Isn't the guy in the clip someone who was offered money to move to Mixer and chose to stay on Twitch? lol
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DrDisrespect's ELABORATE THOUGHTS on Mixer versus Twitch and Shroud's BIG MOVE
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I don't think any dollar amounts were leaked with Doc, and apparently twitch made a counter offer to keep him. Either way, my point stands if he turned down that much money. lol
That's probably what will happen. He will apologize to Twitch and to his Twitch audience and reap the rewards of higher viewership due to the attention such a move would get. It's not as if Twitch will just kick him out if he decides to come back. It works to their favor once he inevitably returns.
No I meant Cohh (guy from the clip in the post you replied to). He was also offered money as well, no? Or do I have that wrong.
For sure MS tried to get Doc, he definitely insinuates it in the clip in the OP.
It depends really. If I was building a brand and wanted to maintain or even increase monthly average viewership - if that was a goal of mine or something I was building towards, I wouldn't leave Twitch. For a lot of these streamers, they hit their audience ceiling months & years ago, so I can't fault them for taking the deal.
But if I were a new streamer? I wouldn't start on Mixer. None of these streamers would've grown to the level they did if they had started on Mixer as it is today. They'd never grow the audience.
Yep, this is how I feel as well.
I think Cohh mentions it in that clip as well -- he's basically saying that those who don't really care about trying to grow anymore (or to your point, feel like they can't grow anymore) will happily take that cheque. But again, it implies that you're willing to give up your presence in THE place to stream.
If Mixer and Twitch were closer in viewership I'd say the endgame would be an easier sell for most anyone, but given such a vast difference, I can't see why you'd go to Mixer if you want to grow and grow and grow.
In almost 2 years time, if Ninja needs the audience, he'll go back to Twitch even if he doesn't like how Twitch used his channel immediately after his departure. As for Ninja's audience on Mixer now - go look for yourself; hes pulling in a fraction of what he was on Twitch. Its not even close.
All of these ignore a scenario where a streamer simply streams on both, ofc. And as to your first point - Twitch doesn't care what your viewership numbers are like; you don't need to have a viewer number minimum for you to stream on the platform. And this is all happening because Twitch is just letting the platform be a platform and not paying people to stay, because their average viewership numbers are so large that they know the streaming community is theirs. If Twitch was actually feeling the pressure, they would sign deals. But like Doc said, it seems like the numbers are around 1.5m vs. 50k or something - that isn't a fight; its a slaughter.
Oh, I'm not sure. I don't think so. Even if he did it wouldn't be nearly as much as the others got.
Well yeah, if I was just starting out I would never start on Mixer, hence the retirement home analogy.
You ignore the fact that you need to be partnered before you can earn anything on Twitch. And if you are partnered, you are bound exclusively to Twitch (for streaming).
So, yes, he can Stream on twitch, he can even Stream on Twitch and Mixer at the same time. But if he wants to make money, he must make a deal with Twitch. And if Twitch is inclined to give the dude a second chance it will come with some hefty "I was so wrong to leave you" propaganda.
And this is ultimately why I feel what MS has done - signing deals for content exclusivity in the streaming space - is ultimately stupid if their goal is to grow their audience. I was willing to give these deals some time to see if it would work out, but seeing Ninja's numbers essentially crater after the bump he enjoyed right after the deal was signed, and thus making MS go around and have to sign even more deals, is simply not going to work if their goal is to grow Mixer into a viable streaming platform that is competitive in the ad space alongside Twitch.
I've said it before in this thread - if MS wante dto actually get users to use Mixer long-term, they should've paid streamers to stream on both platforms, but only engage with the Mixer audience. This would've caused users to pop into a different URL, which is really what you're trying to do now. By taking these content makers away from the overwhelmingly large amount of eyeballs looking for this content, they are just ensuring they get far less exposure.
It's enough to have the affiliate status to get access to subscriptions.
Affiliate is kinda easy to get and you don't have to sign the exclusivity contract at that point but you get a lower share of each sub and you don't have access to the other fancy partner advantages.
This is actually a very good point. I wonder how that would have changed things with regards to Ninja's viewership.
I still find it so crazy how people treat these other people who play video games on camera as celebrities.
Then again, I hate celebrity culture in general so there ya go.
Then again, I hate celebrity culture in general so there ya go.
Twitch partnership would be almost instantly given. There are people who attain Twitch partnership with literally less than 300 viewers on average. Heck, in order to even be eligible to apply for Twitch partnership, you need to have an audience of like 70-100 MAU or something like that.
And while Twitch may or may not try to get the streamer to give them a victory lap ( we just haven't had that scenario play out), Twitch is in such a commanding lead of the streaming viewership market that they literally weren't even affected by losing these content makers.
In fact, I think the only reason we even care about Mixer so much is cause many of us view it as an extension of Xbox. In fact, Doc even points out that X1's default streams to Mixer so that they can inflate how many users they have on average. Given the numbers we are comparing here, I don't think theres an actual competition going on - merely an illusion of one.
I feel like the doc is just jealous tbh
Shroud and Ninja wouldn't have left if they weren't getting paid huge dollars. Doc doesn't care about anything else but money either, let's not pretend. If he were offered a huge deal, he would have dipped. He wasn't and thus, here we are.
Shroud and Ninja wouldn't have left if they weren't getting paid huge dollars. Doc doesn't care about anything else but money either, let's not pretend. If he were offered a huge deal, he would have dipped. He wasn't and thus, here we are.
