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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| The waiting game
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Tracksuit gohan could probably manage at least SSJ2 in a pinch, even though he's light on training, he probably has had more in the way of fighting experience.
Yeah, at best the fight lasts a little longer than it would have lasted if tracksuit Gohan was back to his training self/ the Gohan in the exhibition tournament, which would easily wipe the floor with Future Gohan in one hit.
Nope, future Gohan is really that weak. He would still go down in one hit. Remember that in the movie Gohan took out a guy who was giving Piccolo trouble in one hit, and Piccolo is far stronger than the Androids were. Future Gohan couldn't beat the Androids.
You have to remember that peace time Gohan still went even with Dabra as a Super Saiyan and the guy (Dabra) was said to be around Perfect Cell level.
Difference is im well aware Goten has done jack shit since his introduction chapters 😂😂
There were still some known changes during the ToP too, like rejecting Toyo's pages that showed Belmod and his angel flirting. Toriyama also rewrote the interactions of Ribrianne with the main cast (and he was also the one that added the bit with the arms of her two partners extending to wrap 18 rather than just making them hold her). We don't know about anything from later into the ToP or during the current arc though.
That and depending on the source, Future Gohan was only about as strong as Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku. And in the retelling of Resurrection 'F', Gohan is stronger than his movie counterpart since he took out Ginyu-Togama with two hits as a Super Saiyan who was stronger than normal Tagoma who tanked a punch from Piccolo and ripped his arm off. In fact, retelling implied base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo.
TLDR: Future Gohan is fodder.
Good points I forgot about. Strangely, it's around this time that we haven't learned if Toriyama fixed the story script that Toyo's writing went off a cliff. Like compare how he writes Goku in the Future Trunks Saga and even the beginning of the Universal Survival Saga to how he writes Goku from the TOP onwards. Yeah, his Goku wasn't great since he doubled down on the 'Goku is a bad father', but his writing with Goku and other characters have been getting worst.
Vegeta is a good father in Super despite his flaws. In Z, he was an abusive piece of shit.
1. It doesn't mean shit
How come I've never seen yall talk about this or did I miss it
2. The anime is a sequel to the anime.
There's not much to talk about but yeah, I went to one of those events and they had a big timeline with the manga events going right into the new manga stuff. It makes sense, sucks that the DBS manga is kind of... eh
How come I've never seen yall talk about this or did I miss it
I don't think they'll ever commit to an official canon between the manga and anime. Viz will call the manga canon at times, to help promote the manga, and Toei will call the anime canon at times to help promote the anime, but an official and universal canon, I doubt we'll get that.
Well, Moro is Omega with being a walking Dragon Ball villain reference with no irony. But like Super 17, he also didn't stay long enough to be anything but boring.
At this point, I'm not sure if I should be more annoyed at Toyo or his editor.
The DB formula of bad guy constantly bullshitting a new power up really does not play well with monthly format pacing.....and you know the fact this whole is poorly recreating DBZ's greatest hits without understanding why the worked in the first place. For the love of Dende someone kill this bootleg fake goat Cell fuck
Super actually didn't use that typical villain formula a lot besides with Black
Super actually didn't use that typical villain formula a lot besides with Black
DId anyone see that interview with the V-Jump editor "Victory" Uchida? Gives a lot of details on the actual creative proccess that's involved with creating the manga. It was originally a video but here's the bulletpoints translated (copy and pasted from reddit):
- Uchida says that he works out the story alongside Toriyama and Toyotaro
- Toyotaro turns in the storyboards to ed.
- Ed. passes on the storyboard to Toriyama for one more check
- Toyotaro's storyboards are unusually detailed because of this extra Toriyama check
- Uchida and his co-host mention that Page 8 (the last page published to the official site as a preview) acts as a cliffhanger, with a twist/reveal on Page 9
- His cohost also has a copy of the entire chapter's storyboard, and marvels at the cunning of cutting the preview off on Page 8
- The story is basically at its climax
- This story wrapping up means a new one is going to have to start soon
- There's a story meeting scheduled for two days after recording (like either 10/15 or 10/16 then)
- The plan/norm at this stage is just to narrow down general ideas with Toriyama and Toyotaro
- Uchida says it's basically like narrowing ten options down to three (the scope of these options—whether entire storyline premises or details—isn't specified; seems more like it's brought up to give a general impression of early story meetings)
- Everyone agrees that "Migatte no Gokui" (English name: Ultra Instinct) is a very cool name
- The cohost talks about Ultra Instinct as if it debuted in the manga first; oops. Uchida rolls with it.
- Uchida references talking about "having him (Goku) progress in this kind of direction" during a story meeting, sometime early during UI's conception
- In those initial discussions on Migatte no Gokui, Uchida did not expect it would come with a major appearance change; Toriyama's silver-haired design came as a surprise
- Uchida references the cool expression on Toriyama's UI illustration (Is this just his Battle of Gods Super Saiyan God recolor illustration we've seen?)
- They talk about the clever pun of "Migatte no Gokui" (using the characters making up "migatte," a word for "selfish" literally, to express the idea of the body moving of its own accord)
- "Power balance" of story meetings: Toriyama: 100 million; Toyotaro: 10 million: Uchida: -100
- There's a real sense of "compatibility" between Toriyama and Toyotaro
- Their ideas don't seem to clash with one another
- They tend to simply agree with the others' ideas and build off of them (seems like a "yes, and" sort of thing; though this is also a very polite PR presentation of the meetings, so who knows)
- A second meeting metaphor: Toriyama: Goku; Toyotaro: Vegeta; Uchida: Yamcha
- Uchida says he feels lucky to be present at those meetings as a fan himself
- Volume 14 is out on 12/4, and covers up through the September issue's chapter
I'm sure Toriyama is as involved with the manga as he is with his taxes.
Not at all, lmao. We need to stop with this narrative that Toyotaro is the sole writer of the manga. This is clearly not the case. It's completely false.
wait this is pretty cool tho lol
We have reached the absolute rock bottom.
It would be in literally any other context, yeah. But this is clearly the "The mechanics devolve into nonsense" part of the Toyotaro Cycle
Moro should've been pulling Dr Strange shit from day 1, not randomly at the very end
We have reached the absolute rock bottom.
I saw this and I thought it was fake.
What references?