Dragon Quest Community Thread |OT| Party Chat

[KtSlime]

It didn't really look like a smart phone game

It's probably PC, Switch and PS4. It's probably being made for a different market than the MMORPG market that already owns X Online

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It's definitely possible to render those graphics on smartphone... The part of the game that this is a remake of is about 10-15 hours at best to complete, and is free to play on all those platforms already, so I don't really see how they would have much success monetizing it on those platforms, and if it was purposely made so that it could be sold in Western markets, wouldn't it have been mentioned during broadcast?

Edit: this is just speculation, but I thought I should make it clear my point of view as someone who actively plays DQ10 and knows a bit about its current situation.

 

[ned_ballad]

It's definitely possible to render those graphics on smartphone... The part of the game that this is a remake of is about 10-15 hours at best to complete, and is free to play on all those platforms already, so I don't really see how they would have much success monetizing it on those platforms, and if it was purposely made so that it could be sold in Western markets, wouldn't it have been mentioned during broadcast?

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The localization of the eraser mobile game wasn't mentioned during the broadcast

They specifically mentioned when a title wasn't being localized, and X Offline didn't have that disclaimer

 

[The n00b Avenger]

The localization of the eraser mobile game wasn't mentioned during the broadcast

They specifically mentioned when a title wasn't being localized, and X Offline didn't have that disclaimer

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They did actually say they were releasing the mobile puzzle game overseas.

That said, while X Offline is the only one that didn't get blatantly stated to have an overseas release planned, they did say that "The Japanese version is being planned for a early-ish 2022 release" and it doesn't really make sense to say "Japanese version" if you aren't planning non-Japanese versions so there's a pretty good chance they're planning an overseas release for that too.

 

[Buckle]

Mobile is the first thing I thought of when I saw Offline.

Those are some really simple looking graphics and animations.

 

[Leo]

I think DQX offline is being made primarily for the portion of japanese gamers that aren't into MMORPGs, as the DQ fanbase has a lot of more traditional gamers who prefer single player games like... Dragon Quest.

But Horii did mention a while ago in an interview that he wanted to make an offline version of the game to let people on the west play it, so I doubt it isn't coming. The most likely reason they didn't announce it is because they're waiting for Nintendo or some other company to offer a deal to publish it, so they're waiting for the best offer.

I don't see it as a mobile exclusive game for the reason I explained above, it's targeting a different audience than the DQX online does, and that audience prefers traditional gaming, so they would be shooting their foot if they don't bring it to consoles.

That's all me speculating of course, but I'm pretty confident we will get the game on the Switch overseas.

 

[Deleted member 43657]

The speculation surrounding DQXII is sorta perplexing. Some podcasters/YouTubers suggest Horii's comments mean that DQXII will be action based or a hybrid like FFVIIR. This is being done, in many instances, to "appeal to the West".

Horii says "We're making changes to the command system"—that does not mean they're getting rid of it. A change could be something like the tension system in DQVIII, or being able to run around in DQXI.

People also state that going action would boost sales. Kinda strange logic considering DQXI has sold over 6 million copies according to their official Twitter. I'm going to assume at least some of the people who bought it are turn-based fans.

That said, I absolutely do NOT want to see this series go the way of FFVIIR. I did not like the action-oriented hybrid system they came up with. The mainline DQ games need to stick with being turn-based; it just doesn't feel right otherwise.

 

[Gloam]

The speculation surrounding DQXII is sorta perplexing. Some podcasters/YouTubers suggest Horii's comments mean that DQXII will be action based or a hybrid like FFVIIR. This is being done, in many instances, to "appeal to the West".

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I wouldn't take too much of what the most visible DQ YouTube types say about the series, they're kinda flying in the dark a lot of the time. It's a game of averages for a lot of those guys, you saw it with the "predictions" coming up to the anniversary. Weird, wild speculation.

 

[NioA]

I really wanted an offline version of Dragon Quest X, but I'm not really feeling that chibi style: I would have much preferred something a bit more detailed and still deformed like DQVII on 3ds. It's a bummer that we still couldn't get the original, I don't play any MMORPGs at all, but I would have gladly made an expection for DQ.

 

[Leo]

They already tried to make the series action in the past with IX, and the backlash was so big they stepped back. I don't think they would try to make it 100% action again (and Horii already tweeted people who don't like action games don't have to worry), but even if they did, they would probably meet the same backlash.

The current battle system is already different than the classic one (now everyone takes action immediately when you input their commands), so I expect some changes along those lines. I'm not worried.

