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Dragon Ball FighterZ - Jiren, Videl, Super Broly and SSGSS Gogeta revealed.
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You are just being delebretaly fucking obtuse at this point.
Who else has being saved by someone else as part of their fucking moveset?!!?
Generally if you have a character in a fighting game their moves are supposed to be a showcase of how badass they can be unless there a joke fighter.
But if you seriously don't see why one one of the only female fighters in the game has being a damsel in distress be part of her fucking move set I don't think I can even help you.
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Videl, a human, got beat by a magic juiced villain. Gohan, her potential boyfriend and a Saiyan, was pissed and tried to save her.
SEXIST ! !
It's not sexist in a vacuum but that is Videl's only fight and she gets brutally beaten in it. She never fights again after it. I don't think it was Toriyama's intention but it's a bad look.
Videl being added is a huge Surprise. Love that they paired her with Great Saiyaman. Gonna be a fun character.
Cannot wait for Broly and Gogeta too.
Cannot wait for Broly and Gogeta too.
It's one of the most iconic scenes of the entire series. This is the first time I heard it being sexist.
Frieza.
Captain Ginyu.
Goku(in the sense that krillin getting his ass kicked is what makes him go super saiyan, but you're more than welcome to not include that)
That's off the top of my head.
Oh yeah, i forgot about the whole "never fights again after" part.
Now, that is a better example, but Hercule was always a joke character on Dragon Bal games and it shows with his moveset doing a ballet spin in one game or a photo shot in another. Yes, they can do the same with Videl but as past games has shown her moveset potential isn't much. Look at Budokai Tenkaichi where all her specials where rushes; and the developer didn't want to fall into the same trap with her lacking ki attacks.
Having one of a handful of female characters being viciously beaten up in order to be saved by her love interest is not progressive.
So... your argument is that you need to shoot beams or stop time to be in FighterZ?
So is Videl like her and Gohan together simultaneously fighting the whole time? That's really sick I gotta get back into this game.
Yet, 17 has far more team-up battles than 18. In the TOP, he teamed up with 18, Goku, 18 and Goku, Gohan, Vegeta and Goku, and Frieza and Goku. So why does he get to be solo when some of his best fights have him in a team-up?
She fought against an opponent that nobody knew was empowered by Babadi. Any of the other Z fighters would have kicked his ass. But I guess they should have let him continue to beat on her since it's sexist to want to protect a loved one.
I personally hope so solely because it would make her super unique like Carl/Relius. but it just seems like its an assist type command move.
I assume its like Android 18 where 17 would come in on specific moves and specials.
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Remember when people dismissed Jiren as not having a moveset? lol
Jiren and especially Videl look badass!
Jiren and especially Videl look badass!
Have you even seen the show? Do you know who she was fighting?!?!?! LOOOL
I think they mean in the regard that it stands out, and it definitely does.
I personally wouldn't call it iconic tho
Videl is one of the most boring additions imaginable. Fight me. They literally had to put Gohan in her moveset because that's how little she brings to the table. But if they're willing to add her, then I feel like the likes of Dabura and Janemba can't far behind.
Glad to see Gogeta and Broly though.
Glad to see Gogeta and Broly though.
I'm disappointed it doesn't seem they're taking much from Jiren's battle against true UI Goku. Most of his movements seem to be from earlier in the tournament. Videl also is a disappointing choice at this point though. She made sense as an addition when they needed scraps for a female character, taking any small bit from the source material, but nowadays she isn't really necessary.
17 was heavily pushed by Super during the ToP, even getting to fight side by side with Super Saiyan Blue level fighters, and was the last man standing by the end. 18's big hyped episode was defeating a girl who previously had been left crying after getting beaten up by base Vegeta (and with 17's help anyway).
17 was heavily pushed by Super during the ToP, even getting to fight side by side with Super Saiyan Blue level fighters, and was the last man standing by the end. 18's big hyped episode was defeating a girl who previously had been left crying after getting beaten up by base Vegeta (and with 17's help anyway).
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I repeat. Her getting beat by someone stronger than her is fine. Her getting brutally beaten and needing to be saved as her only fight is bad.
