully) 2 big spectacle films… there really isn't the same level of action and scale as there was in the first book.
Yeah, I think of it as the real ending of the first book. When friends or family start Dune and are enjoying it well enough to finish, I always recommend going right into Messiah, afterward, since it's pretty short. Then, if they want to stop, stop.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What Messiah lacks in action it more than makes up for with political action and drama. Condensing the book into a 2-2.5hr film should end up being a rollercoaster.
 

Donos

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Nov 15, 2017
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Glad i went to an IMAX like i did for Blade runner. Visuals and audio were absolutely magnificent.
 

Carn

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just came back from an IMAX viewing. Liked it quite a bit as someone who never read the novel.
Wish the color temperature would have been a bit warmer on Arrakis though. Hearing them go "today it will be 60°C" and the color being very cold, almost mono-chromatic clashed for me. Maybe it was also brightness of the projection being swallowed by 3D glasses.

Questions:
1. Paul totally saw the fremen guy that he killed as another possible mentor in one of his visions right? And he saw Duncan Idaho as a more established Fremen as well even after Idaho's death? I think the movie could have made this more clear that he seems to see possible futures before he chooses his path?

2. Harvesters: So if they have been harvesting Spice for hundreds of years and the only real big issue is the sand worms, why do they need an extra Carry-All to arrive, dock and carry the harvester out? Wouldn't you as the guy in charge of harvesting the most important substance in the universe design the harvester as a vehicle that can fly?
The way Villeneuve's production design showed these mega solid looking kilometer long ships and all of them having anti-grav style tech, why was the harvester not built like that?

3. Is this really meant to be the year 10000+ Earth history? How did they get to all these interstellar planets in the first place when there was no spice for the navigators yet until they found Arrakis?

1. I think it was actually a nice way to show Paul trying to get a grip on things; he basically doesnt really know yet what these new powers/visions mean and how to handle it. He is just as confused as we are. But yeah, multiple paths/futures.

2: Maybe its just cheaper to have one carryall servicing multiple harvesters. To me, this is a bit like "why didnt the eagles drop the One Ring in Mount Doom" kinda stuff. If you think about it, one could also just 'float' above ground and dig/suck/drill/scoop spice through a long tube :P

The antigrav effect is part of the "The Holtzman Effect", the physics that also power the shields. Shields attract worms as well and drives them crazy; so that's why they don't use anti-grav stuff in/close to the desert iirc

3: I believe the year was counted from after the Butlerian Jihad that wiped out all 'thinking machines', so it's probably more like, 20000 years in the future. If you look back at our own history, that's a long ass time. And as already answered in the thread; 'before' they used computers/AI for space navigation .
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wollan I haven't seen the film so I'm going off the book here, but:

2.) AS Carn said, sandworms are attracted to the anti-grav tech the same way they're attracted to shields. Similar technology. They beeline straight for it. The goal is for the harvester to have as much time on ground as possible; if they could fly, the worms would be on them much faster.

3.) Dune takes place roughly 20,000 years in the future. Previously humanity used computers/AI to handle the computations that allowed for interstellar navigation. Roughly 10,000 years before the events of Dune (so 10,000 years in our own future) there was a revolt against computers/AI called the Butlerian Jihad. Coming out of that came the edict that no machine could be built to imitate a human mind. No more computers. By that point humanity had already discovered many worlds including Arrakis. The Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild formed around the same time and humanity "reset the clock" on their year counting.

I really want to read more books, but I can't find time between other hobbies like fitness and gaming, my 30-35 hour workweek and finishing my master. I want to start reading more when I finish my master this year. Dune will be one of the series that's first on my list. I loved the film and want to know more about the Dune universe
I highly recommend it. I put it off for years due to seeing the 1984 film late in life and finding it ridiculous. But I really can't overstate how great the first 2 books are. Currently reading the 3rd...
 
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Guy.brush

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Oct 27, 2017
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1. I think it was actually a nice way to show Paul trying to get a grip on things; he basically doesnt really know yet what these new powers/visions mean and how to handle it. He is just as confused as we are. But yeah, multiple paths/futures.

