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Dragon Dogma is so overrated
- Thread starter fireflame
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It's not all that great. Even the combat is overrated. It's good for an ARPG, but it has diminished returns since so much of the game's focus is spread out (open world, inventory, quests, customization) and most of the things that it focuses on are terribly executed.
What's annoying about that clip is that it shaves off the ~10 seconds of charge up.
What's annoying about that clip is that it shaves off the ~10 seconds of charge up.
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It is just an opinion I don't claim it to be absolute, I should have added "in my opinion", but I thought this was understated.
Aw, hell nah.
It's properly rated, it's just that a lot of us love it and we're super vocal about it!
It's properly rated, it's just that a lot of us love it and we're super vocal about it!
So you think it's overrated, but somehow also you don't take issue with other people's view of it?
The problem is there is the way it was received, and the way it is talked about on Era. It was reviewed as pretty good, but talked about like it is one of the best games of the last decade. I'd say the initial reviews were closer to the truth.
When Dark Arisen came out, had a friend praise it to me as if it were the second coming of Jesus.
Gave it a shot, played it completely, even Bitterblack Isle. I really enjoyed my time with it, gave me D&D vibes that most RPG's don't really give. Overrated? No. Some people are a bit hyperbolic with their praise for it sometimes.
Dragons Dogma is a really good 7/10 game.
Gave it a shot, played it completely, even Bitterblack Isle. I really enjoyed my time with it, gave me D&D vibes that most RPG's don't really give. Overrated? No. Some people are a bit hyperbolic with their praise for it sometimes.
Dragons Dogma is a really good 7/10 game.
Kind of agree. Boring world and characters. Combat is fun, but I don't really think it's anything special.
That said, I'm positive a sequel will improve upon everything significantly. I want to like the game as I really dig the music and aesthetic. I'm hoping for true co op.
That said, I'm positive a sequel will improve upon everything significantly. I want to like the game as I really dig the music and aesthetic. I'm hoping for true co op.
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the pros exceeded the cons for other people who enjoyed the fight system it seems. But even this specific point left me unconvinced..i didn't understand why it often felt easier to kill a giant cyclope than to deal with a bunch of thugs, and I felt frustrated with fight options I had . I just couldn't enjoy fights.
It's very janky. If I were in my teens, I would definitely be able to push through to find the diamond, but as of now, probably not.
My seven hours in the game waffled between the game playing itself because my pawns were too effective against trash mobs, and getting my shit utterly wrecked on minor side quests with absolutely *zero* in-between so that I could actually try and learn the game. The side quests have weird qualifiers like only being active at certain times of day and ALSO being under time limits that the game didn't deign to tell me about. The tutorial was nonsense, tedious, and unhelpful, and the mechanics were clunky while still demanding perfection from the player.
Like, I think I get what the game was trying to go for, but it just wasn't for me. Seven hours in and I was bored and frustrated to tears.
Like, I think I get what the game was trying to go for, but it just wasn't for me. Seven hours in and I was bored and frustrated to tears.
I don't think you get what my problem is.
I'm taking issue not with your view of the game, but your attempt to frame the praise it's gotten as a bad thing.
Maybe that's not what you're trying to do, but with this thread title, that's what you're doing.
I mean a lot of your criticisms are valid but I also feel that you might have had the wrong expectations coming into this game. People like DD for its combat, music and art direction, not because it has an engrossing storyline, world or character writing.
I like the game but it's a "more than the sum of its parts" kinda thing with a lot of flaws that could be ironed out with a sequel. Hopefully Itsuno will get to work on DD2 soon like he said he wanted to.
I like the game but it's a "more than the sum of its parts" kinda thing with a lot of flaws that could be ironed out with a sequel. Hopefully Itsuno will get to work on DD2 soon like he said he wanted to.
I always thought the game looked super bland and the character models were pretty ugly. That always put me off.
I sort of get where you are coming from OP. Here's my take from another thread:
Dragon's Doggo Dark Arisen.
Playing it has become a bit of chore. Fantastic combat system, deep character customization options, pawn system is a very innovative and useful feature, good variety of foes, esp. bosses and to that end, Grigori has to be perhaps the most sinister looking dragon in any game in his entirety:
Source: IGN
However, environments are drab AF (think it being a last gen game really hurt it in some places), story is utterly mediocre and lack of control over pawns on the flip side can result in lack of any form of synergy during more intense combat scenarios leading to chaos.
Agree with all of this. It's a lifeless, soulless world and the combat couldn't carry it for me.
I am usually a huge fan of Capcom's games, too.
I personnally didn't like the game at all.
Artistic direction, apart from the monsters is ugly. Human faces are terrible. Photorealistic environments are bland and boring...
Traversal is a pain, with your character moving slowly as hell. I must have taken the Mountain road between capital and the first fort a dozen times for the first quests.
Pawns are weird (brainless slaves humans without will coming from another dimension , Wtf ? I hope there is a lore explanation for that, cause it's quite stupid and borderline frightening) and they won't shut up, telling you the same things you already know at the exact same places.
story is painfully told through the open world quest system, and it gives some really dumb moments
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People say the game shines through its endgame, but it's just not for me, I don't want to put 40 hours into a game before it's cool...