The real problem is that dbz treats most of its female characters like shit that it's just going to trickle down to media like this.
They ARE weak, dude. It doesn't matter that they're way more powerful than regular humans, they canonically would be bodied 100 times over by most fighters in the series. That is why the argument of Videl being weak is disingenuous. It doesn't matter that Yamcha is stronger than Videl when he can't fucking beat anyone, yet he's a full fledged solo fighter in FighterZ roster.
I don't have a horse in this race and I would actually rather have either 18 or Videl be a solo character for sure, but:
Frieza does calling Sorbet to save him
I wish Videl was all on her own instead of with Great Saiyaman, yet another female character that can't fight on their own. They could've made it work without him or at least made her Great Saiyawoman instead. She looks good though.
Anyways, I hope the other 2 are UI Goku and Roshi. If not one of them, then maybe Kefla.
Anyways, I hope the other 2 are UI Goku and Roshi. If not one of them, then maybe Kefla.
I fucking give up.
Fine there is nothing wrong about having one of your only female characters have being a damsel in distress be a part of her move set.
Having her be best within an inch of her life and then have her only roll be popping out Gohans kid is fine.
Why not have this be a part of Kefla's move set while we're at it?
It's from the manga which means it's instantly ok right?
Fine there is nothing wrong about having one of your only female characters have being a damsel in distress be a part of her move set.
Having her be best within an inch of her life and then have her only roll be popping out Gohans kid is fine.
Why not have this be a part of Kefla's move set while we're at it?
It's from the manga which means it's instantly ok right?
Hmm, ok.
In that case, I'm glad we got Old Broly out of all this. DBFZ was in dire need of pure grapplers if Nu Broly is supposed to be more nimble.
That's unfortunate Implication, not sexism. In terms of execution and what was going on, Videl's beating was on a similar level to many fights in Z like Gohan vs Recoome or almost any Vegeta fight. It even had the same 'pride before the fall' setup that is used when a character's head gets too big.
But the main problem here is how the game chose to used it. Like they could have used the scene when Videl got her second wind and twisted the guy's neck.
I'll mention here what I said in another thread on it's own, Videl with Gohan as an assist character makes sense, but when you combine that with the lack of playable female characters (only other ones being 18 and 21) and 18 sharing her roster slot with 17 to boot, it really makes it stand out.
TBH, 17 and 18 should have been individual characters from the start, and characters like Caulifla and Kale should've been on the Roster or at least Season 1.
TBH, 17 and 18 should have been individual characters from the start, and characters like Caulifla and Kale should've been on the Roster or at least Season 1.
It's a very brutal and uncomfortable scene but I wouldn't even say its cracks the top 100 most sexist DBZ moments. Gohan vs Recoome, Krillin vs Anyone, Yamcha vs Tien, Vegeta vs Frieza. The list goes on. Toriyama always has a super one sided fight where one character gets washed. Videl did great with unbeatable odds. It's literally the Apolo vs Ivan Drogo fight except if Rocky and Apolo were dating. I'm honestly surprised Toriyama let Videl finish the fight instead of making Gohan save the day after the first punch.
Clearly it's a controversial fight so I don't expect everyone to view it the same way especially with Toriyama's track record.
Fair enough point but you have to admit it's a much worse look to have it be a major part of Videl's moveset when she already has a heavy reliance on Gohan and the lack of female fighters.I don't have a horse in this race and I would actually rather have either 18 or Videl be a solo character for sure, but:
Frieza does calling Sorbet to save him
He could probably beat Nappa since Gero thought that he was Goku by his power reading.
This. Videl's training consists of working out in a gym and then getting a week crash course on how to fly. The only reason she's ever been in these fighting games is because Dragon Ball's cast is full of guys, but now that Super exists, there's actually stronger characters to choose from like the Saiyan girls, Ribrianne and the Kamikazes, Helles, and Vados and her sister angels. Plus, in the expanded universe, there's Towa and the rest of those demons and mages from Heroes.
The scene is iconic for Videl getting her shit kicked in. Not Gohan saving her, whichever is the primary problem with how FighterZ chose to used it.
