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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| The waiting game
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Actually, I forgot they did give the Shadow Dragons new forms fairly recently. Although they're quite literally just recoloring like Golden Cooler.
And in the same chapter that ends with Vegeta rushing headlong into a battle where he instantly loses. Rather than hyping Vegeta, it just makes Piccolo look dumb. Looking back, Toyotaro seems to write lines that make Piccolo look bad rather often when Piccolo is involved in the story somehow. It really makes it seem like he doesn't like him.
There was Piccolo being self-depreciating during the U6 arc, and he also undermined Piccolo training Gohan for the tournament by leaving it to one page and adding that extra chapter that showed Gohan training even before that point. It's all fairly minor, but at this point it's making a pattern.
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His Piccolo is so OOC, it wouldn't surprise me if he dislikes the character. If that's the case, why even bring him around at all. Even when he was fighting with Gohan, Piccolo spends most of the time being Gohan's cheerleader and not really his own character.
Yeah that sounds right
Piccolo has been reduced to:
-Gohan's cheerleader
-Gohan's meat shield
-Teacher of old technique
The manga is so vastly different that you are better off starting from the beginning if I'm being honest.
The bad news is that the majority of the differences make it a lot worse.
I'd guess it's mostly about him being an Android now, just like how Moro himself couldn't absorb the power of androids.
The manga is much faster paced than the anime for all the content that was covered by the anime, and has many differences. The BoGs arc even basically assumes you've already watched the movie (with the later movies being outright skipped, even though the manga does some extra set up for Revival F).
I liked couple of crumbs that DBS Manga has. Like SSJ Black being used, which Toriyama specified.
But yeah, it has problems. Moro's new form is hilariously cliche.
But yeah, it has problems. Moro's new form is hilariously cliche.
I'm like completely out of the loop with the manga and Toriyama's involvement.
Does he give the manga staff a general idea of what he wants and they just roll with it or he's basically out of the picture? Does he even like how the manga is headed? Why isn't he more involved, if so?
Does he give the manga staff a general idea of what he wants and they just roll with it or he's basically out of the picture? Does he even like how the manga is headed? Why isn't he more involved, if so?
Toriyama gives the outline for each arc, and also reviews the chapter's storyboards that come back afterwards, sometimes even redrawing or rewriting some content (like Ribrianne's interactions with Kuririn, 18 and Beerus in the manga were actually by Toriyama. He also also the one that drew Ribrianne's allies extending their hands like tentacles to hold 18). The manga volumes sometimes come with extra material showing some of Toriyama's direct input or corrections.
Toyotaro has commented that Toriyama mostly focuses on comedic moments, although we know there have been a few times he was involved with serious elements. Toriyama drew the introduction of the U6 tournament with the space hymn and also redrew Toyotaro's take on the planet (which was very small initially rather than actually planet-sized). Toriyama was the one who pushed to make Shin more dignified and serious in the manga version of the Trunks arc, he also redrew Toyotaro's introductory panels for Zamasu. Toriyama also outright forced Toyotaro to change Belmod's introduction in the manga, where he initially was shown flirting with his angel, but apparently Toriyama doesn't want angels involved in romance (this one was from a tv show, rather than a manga volume).
The current arc is more muddled, since apparently Toyotaro was participating in its creation from the start, even designing the new ally and villains. However, it was mentioned in an interview that Merus' secret was actually Toriyama's idea.
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I'm still waiting for the dumb plot twist that he's doctor Wheelo in his Human form.Heroes has finally done it and perfected its craft.
Dr. W is the worst Dragon Ball villain ever conceived.
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To be fair, I think the Future Trunks Saga of the manga is worth reading. While I personally think it's vastly inferior to the anime for reasons I named so many times that people a probably sick of it, it does have many enjoyable parts and Goku vs Merged Zamasu is very good. Which is kinda of annoying that Toyo has been on a spiral since with the More arc only being better than his version of the TOP because his version of it was awful.