Artistic direction, apart from the monsters is ugly. Human faces are terrible. Photorealistic environments are bland and boring...
Traversal is a pain, with your character moving slowly as hell. I must have taken the Mountain road between capital and the first fort a dozen times for the first quests.
Pawns are weird (brainless slaves humans without will coming from another dimension , Wtf ? I hope there is a lore explanation for that, cause it's quite stupid and borderline frightening) and they won't shut up, telling you the same things you already know at the exact same places.
story is painfully told through the open world quest system, and it gives some really dumb moments
like when the duke tortures you believing you attacked his wife, and just after you can go see him and he gives you a mission like nothing happened
People say the game shines through its endgame, but it's just not for me, I don't want to put 40 hours into a game before it's cool...
The combat was so far beyond other games of its type though. Look at that clunky shit we get in Skyrim or The Witcher. Dogma's combat made me feel like more of a hero than most world building in similar games ever has.
I mean, I'm not surprised. Back when it first came out it was great but it's a 2012 game with a few bells added later on. It is still a 7 year old game. I'm sure we've all played many great games since then and it's hard to find anything revolutionary or amazing now.
I love Dragon's Dogma a lot and the story/lore/world does eventually get interesting, but it's unarguably a janky and inconsistent game so I'd totally get why someone wouldn't be into it. It's why I really want a sequel. If you take all that raw material and refine it into something much more polished, it could be incredible.
Eh, I agree that the story and quests are bland but existing fans never really tried to sell the game on those points because they fully acknowledged they were poor. They mostly said combat was the strongest point and I agree. The flexibility and experimentation the Class system affords is refreshing and I felt most Classes changed how the game played that, by the time I got bored of one, I could easily switch and delve into another.
The ability to climb onto something and wack it allows for some wild combat storytelling. I remember fights where I climbed up a Cyclops, did a bunch of damage to it, and then leapt off it and latched onto a second Cyclops before the first could damage me. I remember grabbing onto a Griffin and then falling 100 feet after it flew really high and shook me off. There's lots of systemic storytelling that can happen as well: wade into waist high water in a cavern and the lantern on your belt gets snuffed, exposing you to bats that swoop overhead. It's little details like that that created so many memorable moments for me, personally.
The ability to climb onto something and wack it allows for some wild combat storytelling. I remember fights where I climbed up a Cyclops, did a bunch of damage to it, and then leapt off it and latched onto a second Cyclops before the first could damage me. I remember grabbing onto a Griffin and then falling 100 feet after it flew really high and shook me off. There's lots of systemic storytelling that can happen as well: wade into waist high water in a cavern and the lantern on your belt gets snuffed, exposing you to bats that swoop overhead. It's little details like that that created so many memorable moments for me, personally.
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I was craving an epic RPG with dragons and quests and adventures.
So I picked up Dragon Age Inquisition.
3 Hours in my finger was cramping from holding the 'attack button' and I was listening to a podcast as I was mindlessly watching my character do the same attack animation loop that has no real impact outside of lowering a hit box. Right there and then, RPGs was a dead genre to me. Dragon Inquisition killed my love for RPGs.
So I went back to Dragons Dogma and my love for fantasy RPGs was renewed. I've never played a game that had me so focus on what was going on. Had me afraid to go out at night. Had me scream in joy as I climbed the back of a flying beast as it took off and I stabbed it to death mid air. Dragons Dogma was the true evolution of fantasy RPG. Everything else where sidesteps.
So I picked up Dragon Age Inquisition.
3 Hours in my finger was cramping from holding the 'attack button' and I was listening to a podcast as I was mindlessly watching my character do the same attack animation loop that has no real impact outside of lowering a hit box. Right there and then, RPGs was a dead genre to me. Dragon Inquisition killed my love for RPGs.
So I went back to Dragons Dogma and my love for fantasy RPGs was renewed. I've never played a game that had me so focus on what was going on. Had me afraid to go out at night. Had me scream in joy as I climbed the back of a flying beast as it took off and I stabbed it to death mid air. Dragons Dogma was the true evolution of fantasy RPG. Everything else where sidesteps.
The "problem" is the OP is getting the wrong impression of how the game was received based on Era feedback.
Calm yourself. If you like mediocre games like DD, go ahead and enjoy them.
And the incredibly unique pawn system which feels super rewarding. Nothing quite like it has been done so far.
The class system is also excellent. It's the rare multiclass system that rewards changing at will and exploring all your options instead of planning everything in advance.
It's about going out and exploring and over coming the dangers you come across with freaking awesome combat. I don't see how you can say a Itsuno game has bad combat.
Yeah pretty much every facet of the gameplay is great, not just the combat.
I started it like 3 times and dropped out each and every time.
The combat is good but there is literally nothing else to the game. If it was an 10 hour linear dungeon crawler it would have been a way better game. And if you don't think the combat is amazing then there is absolutely nothing to do
The combat is good but there is literally nothing else to the game. If it was an 10 hour linear dungeon crawler it would have been a way better game. And if you don't think the combat is amazing then there is absolutely nothing to do
The combat is great, but overall the game has some major flaws. IT's a good foundationf ro a more expansive sequel though, though Capom doesn't seem keen to actually make another one.