 

[Psxphile]

I really wanted an offline version of Dragon Quest X, but I'm not really feeling that chibi style: I would have much preferred something a bit more detailed and still deformed like DQVII on 3ds. It's a bummer that we still couldn't get the original, I don't play any MMORPGs at all, but I would have gladly made an expection for DQ.

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It's a rather odd choice. You have this graphic engine and assets that look like a more refined version of DQVIII's (which as I recall everyone loved) and then decide rather than making an HD version of that but offline they'll just copy the DQ Builder look instead? I understand that maybe they want to differentiate between online and offline for some reason but I'm not sure this was the way to do it, especially if they wanted to bring in western gamers at some point. Surely they saw the complaints leveled against the Pokemon Diamond/Sapphire remakes?

 

[MoonFrog]

Maybe in the English broadcast, no mention of it in the main broadcast. They didn't mention hardware either, my guess is it is Smartphone, as PC/Switch/PS4 already have DQ10 Online.

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Not in the broadcast no, but a while back that was one of the reasons given for potentially making one.


Edit: https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...urn-the-mmo-into-an-offline-game-for-the-west

Notably, during the broadcast while DQX online had a "not intended to be released overseas" disclaimer, nothing else did.

The natural assumption is that DQX offline is indeed intended for overseas release.

 

[Leo]

It's a rather odd choice. You have this graphic engine and assets that look like a more refined version of DQVIII's (which as I recall everyone loved) and then decide rather than making an HD version of that but offline they'll just copy the DQ Builder look instead? I understand that maybe they want to differentiate between online and offline for some reason but I'm not sure this was the way to do it, especially if they wanted to bring in western gamers at some point. Surely they saw the complaints leveled against the Pokemon Diamond/Sapphire remakes?

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I'm not a huge fan of the new style either, and I would also prefer to have the graphics of the original game, but I think it's serviceable and it's worth it to finally be able to play DQX.

It's nothing like Pokémon either, the problem with that one isn't that it's chibi, it's just tasteless and poorly executed. DQX offline looks competent.

 

[Random Painted Highway]

Picking xi back up on the switch, put it down before due to time constraints. Only want one playthrough due to time. Do I complete chapter then change to 2d and redo it? I'm guessing it would be faster to get a couple chapters in and then double back due to getting overpowered? Suggestions?

 

[coredecepts]

Choose one graphical style and stick to it. You said you only want to do one playthrough.

 

[FSLink]

Picking xi back up on the switch, put it down before due to time constraints. Only want one playthrough due to time. Do I complete chapter then change to 2d and redo it? I'm guessing it would be faster to get a couple chapters in and then double back due to getting overpowered? Suggestions?

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Go with 3D if it's your first time through.

 

[Deleted member 43657]

Definitely play it in 3D. If the 3DS version had been released here, I'd be all over that 2D mode, but the 3D mode in S is just gorgeous and should not be missed.

 

[NioA]

I second this, the 2d mode is charming, but the 3d world is too gorgeous to miss

 

[1upsuper]

I just finished replaying the Loto trilogy, ending with II. I went with the mobile port of II on Switch, and holy cow, all the quality of life enhancements (the buff to Zoom in particular) practically turn it into a different game. My preference is still the Game Boy Color version for a more faithful experience, but if anyone has been hesitant to play the game after hearing about its difficulty, give the mobile version a shot. Or you could wait a few years and see if DQ I and II get the 2D HD treatment like Horii hinted.

 

[Deleted member 43657]

I think 2D-HD versions of DQI and II are sorta inevitable at this point. I wonder how much they'll subvert the story.

I'm especially interested in a "new" version of the first game.

 

[MoonFrog]

Congrats. I need to replay DQ1-3.

I imagine they'll just do a close version of the games like they seem to be doing DQ3, and then maybe bundle them together.

 

[KtSlime]

When Horii said One and Two he almost certainly meant I・II and not separate releases.

 

[Leo]

Ive been thinking, maybe they didn't announce any ports on the anniversary stream because it wasn't their plan? They only showed original games, after all (well, there was a remake, but it's a new game nonetheless, not a port).

Another reason is that if the ports of IV-VI or VII-VIII are coming to the Switch, Nintendo are probably the ones publishing them and they might be on their E3 direct.

Might be wishful thinking, but I still have hope to see something on E3.