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I'm kinda ready to upgrade my DBZ movie collection to Blu-ray. Yet here I am still waiting for Funimation to port the newest transfers whom Toei randomly dumped on their streaming services and also released on Blu-ray like 2 years ago.
You would think they would like easy money considering they haven't released the Z films in 12 years ago in 2008. Bang Zoom was even nice to remaster the English audio track for Fusion Reborn and Movie 8 for those Theatrical releases they did before the Broly: Super film came out. Meanwhile. they're just sitting on them.
I'm not really in the mood to go out and buy their double feature Blu-ray's again when the newest transfers are already out there.
You would think they would like easy money considering they haven't released the Z films in 12 years ago in 2008. Bang Zoom was even nice to remaster the English audio track for Fusion Reborn and Movie 8 for those Theatrical releases they did before the Broly: Super film came out. Meanwhile. they're just sitting on them.
I'm not really in the mood to go out and buy their double feature Blu-ray's again when the newest transfers are already out there.
Lol me too. If you consumed a decent amount of Dragon Ball media, this would be your natural assumption as well.
Was that supposed to be a secret? Hearing "Dr.W", him being Wheelo is what I naturally assumed.
I only called it one because that's the way they are gonna treat it when it's revealed.
As good as Goku vs Zamasu is, it can't make up for all the shit Toyo pulled in that arc.
He completely ruined Black and Zamasu.
:/
The 30th anniversary sets were all on Funimation, but Toei has their own set of DB home media release problems.
At this point, I just want the movies re-released with their newest transfers over here. It's been 12 years since the last official HD release for them. I'd even take the old dubs again if they improved the audio like those theatrical releases they did a while back.
The transfer portion has already been finished by Toei, unless they want to color correct for them some more.
Regarding the future of Super and Dragonball in general, do people even want to see a time skip and have characters like Goten, Kid Trunks, Pan, Buu, Uub (is he even canon anymore?) etc. have story arcs and develop into more pronounced roles?
The way it is now, the power level ceiling is just so high and at a literal multiverse/deity level that unless they mess around with alternate timelines/universes then Goku/Vegeta are the only ones going forward who can be featured, but I feel like that's all anyone cares for anyway.
The way it is now, the power level ceiling is just so high and at a literal multiverse/deity level that unless they mess around with alternate timelines/universes then Goku/Vegeta are the only ones going forward who can be featured, but I feel like that's all anyone cares for anyway.
I just want to see teenage Goten and Trunks. Please for the love of god just let them grow up. Also, more slice of life episodes.
I want them to ignore the Moro arc entirely and just to give me a announcement that the next series is in development. Especially since their movie plans have probably been derailed thanks to the Coronavirus.
I kinda had an idea of... you could have one or two arcs where Goku keeps doing Goku things and breaking his limits, and eventually is fighting Angel-level threats, and after that's over Zeno is like "'y'all are too fucking powerful. DESCALE!" and everyone's back to DB power levels :P
Ideally they'd move the timeline to a point where you don't already everything will be fine because of the epilogue, but I think the setting of DB is just too narratively poisoned at this point to really tell an engaging story beyond what it is now.
We will eventually reach a point where either the main cast gets nerfed hard, or just retires. The ToP felt like it was scaled well enough, until Jiren got hyped up to the fucking moon.
I'd expect Toei to do a reboot for Z and make their own continuity where they wouldn't be beholden to the manga/anime before they ever get rid of the main cast.
Yeah, could be a possibility, or the reverse where they make all the low power players super strong which could be fun.
If they want to stay on track they could just show Goku/Vegeta going to Universes 1, 5, 8, and 12 for fights/arcs which were supposedly even stronger than 11 since they were exempt from the ToP.
Not gonna lie loving the color scheme. SSJ4 Gogeta was always my favorite SSJ4 design and this evoking that is cool af.
It isn't SSJ God SSJ4. It's "Limit Breaker SSJ4."
Heroes has finally done it and perfected its craft.
Dr. W is the worst Dragon Ball villain ever conceived.
It's so hilarious to see this random dude show up and able to job Super Saiyan 4s. Power levels were always ridiculous but come on.
