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Quinton

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Ugh, I'm so tempted to replay Origins and Inquisition (and 2, I guesssss) again next year now. But we aren't getting our hands on DA4 for a long time, and I've got so much else to play.

I'm just so hyped. Both those games are among my all-time faves. Dragon Age's lore is so. Good.
 

SageShinigami

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Oct 27, 2017
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Ugh, I'm so tempted to replay Origins and Inquisition (and 2, I guesssss) again next year now. But we aren't getting our hands on DA4 for a long time, and I've got so much else to play.

I'm just so hyped. Both those games are among my all-time faves. Dragon Age's lore is so. Good.

lol. You can definitely put that replay off until there's a more firm release date.
 

Fairy Godmother

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Ugh, I'm so tempted to replay Origins and Inquisition (and 2, I guesssss) again next year now. But we aren't getting our hands on DA4 for a long time, and I've got so much else to play.

I'm just so hyped. Both those games are among my all-time faves. Dragon Age's lore is so. Good.
Origins has been on my list to replay for years... but then I remember that 10 hours Orzammar trek.
DA2 is also the only one I haven't completed on Nightmare, must get that on the list too.
 

Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also if I were to bring up combat, the only worthwhile things from Inquisition were the number of statuses and the focus mechanic.

All of that Diablo esque stuff needs to be chucked out, 4 should focus on allowing people to build the character they envision in their heads.
 

Grisby

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Oct 29, 2017
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Inquisition was gorgeous. I can't see them going back from frostbite. It really made Thedas come alive in a way the other two games didn't.

I recently replayed it and some of the environments/ dragons with their fire effects. *chef kiss*
None of your pics work.
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Strange, they're showing up for me. I think imgur is working ok too.
 

KrAzY

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Sep 2, 2018
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Since we might go to Tevinter, I hope they bring back blood magic as a specialization, also have characters question my choice for using it.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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Inquisition really is a visually beautiful game.

Inquisition is unfairly written off as a bad game on this forum I feel. While many of the criticism particularly around the quests/open word design are justified the game did a lot of things really well as well. And I wouldn't mind a shorter game tbh is that's being rumoured. Inquisition was far too bloated.
 

JetmanJay

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Nov 1, 2017
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Yes definitely Tevinter, and it would also make sense to see the Anderfels, or at least Weisshaupt. Something is going down with the Wardens there, and Hawke/Alistair/Loghain/Stroud are going there. They've been telling us about the current First Warden since Awakening I think, it's time we finally meet him. Also,
I wanna see them Griffons.
Seconding the Anderfels. Tevinter is obvious, and that's awesome, but either give us Weisshaupt or at least make sure to bring that mystery into Tevinter somehow.

Nice, yeah, I was going to say the statue in the center of the teaser looked like it would be something straight out of Tevinter.
If not Tevinter, I'd hope we'd get to see the Nevarran Tomb City where the Pentaghast Family is from, but I think that is fairly close on the map to Tevinter so maybe we'd get both.
The Quinari homeland would be an interesting place and community to play through also.
 

Quinton

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lol. You can definitely put that replay off until there's a more firm release date.

Yeahhh... I really should...

Origins has been on my list to replay for years... but then I remember that 10 hours Orzammar trek.
DA2 is also the only one I haven't completed on Nightmare, must get that on the list too.

Orzammar is... rough. My friend Cassandra (not that Cassandra) was having a blast with Origins until she hit that spot. I... hope she returns to that game someday.

Nice, yeah, I was going to say the statue in the center of the teaser looked like it would be something straight out of Tevinter.
If not Tevinter, I'd hope we'd get to see the Nevarran Tomb City where the Pentaghast Family is from, but I think that is fairly close on the map to Tevinter so maybe we'd get both.
The Quinari homeland would be an interesting place and community to play through also.

Speaking of the Qunari! As much as Par Vollen would rock, I also greatly enjoyed Iron Bull's conversation about Seheron. It would factor directly into Tevinter-versus-Qunari relations.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Seheron
 
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Sigrun grabs Solas by the collar.

"I'll be a nug's godmother before I let you get away with this."

Solas smiled.

"I live in the world of dreams. Sleeping is for the conscious. My pillow is my telescope. But I don't expect you to under--"

(She konks him on the head)
 

Ketkat

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Oct 25, 2017
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Origins has been on my list to replay for years... but then I remember that 10 hours Orzammar trek.
DA2 is also the only one I haven't completed on Nightmare, must get that on the list too.

I think I might be a weirdo. i actually liked Orzammar with all of its political intrigue as well as the Fade portion of Origins. I'm a really big fan of the elves and pretty much always play one, but that whole section involving the Lady of the Forest really just does nothing for me in that game. Like, it's not bad, but it's definitely my least favorite part of the game.
 

shinobi602

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Oct 24, 2017
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Ugh, I'm so tempted to replay Origins and Inquisition (and 2, I guesssss) again next year now. But we aren't getting our hands on DA4 for a long time, and I've got so much else to play.