 

[Leo]

And I-II are most definitely coming, there's no reason not to make them. III will sell gangbusters (and I feel it might be kind of a breakthrough in the west, will probably sell numbers close to XI), and they have all the assets done, they would be just leaving money on the table if they didn't. Also, I doubt Horii would say that in such an important event if it wasn't all but confirmed.

 

[Gloam]

Ive been thinking, maybe they didn't announce any ports on the anniversary stream because it wasn't their plan? They only showed original games, after all (well, there was a remake, but it's a new game nonetheless, not a port).

Another reason is that if the ports of IV-VI or VII-VIII are coming to the Switch, Nintendo are probably the ones publishing them and they might be on their E3 direct.

Might be wishful thinking, but I still have hope to see something on E3.

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I dunno, it seemed that the talk of all these ports seemed like wishful thinking from the start. But you could be on to something with that Nintendo putting up the bill.

 

[Choppasmith]

Ive been thinking, maybe they didn't announce any ports on the anniversary stream because it wasn't their plan? They only showed original games, after all (well, there was a remake, but it's a new game nonetheless, not a port).

Another reason is that if the ports of IV-VI or VII-VIII are coming to the Switch, Nintendo are probably the ones publishing them and they might be on their E3 direct.

Might be wishful thinking, but I still have hope to see something on E3.

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I had the exact same thought and am also hopeful we might get something in the upcoming Direct.

And I-II are most definitely coming, there's no reason not to make them. III will sell gangbusters (and I feel it might be kind of a breakthrough in the west, will probably sell numbers close to XI), and they have all the assets done, they would be just leaving money on the table if they didn't. Also, I doubt Horii would say that in such an important event if it wasn't all but confirmed.

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Yeah, my first thought was imagine beating DQIII and seeing "TO BE CONTINUED IN DRAGON QUEST I+II" and NOT have something coming.

 

[Deleted member 43657]

I want to live in a world where the HD-2D remake of DQIII is hugely successful in the west.

 

[MoonFrog]

I doubt that will come to pass sadly. But who knows I guess. Would be nice.

 

[stn]

Quick questions...

1. What level do I need to be to fight the true final boss?

2. If I'm making my way to the true final boss, can I still "zoom" out and then return if I want? I want to avoid hitting a point of no return.

Thanks!

 

[Daria]

Bought DQ from the eShop last week and I'm about a hour into it. Should I be following the linear travel path or is it best to roam around? Farm for a little bit maybe? Is that even possible? Because it seems like there's a lot of free roam ability but I fear that I'm just walking around without really advancing the story.

So far I've been uncovering the map and following their vague "South West" directions, but I'm worried I will accidentally stumble into higher level areas that should come later.

 

[Psxphile]

Quick questions...

1. What level do I need to be to fight the true final boss?

2. If I'm making my way to the true final boss, can I still "zoom" out and then return if I want? I want to avoid hitting a point of no return.

Thanks!

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kinda hard for anyone to give advice not knowing which DQ you're currently playing

Bought DQ from the eShop last week and I'm about a hour into it. Should I be following the linear travel path or is it best to roam around? Farm for a little bit maybe? Is that even possible? Because it seems like there's a lot of free roam ability but I fear that I'm just walking around without really advancing the story.

So far I've been uncovering the map and following their vague "South West" directions, but I'm worried I will accidentally stumble into higher level areas that should come later.

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In DQ1 you can expect tougher monsters anytime you have to cross over a bridge, they're pretty much split up by landmass.
In this game plot doesn't really advance so much as you simply strengthen your character and gain the tools you need to access the Dragonlord's castle.
Town NPCs will clue you in on areas to explore but some places are going to be off-limits until you can start buying up Magic Keys.
Always put excess gold in the Bank just in case you *do* get killed whilst exploring.
There's a cave on the landmass west of Tantegel that exists only to be looted. It's several floors deep and a good place to gain levels as you explore, but take it slow. You won't be sweeping it in one go.

 

[stn]

kinda hard for anyone to give advice not knowing which DQ you're currently playing



In DQ1 you can expect tougher monsters anytime you have to cross over a bridge, they're pretty much split up by landmass.
In this game plot doesn't really advance so much as you simply strengthen your character and gain the tools you need to access the Dragonlord's castle.
Town NPCs will clue you in on areas to explore but some places are going to be off-limits until you can start buying up Magic Keys.
Always put excess gold in the Bank just in case you *do* get killed whilst exploring.
There's a cave on the landmass west of Tantegel that exists only to be looted. It's several floors deep and a good place to gain levels as you explore, but take it slow. You won't be sweeping it in one go.