2: Maybe its just cheaper to have one carryall servicing multiple harvesters. To me, this is a bit like "why didnt the eagles drop the One Ring in Mount Doom" kinda stuff. If you think about it, one could also just 'float' above ground and dig/suck/drill/scoop spice through a long tube :P

The antigrav effect is part of the "The Holtzman Effect", the physics that also power the shields. Shields attract worms as well and drives them crazy; so that's why they don't use anti-grav stuff in/close to the desert iirc

3: I believe the year was counted from after the Butlerian Jihad that wiped out all 'thinking machines', so it's probably more like, 20000 years in the future. If you look back at our own history, that's a long ass time. And as already answered in the thread; 'before' they used computers/AI for space navigation .
Cool thanks for the answers! 2. kind makes sense if a hovering vehicle via "holtzman effect" also attracts worms.
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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2: Maybe its just cheaper to have one carryall servicing multiple harvesters.
Even the book didn't go into too much detail about the logistics of it all, but there was a scene where they rattled off the inventory of spice-mining equipment the Harkonnens left behind, and there were a lot more harvesters than there were carryalls.

In terms of the timing of years, I believe it's based off the founding of the Spacing Guild, "B.G." and "A.G.". Which was some time after the Butlerian Jihad, and probably right around the time they discovered Arrakis. But in general, I believe you're right about the overall timing, roughly 20,000 years into our own future.
 

lemmykoopah

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Oct 29, 2017
740
So I just saw this yesterday and i liked it well enough but I just don't think the movie will attract a big enough fanbase for a succesful part 2? It's a bit... special and weird tone wise. It's not mainstream at all but it has a v big budget. The atmosphere is very clinical per Villeneuve, you could say thats always in his films. Lacks 'heart'. Soundtrack was immense. Visually it was good, but I recently got an OLED tv and this was the first time since getting the TV that I got back to a cinema an I was constantly focusing on the blacks not looking good like my OLED setup at home lol, I think that kinda took me out of fully enjoying the cinematography.
 

kubus

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Oct 27, 2017
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So I just saw this yesterday and i liked it well enough but I just don't think the movie will attract a big enough fanbase for a succesful part 2? It's a bit... special and weird tone wise. It's not mainstream at all but it has a v big budget. The atmosphere is very clinical per Villeneuve, you could say thats always in his films. Lacks 'heart'. Soundtrack was immense. Visually it was good, but I recently got an OLED tv and this was the first time since getting the TV that I got back to a cinema an I was constantly focusing on the blacks not looking good like my OLED setup at home lol, I think that kinda took me out of fully enjoying the cinematography.
Yeah this movie made me once again realize that home cinemas are in some ways better than cinema screens now. This movie was just begging to be watched on OLED and I was often distracted because of it.

I hate that they refuse to show this in the Benelux in 2D, apparently the distributor "demanded" that theatres only offer it in 3D or that dumb 4DX shit. I can't imagine any fan wanting to see this movie in a swiveling chair, and it's not like it's gonna make use of the water sprinklers lol. The only thing that might be interesting is the possibility of using scents for spice, but that'll get old very quickly.

But if that shit manages to pull in a bigger mainstream audience and we get a sequel, be my guest lol.
 

lemmykoopah

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Oct 29, 2017
740
Yeah this movie made me once again realize that home cinemas are in some ways better than cinema screens now. This movie was just begging to be watched on OLED and I was often distracted because of it.

I hate that they refuse to show this in the Benelux in 2D, apparently the distributor "demanded" that theatres only offer it in 3D or that dumb 4DX shit. I can't imagine any fan wanting to see this movie in a swiveling chair, and it's not like it's gonna make use of the water sprinklers lol. The only thing that might be interesting is the possibility of using scents for spice, but that'll get old very quickly.

But if that shit manages to pull in a bigger mainstream audience and we get a sequel, be my guest lol.
They offer 2d screenings in Belgium I saw 2d version. I refuse 3d screenings.
 

kubus

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Oct 27, 2017
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They offer 2d screenings in Belgium I saw 2d version. I refuse 3d screenings.
During the first few weeks there were sadly enough no 2D screenings here in the Netherlands. I contacted Pathé (biggest chain of cinemas here) and they told me they were required by the distributor to only show the movie in 3D.

Now they sometimes slip a 2D screening into their schedule (at impossible times), and I was able to catch one last Sunday, at 10 AM lol. Oh well, it's better than nothing. And yeah, I also refuse 3D screenings.
 

molnizzle

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,695
blah, couldn't help myself. Got a solo ticket for 3PM on Friday at an IMAX laser 2D showing. Not sure if I will cancel or not. I'm fully vaxxed but have a toddler at home who can't get it. Might end up having to HBOMax this but I figured I would at least reserve a good seat now just in case.

Are we going to have a dedicated movie OT?
 

Cugel

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Nov 7, 2017
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Saw it and loved it.

Not the excruciatingly long wait for part 2 starts