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rras1994

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I'm guessing Mythal and Elgar'nan? Seems the two are connected, like two rulers, so that's my guess.
I was thinking Ghilain'nain and Andruil myself.

Also think the city below the wolf is the "Black City" and the figure to the right is Corypheus with his orb which the Dread Wolf Tried to use to tear down the veil and the figure to the left is Meredith symbolising the idol which is hinted he's going to use to break down the veil in Tevinter Nights?
 

rras1994

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Also best day ever, Dragon Age and Loki teaser on the same time, I am so happy right now 😂
 
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The two figures upside down beside Solas, do they remind anyone else of the elhven god murals?


Anyone got that dragon age 4 concept art where the companions are doing battle with a giant centepede hybrid with a upper torso for a humanoid?

edit: i fucking found it. here we fucking go gents ad ladies

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Phellps

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I was thinking Ghilain'nain and Andruil myself.

Also think the city below the wolf is the "Black City" and the figure to the right is Corypheus with his orb which the Dread Wolf Tried to use to tear down the veil and the figure to the left is Meredith symbolising the idol which is hinted he's going to use to break down the veil in Tevinter Nights?
I do know it's filled with red lyrium, so wherever that might be, it's pretty fucked lol

I wonder if Meredith and Corypheus are aligned with the elven gods above as an indication that each artifact they posessed pertained to each god.
 

rras1994

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Anyone got that dragon age 4 concept art where the companions are doing battle with a giant centepede hybrid with a upper torso for a humanoid?
They defo look similar to that which is why I think Ghilain'nain and Andruil. For that monster woman , the monster creatures are associated with Ghilain'nain and she has a giant spear which is associated with Andruil and both those gods are lovers to each other according to the Dalish. And I think Andruil associated with the blight as well? She made an armour out of the Void and every step she sickened the land, sounds very blighty
 

Phellps

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I'm still confused about who these people are. We know Strife is one of them, but do we know what they are? At first I thought they were an elven faction, but then the trailer...

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The character looks like they have horns?
 

Yeul

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Here's a link to a post-Game Awards BioWare Blog post: https://blog.bioware.com/2020/12/10/bioware-double-feature-at-the-game-awards/

Being part of The Game Awards this year was so exciting for all of us here at the studio, and we hope it was for you too.

Earlier today we teased a little more about Dragon Age, giving you a glimpse of the story and some of its characters. And, surprise! Another team within BioWare has already begun pre-production on the next chapter in the Mass Effect universe.

Rich, branching narratives, choices with consequences, and intriguing characters are central to the entire Dragon Age franchise, and we're putting a lot of work into these. You'll form relationships with companions who will fight by your side when you experience this true Dragon Age saga set in Thedas, a world in need of a new kind of hero.

We've got a lot more in store for the Mass Effect universe and while we've got a long runway ahead of us before we'll be ready to show you more, we hope the teaser set the tone for where we're headed next. The teaser is full of hints about what we are planning, and we hope you have fun finding them all!

In the meantime, the Mass Effect Legendary Edition is coming in Spring 2021, so we'll see you all back in The Citadel very soon.

As we approach the holiday season, we want to send a heartfelt thank you to all of you for your passion for our games. We are excited about the future of BioWare, and to be making the games you want us to make. We look forward to sharing more about Dragon Age and Mass Effect, as well as the other titles the teams are working on here at BioWare in the new year.

Stay safe, have a wonderful holiday season,

The BioWare Team
 

Phellps

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Long road ahead, I'm just glad Mass Effect: Legendary Edition is just around the corner and will keep me busy for a while. I hope they start showing the game next year, at least, if it's still, indeed, a 2022 game.

Gotta say, though, having both a Dragon Age game and a Mass Effect game in the same generation is going to feel gooood.
 

Yeul

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Long road ahead, I'm just glad Mass Effect: Legendary Edition is just around the corner and will keep me busy for a while. I hope they start showing the game next year, at least, if it's still, indeed, a 2022 game.

Gotta say, though, having both a Dragon Age game and a Mass Effect game in the same generation is going to feel gooood.

Yeah tbh I wish they wouldn't have shown the Mass Effect trailer so early, but it might have been to drum up hype for their Legendary Edition. Even still, it feels like a very Square Enix move considering how early SE likes to announce things before they are actually released. I wasn't paying super close attention to the stream at that point but totally spun my head when that Reaper noise hit lol like "WAT". DA feels so early too (but obviously further along), especially with the whole lack of an actual title.

I'm looking forward to them both, but I need to try to distract myself with other stuff considering how far away everything is @ _ @
 

Phellps

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It feels like a very BioWare thing to do, like they want to keep their community aware that these games are coming and showing what they can while we're still so far away from release. I mean, damn, they announced Inquisition in a blog post about a year before finally showing the game, wasn't it?