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Whoops, I'm playing DQ11. I'm currently level 57 and feel somewhat underpowered.

 

[The n00b Avenger]

There's actually a lot of stuff to do at part 3 that will get you a lot of levels and equipment and how hard it is at that level will also depend on how advanced your equipment is.

57 kind of sounds like you skipped most of the Act 3 content so you probably don't have great equipment either. It's certainly possible to win at that point but it won't be easy. Level 60~ combined with the best equipment is generally recommended and going higher will give you an easier time.

Also if you didn't go to the Drustral Trials you won't have a key piece of information to make the fight easier.

 

[stn]

There's actually a lot of stuff to do at part 3 that will get you a lot of levels and equipment and how hard it is at that level will also depend on how advanced your equipment is.

57 kind of sounds like you skipped most of the Act 3 content so you probably don't have great equipment either. It's certainly possible to win at that point but it won't be easy. Level 60~ combined with the best equipment is generally recommended and going higher will give you an easier time.

Also if you didn't go to the Drustral Trials you won't have a key piece of information to make the fight easier.

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So I've basically been doing the main quest of Act 3 and nothing more. I'm at the

Spoiler: SPOILER

Drustan first trial and got my ass whooped by the Shadow boss. I feel like its doable but barely, which means the final boss will probably give me trouble.

Are there some side quests or something that I missed? Is there a recommended way to grind to make things faster? I've been playing for 50 hours and I want to beat the game to take a break.

 

[ned_ballad]

I don't think 57 is enough to beat the final boss comfortably. That's gonna be a rough fight

 

[NioA]

When I'm done with Octopath's final boss, I'm going to play DQI and II on the Switch, any particular advice? I know the first game can be completed in a few hours and it's basically a grindfest til the final boss, but I'm still curious to try it. I ADORE this series, so trying the Loto trilogy might be an interesting experience even ifthose games are archaic.
I'm probably going to wait the remake for DQIII, it seems just too cool and maybe I'll like it better without knowing the original...

 

[ned_ballad]

Dragon Quest I is actually really good. I don't know if you have to grind that much, it doesn't have metal enemies or anything like that so it's not assuming you're packing serious EXP

I think I remember the grind in DQI was more for gold than EXP

I've never played II, but I've heard it's challenging, a little annoying, but still pretty good

 

[Quinton]

I'm playing DQIV for the first time and man. At least half of my enjoyment stems from the party chat. I feel for those who played without it.

 

[Psxphile]

Alena and Torneko's chapters more than made up for the lack of party chat when I played the DS version way back when.

It got kinda solemn once the party was fully formed, though. Not enough tomfoolery, the team was all business.

 

[MoonFrog]

It is perfectly fine w/o party chat. One of my favorite games of all time and I've never played it with. Not saying party chat isn't a nice feature, but the game does a lot to characterize the characters even excluding it. For example, the chapter structure putting you in the shoes of the characters as you pursue their idiosyncratic objectives within their idiosyncratic conditions, says a lot about who they are.

 

[Anustart]

Trying to fill a moat in DW Builders 2 is an exercise in frustration.

 

[CrazyDude]

3DS games have gotten really expensive.

 

[Razorrin]

Trying to fill a moat in DW Builders 2 is an exercise in frustration.

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You can hold the pour button while using the bucket to expand the amount of tiles you are making into water blocks, so that you can fill a still body of water much easier, that should help with making a moat if that's what you're trying to do.

Beware with Poisoned Dirt Blocks like from one of the early islands, they'll make your water into Dirty Water if they touch it.

 

[Anustart]

You can hold the pour button while using the bucket to expand the amount of tiles you are making into water blocks, so that you can fill a still body of water much easier, that should help with making a moat if that's what you're trying to do.

Beware with Poisoned Dirt Blocks like from one of the early islands, they'll make your water into Dirty Water if they touch it.

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Yeah Ive been holding it. But I always end up with empty spots in the middle of the moat, have to build a platform out and manually pour into each one it seems

 

[Lindsay]

Before I prematurely(?) give up on it, I've been on/off at DQ Heroes II for 2 months now an like I can't beat Cesar. Who I consider to be the first real boss of the game. Like each time I load the game up I go and die to him and shelve it again for weeks. He's got me good at least 6 times now. My parties Level 10 and I've tried running around grinding for even just 1 more level but it was taking so long that I just gave up. I get his attack tells an whether I get hit or avoid them it feels like he's already winding up for the next giving little to no time to attack him. I'm not sure that even if I did beat him I'd be able ta handle the rest of the game. An theres no difficulty options, which sucks! I really dunno what to do here >.<

 

[Deleted member 43657]

I just looked up the prices of DQ games on the DS/3DS.