I'm just so hyped. Both those games are among my all-time faves. Dragon Age's lore is so. Good.
I'd replay but I think 3 full playthroughs (all DLCs included) is more than enough for me. That's probably...350+ hours total lol.

Backlog's big now anyway too.
 

Old Luke

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Jul 20, 2018
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Which game do you guys think Bioware would take inspiration from? Witcher 3? Elder Scrolls?

I would love if they took a more scalled down scope and go all in with an Divinity Original Sin approach for Dragon Age on the storytelling and RPG parts and Fire Emblem inspired gameplay. Micro managing your companions and army, they could even bring their beloved romance and waifus in.

(I think Mass Effect would also fit a simmilar concept, but taking a Divinity/Wasteland 2 and X-Com inspiration).
 

Sayers

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Oct 28, 2017
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Interesting. Well, it's Cassandra, Aveline and Morrigan. Some of my favorite characters in gaming.

I'm sure Morrigan is a lock but I hope the other two at least make cameos.
Morrigan is my favorite character but I think her story is done and, honestly, I am fine with that.
 

Breqesk

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Oct 28, 2017
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Anyone have any characters they want to get a Merrill-style upgrade from minor supporting role to full party member in DA4?

Or, to put it another way, where the fuck's Scout Harding at, BioWare?!



(I was genuinely surprised to learn that Ali Hillis voiced her--she's got a lot of range.)
 

Azzanadra

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kind of makes me angry how long Dragon Age was put on ice for fucking Anthem, by the time this game comes out it will have been nearly a decade since the last game.
 

BouncyFrag

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Oct 27, 2017
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Morrigan is the GOAT character of the series (besides the player character of course), especially in how badass she manages to be.

Her, Alistair and Oghren always had the best banter in Origins too!
Sten and Shale might have something to say about that.


I also wonder if we'll get another half-arsed postcard from the Warden.
 

rras1994

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Nov 4, 2017
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Kind of makes me angry how long Dragon Age was put on ice for fucking Anthem, by the time this game comes out it will have been nearly a decade since the last game.
You do realise that Anthem was started before Dragon Age Inquisition and that it got resources taken away from it for both DAI and MEA, right? DA4 wasn't put on ice for Anthem, it was just Anthem's turn.
 

Orochinagis

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would love to see more discrimination and racist situations , feels like DAI was trying to ignore its own world.
 

JMY86

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Anyone have any characters they want to get a Merrill-style upgrade from minor supporting role to full party member in DA4?

Or, to put it another way, where the fuck's Scout Harding at, BioWare?!


(I was genuinely surprised to learn that Ali Hillis voiced her--she's got a lot of range.)

Holy cow! I had no idea Ali Hillis voiced her. Everyone loves Scout Harding and I'm sure Bioware is well aware and they will better do the right thing...
 

Ocean Bones

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Oct 29, 2017
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My play through of DAI glitched on Solas's quest and I never went back. I really enjoyed it despite the issues. Need to restart it.
 

CrichtonKicks

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Oct 25, 2017
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Inquisition was gorgeous. I can't see them going back from frostbite. It really made Thedas come alive in a way the other two games didn't.

Yeah, DA:I holds up amazingly well for a 2014 cross-gen game. I think it's much more consistent visually than ME:A. My only nitpick with it's visual design is that I wish they would have kept the geography consistent for returning locations (Haven and Redcliffe). I really admire how CDPR was able to keep the same design from Kaer Morhen in both TW1 and TW3 and I wish Bioware would have done similar.

Orzammar is... rough. My friend Cassandra (not that Cassandra) was having a blast with Origins until she hit that spot. I... hope she returns to that game someday.

Orzammer is where I tapped out in 2009- it was the last of the 4 regions for me. Came back to it a couple of years later refreshed and finished the game from there in a weekend.
You do realise that Anthem was started before Dragon Age Inquisition and that it got resources taken away from it for both DAI and MEA, right? DA4 wasn't put on ice for Anthem, it was just Anthem's turn.

Yeah, Bioware is actually doing pretty decently on release timelines. DAI in 2014, ME:A in 2017, Anthem in 2019, and presumably DA4 in 2021 or 2022. Two to three years between releases is quite good for this generation.
 

Fairy Godmother

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I bet Inquisitor will be back as a side character like Hawke. I hope they make it optional to sacrifice them if it comes to that.

I think I might be a weirdo. i actually liked Orzammar with all of its political intrigue as well as the Fade portion of Origins. I'm a really big fan of the elves and pretty much always play one, but that whole section involving the Lady of the Forest really just does nothing for me in that game. Like, it's not bad, but it's definitely my least favorite part of the game.
It's great/more personal if you picked a dwarf. Broodmother made it worth it though!

Morrigan is my favorite character but I think her story is done and, honestly, I am fine with that.
She's morally complex but her motivation and actions can be all justified. I can't praise the writing enough!
 