Part of me would've preferred footage from the ME remaster, but part of me is just so glad to know the next Mass Effect game is more of a direct seque to the trilogy.
 

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I love just how freakin' weird the art direction has gotten for this series. DA4 seems to be pushing it even further.

It's almost jarring to go back to Origins and its off-brand LOTR/D&D aesthetic now.
 

Zeno

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I love just how freakin' weird the art direction has gotten for this series. DA4 seems to be pushing it even further.

It's almost jarring to go back to Origins and it's off-brand LOTR/D&D aesthetic now.
To be fair, even in Origins, Ferelden is stated to be considered the backwards rural region of Thedas.
 

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If you guys want a fix the amazing looking Dragon Age Total War mod for Med II is going to have it's first release soon.
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Quinton

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Goddamn, I've been so thoroughly engrossed in the Mass Effect news that I haven't even had time to say a thing in here.

We're still a long way away but hot damn, am I stoked. I wrote a quick little article on this as soon as the trailer dropped but didn't really get a chance to rewatch it until just now. Hnnng.

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Side note: I'm pretty sure those aren't actually Tevinter buildings and the Dread Wolf is in fact flicking us all off
 
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Lnds500

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I still want a trilogy remaster for current consoles after Mass Effect although I don't see it happening.

I need my fix and a repeat of all the Lord and DLC.
 

Phellps

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I still want a trilogy remaster for current consoles after Mass Effect although I don't see it happening.

I need my fix and a repeat of all the Lord and DLC.
Would love that too, but going back to the Eclipse engine would be one big oof. They would have to overhaul the engine to include a ton of new graphical features one would expect from a remaster and then they might as well just remake the games on Frostbite.

Which kind of means I guess we will never see this.
 

Lnds500

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Would love that too, but going back to the Eclipse engine would be one big oof. They would have to overhaul the engine to include a ton of new graphical features one would expect from a remaster and then they might as well just remake the games on Frostbite.

Which kind of means I guess we will never see this.

A "remake" or overhaul would be preferable but I would even pay for a quick and dirty uprez with 60fps and all DLC included at this point.
 

Persephone

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i know in my heart that the antivan crow we saw isn't zevran and is probably illario or someone from tevinter nights. but. god i miss zev so much ;=;
 

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I think a key part of this is that it feels like a direct Inquisition sequel. It's a new hero, of course, but you now have a major arc that affects the whole universe with Solas. I really trust Patrick Weekes and John Epler to do the narrative justice leading their departments. They're exceptionally skilled.
 

Loanshark

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I think a key part of this is that it feels like a direct Inquisition sequel. It's a new hero, of course, but you now have a major arc that affects the whole universe with Solas. I really trust Patrick Weekes and John Epler to do the narrative justice leading their departments. They're exceptionally skilled.
Wonder how it will go without David Gaider, who has probably been the most influential writer on the DA franchise. He is responsible for many of the most popular characters such as Alistar, Morrigan, Cassandra, Dorian.. but he did have a few stinkers as well such as Fenris and Zevran. Outside of DA, he is responsible for both Viconia and HK-47. He was massively influential when it came to Solas as well.
 

Ralemont

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As for the protagonist, I think we'll still be a thief. BioWare has a tendency to recycle ideas into new contexts, plus with Qunari rogue companion it's going to be hard getting around in official channels.

Wonder how it will go without David Gaider, who has probably been the most influential writer on the DA franchise. He is responsible for many of the most popular characters such as Alistar, Morrigan, Cassandra, Dorian.. but he did have a few stinkers as well such as Fenris and Zevran. Outside of DA, he is responsible for both Viconia and HK-47. He was massively influential when it came to Solas as well.

Trespasser was incredible and was the first story content without him, so that's a good sign. His voice for characters will be missed, though.
 

Loanshark

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As for the protagonist, I think we'll still be a thief. BioWare has a tendency to recycle ideas into new contexts, plus with Qunari rogue companion it's going to be hard getting around in official channels.



Trespasser was incredible and was the first story content without him, so that's a good sign. His voice for characters will be missed, though.
Yeah, Trespasser along with the Ball are the best parts of Inquisition. I've been looking into who wrote which character in past Bioware games, and its been pretty interesting. Another one who stood out was Lukas Kristjanson. He wrote Carver, Sera and Aveline. Outside of that he is responsible for Jacob, Kaidan and Liam from Mass Effect, probably the most hated trio in the franchise, lol. To be fair though, he did write Grunt. Dont know if he is working on the new Dragon Age.
 

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Wonder how it will go without David Gaider, who has probably been the most influential writer on the DA franchise. He is responsible for many of the most popular characters such as Alistar, Morrigan, Cassandra, Dorian.. but he did have a few stinkers as well such as Fenris and Zevran. Outside of DA, he is responsible for both Viconia and HK-47. He was massively influential when it came to Solas as well.
To be fair, Patrick wrote Solas too. He also wrote incredible characters in Mass Effect.
 