The Doc is right. Also, having these people coming back like Ninja will be awkward. Also, people shitting on the Doc, he's owned up to his mistakes and his stream is great and provides a positive culture. He's always promoting being confident, healthy, active etc which is a great message for gamers who struggle with it.
you should absolutely get the bag if MS hands it to you. We're talking about guaranteed generational wealth in a 2 year contract. For your average streamer, if they have to take an extended break from steaming or fall sick, their income stops. A contract like those are security that you can't have otherwise. It's like getting the bag from Epic Games Store. It might not be wise as far as your fanbase is concerned, but who can fault a small company for taking it?
Every streamer should get the bag if Mixer/Twitch is offering one. But it doesn't change the fact that Doc is on the money here. It does mean you'll likely shed viewers and hurt your brand. But you can retire after those 2 years and never stream again or worry about money. Take it and don't look back.
Nah.
Then he can leave and find a new, better situation..?
What's the negative? A lot of these streamers are much smarter than people give them credit for. They have lawyers, managers and other sources of support to help them make smart fiscal decisions.
Especially for Ninja, lol. At this point, streaming income feels like residuals for him.
I think people are forgetting that these folks are multi-millioniaires.
What is next for Ninja? Retirement. He doesn't have to give a shit about streaming video games anymore thanks to Fortnite and Microsoft. He can get into ownership and start investing in things and never touch a video game again if he doesn't want to. He can put his brand on things like F1tality did back in the day with gaming products.
People are acting like these streamers are rubbing pennies together and if his audience shrinks down to a couple thousand it will be a disaster. He already made it, guys.
More or less awkward when he came back from his self-imposed infidelity break or his ban for streaming children in public restrooms?
Sadly, he was more popular each time, and I doubt it would be awkward for Ninja or Shroud to come back if they needed to.
You can "make it" and keep investing in your day-to-day.
Each time he broke out of character and admitted his mistakes and owned up to it. He realized it and even broke down admitting his mistakes. I haven't seen any apologizes from Twitch about using Ninja's channel to stream porn though.
Positive Culture *
kinda hard to tell when you try to portray someone that isn't supposed to be taken seriously but sometimes can come off as serious and kinda of an asshole but wait...
guys he's kidding around , it's a joke
I hate this sentiment. Why not just ignore the thread. Just because you don't like to talk about something, doesn't mean others shouldn't.
Ninja and Shroud going to another platform is a opportunity for streamers like Doc and TimTheTatMan. They would be silly to go to Mixer and fight for a smaller viewer base with two of the biggest streamers in the world.
Of course theres not the community on mixer YET. But I know personally that that is not why shroud moved, He would have made more money on twitch in the long run and he isnt slowing down any time soon, he already had more money than he could spend and was poised to make a stupid amount in 2020. Yeah the big check helped ease the blow from moving over and made that scary ass leap easier to make but its really over branding right and how twitch handles what streamers are allowed to do
Brand deals are a huge chunk of any other performers revenue in any other industry, twitch tries to control all that in the streaming area and people are sick of it.
because I expect some standards from this forum before it turns into GAF 2.0, and guys like him will only accelerate that
I believe dual streaming is against twitch partner guidelines
This is true, but not against Mixer partner guidelines. I know MANY partnered Mixer streamers who multistream to DLive, FB, Twitter, YouTube, Twitch, etc.
So... Watching the video for more than 5 minutes....
You start to see Dr. Disrespect drop his "character" and he seems to talk... Quite normal?
It's bizzare to see the eratic head shaking and profanity the doc is known for change into someone actually being serious. And he even wishes shroud and co. The best on mixer...?
You start to see Dr. Disrespect drop his "character" and he seems to talk... Quite normal?
It's bizzare to see the eratic head shaking and profanity the doc is known for change into someone actually being serious. And he even wishes shroud and co. The best on mixer...?
But, unlike the "something else" we have hard figures that you can't buy an audience.
Are you from 1950? From all the things that is wrong with that person, you are up in arms about him being unfaithful to his wife?
Sorry that I don't keep up with every shitty thing that he does. I never really follows him anyway because I thought he was an asshole right off the bat. Everything I know about him is random shit I see on here.
The character that cheated on his wife, or the character that encouraged the filming in a public toilet/restroom with minors clearly present? Because the lines are kinda difficult to separate. Plus, I just feel he's an obnoxious prick.
Say what you will about Doc, but he makes a fair point.
90% of Twitch streamers' sense of community starts and stops with a corny nickname for their subscribers and exclusive sub emotes. "Thanks for the 100 bitties, welcome to the batallion!" This paint-by-numbers strategy breeds no real loyalty from their viewership and would make a transition between platforms a pretty big step back each time, overall reach aside. They like the game and their skill set and have no lasting attachment to the player.
Inversely, Shroud will sit in front of his camera for hours and just chat with his community. They will watch him play a variety of games. That's why I think he could more easily play "free agent" between platforms and retain his followers, and thus value and overall impact to platform holders.
90% of Twitch streamers' sense of community starts and stops with a corny nickname for their subscribers and exclusive sub emotes. "Thanks for the 100 bitties, welcome to the batallion!" This paint-by-numbers strategy breeds no real loyalty from their viewership and would make a transition between platforms a pretty big step back each time, overall reach aside. They like the game and their skill set and have no lasting attachment to the player.
Inversely, Shroud will sit in front of his camera for hours and just chat with his community. They will watch him play a variety of games. That's why I think he could more easily play "free agent" between platforms and retain his followers, and thus value and overall impact to platform holders.
Sorry, I am not outraged about infidelity. I am not from the Bible Belt. There are more pressing issues with the world than cheating your SO.
"oh get over it I cheated on you so what, have you even seen what's happening in Hong Kong?"