I'm sitting on a gold mine, apparently.

 

[Quinton]

Alena and Torneko's chapters more than made up for the lack of party chat when I played the DS version way back when.

It got kinda solemn once the party was fully formed, though. Not enough tomfoolery, the team was all business.

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It is perfectly fine w/o party chat. One of my favorite games of all time and I've never played it with. Not saying party chat isn't a nice feature, but the game does a lot to characterize the characters even excluding it. For example, the chapter structure putting you in the shoes of the characters as you pursue their idiosyncratic objectives within their idiosyncratic conditions, says a lot about who they are.

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Fair enough! There's just so much goodness in there is all. I guess if I didn't know what I'd been missing I'd be happy with the rest as well, for the reasons you've mentioned.

 

[the magical kitsune]

I just looked up the prices of DQ games on the DS/3DS.

I'm sitting on a gold mine, apparently.

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I checked recently and the prices are insane. With the possible exception of DQ9, all mainline games on DS / 3DS easily go upwards of $100, DQ5 can even sell complete for $250, that's wild.

The pricing difference between DQ8 3DS and DQ8 PS2 is about 100 bucks. Now I understand more why some are reluctant to try the 3ds version and instead go for the original.

 

[styl_oh]

Comments and Questions:

1. Is DQ11 for Switch actually out of print or is this COVID shenanigans? It went from $64.99 CAD to not available. I've been haunting eBay for god's sake.
2. Might give up and go digital for Builders, cuz that definitely is OOP.
3. IT SUCKS THAT YOU CAN'T PLAY DQX SWITCH IN CANADA FOR SOME ARBITRARY REASON やばい
4. Playing Chrono Trigger before my next DQ (6) and it has some seriously great Toriyama stuff.
5. I bought Dragon Quest Wars. I don't know. It was like 3 bucks
6. Can't decide whether to pay like $100+ total for Monsters GBC carts or a lot less and try to play them in Japanese. Anyone know if they're kana-only? Cuz that, in addition to the pixellation, would probably suck.

Quinton you're playing IV?! That might be my favourite, even more than V and III. Alena might be my favourite DQ character but I just loved the whole team. Have fun and laugh merrily at the fact that they made not one, but a shitload of Mystery Dungeon games starring Torneko. Oh and you might have to check a guide on how Hoffman Town works on mobile, if that's how you're playing it--it's different from the DS, and the Internet at large refuses to acknowledge this.

 

[guru-guru]

Comments and Questions:

1. Is DQ11 for Switch actually out of print or is this COVID shenanigans? It went from $64.99 CAD to not available. I've been haunting eBay for god's sake.
2. Might give up and go digital for Builders, cuz that definitely is OOP.
3. IT SUCKS THAT YOU CAN'T PLAY DQX SWITCH IN CANADA FOR SOME ARBITRARY REASON やばい
4. Playing Chrono Trigger before my next DQ (6) and it has some seriously great Toriyama stuff.
5. I bought Dragon Quest Wars. I don't know. It was like 3 bucks
6. Can't decide whether to pay like $100+ total for Monsters GBC carts or a lot less and try to play them in Japanese. Anyone know if they're kana-only? Cuz that, in addition to the pixellation, would probably suck.

Quinton you're playing IV?! That might be my favourite, even more than V and III. Alena might be my favourite DQ character but I just loved the whole team. Have fun and laugh merrily at the fact that they made not one, but a shitload of Mystery Dungeon games starring Torneko. Oh and you might have to check a guide on how Hoffman Town works on mobile, if that's how you're playing it--it's different from the DS, and the Internet at large refuses to acknowledge this.

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You can play DQX on Switch in Canada with a VPN! Essentially, what you have to do is use a VPN on your desktop or laptop (connect to a Japan server), turn mobile hotspot on in your pc/laptop settings, then connect your Switch to the mobile hotspot. I've been playing DQX this way in Canada for the last 6 months with zero issues.

 

[Leo]

I just looked up the prices of DQ games on the DS/3DS.

I'm sitting on a gold mine, apparently.

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Yup. I have all the DS/3DS games and I try not to think about it too much because if I do, I'd have to sell them lol the prices are just bonkers.