Phellps

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Friendly reminder that Patrick Weekes goes by they/them.

And also that they wrote the Ranoch and Tuchanka archs of ME3, so the best parts of the game.
Yeah, Trespasser along with the Ball are the best parts of Inquisition. I've been looking into who wrote which character in past Bioware games, and its been pretty interesting. Another one who stood out was Lukas Kristjanson. He wrote Carver, Sera and Aveline. Outside of that he is responsible for Jacob, Kaidan and Liam from Mass Effect, probably the most hated trio the the franchise, lol. To be fair though, he did write Grunt. Dont know if he is working on the new Dragon Age.
He is. He appears in the Gamescom behind the scenes.
 

Loanshark

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To be fair, Patrick wrote Solas too. He also wrote incredible characters in Mass Effect.
Yeah, Weekes is the creator of Solas as far as im aware. They are also responsible for Cole and Iron Bull. Outside of that, we have Mordin, Jack as well as co-writing Miranda and Samara, as far as I can find out.
 

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Yeah, Weekes is the creator of Solas as far as im aware. They are also responsible for Cole and Iron Bull. Outside of that, we have Mordin, Jack as well as co-writing Miranda and Samara, as far as I can find out.
They also took over Tali, Kasumi, Legion, and Joker from their previous characters, and wrote Samantha Traynor.
 

Persephone

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Yeah, Trespasser along with the Ball are the best parts of Inquisition. I've been looking into who wrote which character in past Bioware games, and its been pretty interesting. Another one who stood out was Lukas Kristjanson. He wrote Carver, Sera and Aveline. Outside of that he is responsible for Jacob, Kaidan and Liam from Mass Effect, probably the most hated trio in the franchise, lol. To be fair though, he did write Grunt. Dont know if he is working on the new Dragon Age.

Kristjanson....my Bioware Nemesis ⚔️⚔️the racism in Jacob's writing and the ableism lesbophobia and transphobia in Sera's......................unreal. also aveline fucking SUCKS. Carver and Kaidan are amazing in spite of Kristjanson not because of him
 

captainmal01

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Solas was a well-written character, but boy did I despise his personality and outlook on others, the condescending prick.
I'm coming for that KO.
 

Loanshark

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Kristjanson....my Bioware Nemesis ⚔⚔the racism in Jacob's writing and the ableism lesbophobia and transphobia in Sera's......................unreal. also aveline fucking SUCKS. Carver and Kaidan are amazing in spite of Kristjanson not because of him
Yeah, the circumstances of Jacobs loyalty mission in particular were unfortunate to say the least. Certain harmful stereotypes should honestly be pretty easy to write around.

I dislike Sera a lot, but thats more due to her stereotypical quirky "free-spirit" disposition, and her often incomprehensible way of talking and failing to communicate even basic information. I get that it was supposed to convey something along the lines of: "She just thinks differently than us normies! Isnt it so endearing?" But to me it just came across as forced, and trite as hell.

I honestly dont recall what you are describing in regards to Sera's other character deficiences. Could you elaborate?
 

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I like Varrick, but was a bit surprised as well he's a major narrator here. I suppose BioWare wanted some consistency, sort of connective tissue since each game has its own hero now and they need a reason or a guide to keep connecting the player back into the larger world....

but damn, these dwarf had no loyalty. New Best friend of the week, every week!
 

Persephone

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Yeah, the circumstances of Jacobs loyalty mission in particular were unfortunate to say the least. Certain harmful stereotypes should honestly be pretty easy to write around.

I dislike Sera a lot, but thats more due to her stereotypical quirky "free-spirit" disposition, and her often incomprehensible way of talking and failing to communicate even basic information. I get that it was supposed to convey something along the lines of: "She just thinks differently than us normies! Isnt it so endearing?" But to me it just came across as forced, and trite as hell.

I honestly dont recall what you are describing in regards to Sera's other character deficiences. Could you elaborate?

uhhh well other people have worded this better than me but Sera is neurodivergent-coded and the game just has everyone telling her she's "crazy" and "doesn't make sense" all the time. like the dialogue often forces you to pick between different variations of insulting her. the fact that a man was chosen to write the first lesbian companion was bad enough but he also gave us TWO abusive sapphic relationships in DAO (leliana/marjolaine and branka/hespith). and there are several casually transphobic remarks sera makes which are just ugly and bullshit (misgendering a trans person at the winter palace most prominently)
 

Loanshark

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uhhh well other people have worded this better than me but Sera is neurodivergent-coded and the game just has everyone telling her she's "crazy" and "doesn't make sense" all the time. like the dialogue often forces you to pick between different variations of insulting her. the fact that a man was chosen to write the first lesbian companion was bad enough but he also gave us TWO abusive sapphic relationships in DAO (leliana/marjolaine and branka/hespith). and there are several casually transphobic remarks sera makes which are just ugly and bullshit (misgendering a trans person at the winter palace most prominently)
Would you say that its more like Jacob's story mission, which is more a case of insensitivity or maybe an unfortunate oversight, or is it supposed to be part of the "realism" of Sera's character, that she simply is like this, which it isnt an endorsement of her opinions so to speak. I guess maybe it could be both.
 
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I come bearing gifts. Maybe.

HD version of that new mural, and also of some screenshot of that new trailer (got them from the official DA website):

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I'd like to point out that the castle on the first trailer screenshot and the 2nd one, look like they're the same damn castle. Maybe the first screenshot is from Solas memories, Arlathan times? I don't know, but I feel they don't belong to the same time frame given how drastically different their surroundings look like.


I also took the liberty to download that trailer in 4K and take HD screenshots of his stupidass face and rework them a bit on Photoshop to brighten them a bit, in case someone else want this dumbass asshole as a wallpaper for a while.

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It's so subtle, the animators did an amazing job at this, but you can feel hints of sorrow and sadness in his eyes in this screenshot. He kinda shifts from being determined and strong to tiny glimpses of sadness underneath it all at the very last moment before the cut. They were already astoundingly talented on DA:I, but I just cannot wait to see how BioWare animators will amaze me once more this time around, in all their subtleties and nuances. (but maybe that's just in my head, heh)

An observation that I found funny:




Next time they see him, Vivienne and Dorian are gonna eat their fucking words, Solas now is THAT fashionista, looking fancy and fabulous, showing them how it's done!

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That last one reminds me that I really wanted to play my Inquisitor again. It's her quest, it's her story arc, and it's far from being over. I guess I kinda knew that the possibility of a new protagonist was very strong, and likely to happen, but I'm still disappointed at this confirmation we got last night, I genuinely think my Inquisitor is just starting, she has the most at stake here, it's up close and personal for her, and it's her quest most and foremost. I wonder how I'll end up vibing with an entirely new character, but that'll need some amazing introduction as well as getting used to, for sure.
Maybe we will have the opportunity to play our Inquisitor again, in a dual protagonist kind of way, but I guess I shouldn't hold onto that hope too much, sigh.
 
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disparate

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I'm the opposite. I outright would have abandoned the series had they carried over a previous protagonist- any protagonist. I don't want my Inquisitor to matter anymore, I want to build someone up, be someone who affected by the events of Inquisition forges their own story.
 

Persephone

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my concern with the idea of the inq not being playable and returning as an npc or something is that they'll do them dirty like they did to hawke in dai

anyway ppl are complaining solas in the trailer is ugly...............sweeties he's always been ugly xx
 

Maledict

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I mean.

At the end of Tresspasser your inquisitor has lost their arm- so unless they were a mage they aren't going to be fighting anymore. And the Inquisitor specifically says that it will need to be a new hero and companions to tackle Solas, because he knows all of them too well and has eyes and ears watching them everywhere.
 

rras1994

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I'm the opposite. I outright would have abandoned the series had they carried over a previous protagonist- any protagonist. I don't want my Inquisitor to matter anymore, I want to build someone up, be someone who affected by the events of Inquisition forges their own story.
Same, one thing I like about is the story is bigger than one character, and I actually thought the ending of Trespasser were my "Andraste's Herald", the one who had been built up as a saviour finds out that they can't save everyone, that they may be the less equiped to do so and need others. I kinda like that fallible moment
 

Metroidvania

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That last one reminds me that I really wanted to play my Inquisitor again. It's her quest, it's her story arc, and it's far from being over. I guess I kinda knew that the possibility of a new protagonist was very strong, and likely to happen, but I'm still disappointed at this confirmation we got last night, I genuinely think my Inquisitor is just starting, she has the most at stake here, it's up close and personal for her, and it's her quest most and foremost. I wonder how I'll end up vibing with an entirely new character, but that'll need some amazing introduction as well as getting used to, for sure.
Maybe we will have the opportunity to play our Inquisitor again, in a dual protagonist kind of way, but I guess I shouldn't hold onto that hope too much, sigh.

What is interesting to me is that an inquisitor (especially one who romanced Solas) is theoretically pretty darn important in playing a part of the dread wolf's story, compared to the 'linkage' of DA:O and the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke not mattering as much in the respective sequels.

Hawke was....okay? when they showed up in Inquisition, but far from ideal - I dunno if I see them expanding on that aspect by having the Inquisitor return as a one-off companion in the same fashion? Or ignore them altogether, similar to the Jacob 'romance' result in ME3 where he ghosts you.

Maybe they just bring them in as a 'Solon advisor' a la Josephine or Leliana, but keep them off-screen, have them write letters or something, idk.