SageShinigami

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, Bioware is actually doing pretty decently on release timelines. DAI in 2014, ME:A in 2017, Anthem in 2019, and presumably DA4 in 2021 or 2022. Two to three years between releases is quite good for this generation.

Admittedly, DAI was supposed to come out in 2013, ME:A in 2016, and Anthem in 2018, but that's still great timing.
 

Knightywing

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Oct 28, 2017
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Seeing that picture of Fenris, I kind of want him to show up again... as a slave under Danarius because fuck Fenris. Even after all these years, I still don't feel bad for him. That guy couldn't stop whining and whining about mages in DAII. His character might have been a bit different if I played as Mage!Hawke, but he could not stop annoying me.

As for other characters I want to see, and perhaps the realistic options as well, Morrigan should almost be a certainty for DA4. If I recall correctly, she simply left at the end of Inquisition, and she had beef with Solas during the Well of Sorrows quest. I don't expect to see Leliana or Alastair again, especially considering those two have wildly different character states, with Leliana maybe being the Divine or not, while Alastair could be king, dead or a drunk. Also don't expect to see Cullen or Josephine again. As for the other characters from Inquisition, Dorian should be a safe-bet, while the rest seems done, from a character point-of-view.

I sincerely hope Bioware decides to go a bit smaller scale, in terms of world design. I don't need 9 different hub-world (especially not 3 different sand locations), and they should honestly just look to Trespasser for how it's done. I'm definitely in the minority in this, but something like Kirkwall from DAII, would also work very well for me. It's silly to get hyped so soon because I have such mixed feelings for this franchise, but I'm excited to see how they will finish Solas' story.
 

Ketkat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I bet Inquisitor will be back as a side character like Hawke. I hope they make it optional to sacrifice them if it comes to that.


It's great/more personal if you picked a dwarf. Broodmother made it worth it though!


She's morally complex but her motivation and actions can be all justified. I can't praise the writing enough!

Weirdly, as many playthroughs as I've done with that game, I've never done a dwarf one. I've done the origin story so I can imagine how it goes somewhat, but I should really try that out next time I play it.

I feel like the inquisitor will definitely make a return, but I'm expecting it to be some kind of tragic end honestly. I love my Inquisitor and want to see her come back and stay, but the mark is still killing her, so unless something absolutely crazy happens, I just don't have high hopes for a happy ending. I am wondering though, did anyone actually sacrifice Hawke when it came down to it? It felt like the game wanted me to do that with the way Hawke's house theme played when you talk to Varric about whoever was sacrificed, but it's just too hard to let go of Hawke over like Stroud, who was there in my first playthrough.
 

anexanhume

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I never made it through the Origins DLC. I'm trying to decide whether I resurrect my 360 save, or start fresh and play it on Xbox One for BC, or buy it on PC. IIRC, the main story took with warden's keep and stone prisoner took me 60 hours alone.
 

Enduin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thinking back on things we still haven't really seen or heard much of Kal-Sharok beyond it being discovered to still exist and I really really want to see more of that in great detail. There so much of the world teasing itself that it's hard to say which direction they should go in and I really don't want them to shortchange us on any of them. Trying to cover Tevinter, Weisshaupt and Kal-Sharok in one game would be a pretty massive undertaking, but could work. I think if they made Mynrathos and Kal-Sharok the central focus and really developed both cities well like really beefed up versions of Orzammar and Kirkwall, with then Weisshaupt being a more beefed up version of Skyhold that could work out and not be too massive a task. Then just supplement those three with lot of smaller and purpose built locations for the various main and side quests.

This could work real well with whatever Solas is doing as we'll have the political and magical intrigue of Tevinter, whatever the hell has gone on in Kal-Sharok and the deep roads around then for the last thousand or so years and whatever turmoil the Wardens are caught up in. With the later two giving ample opportunity for interaction/intervention with the 2 remaining Old Gods which may be something Solas needs for his grand plans.

I just really don't want to get another game like Inquisition where the vast majority of the game is these super massive open world maps that are highly unfocused and lots of empty, albeit beautiful, space. Having much more purpose built locations like DAO had is far more well suited to a game like this. By all means open them up a little and modernize them, but we don't need 50km2 of open space to explore. They really need to design the maps around encounters, the open world structure of DAI did no favors to the RTwP style combat, the drastically uneven terrain was a real bitch in particular.
 

Azzanadra

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Weirdly, as many playthroughs as I've done with that game, I've never done a dwarf one. I've done the origin story so I can imagine how it goes somewhat, but I should really try that out next time I play it.

I feel like the inquisitor will definitely make a return, but I'm expecting it to be some kind of tragic end honestly. I love my Inquisitor and want to see her come back and stay, but the mark is still killing her, so unless something absolutely crazy happens, I just don't have high hopes for a happy ending. I am wondering though, did anyone actually sacrifice Hawke when it came down to it? It felt like the game wanted me to do that with the way Hawke's house theme played when you talk to Varric about whoever was sacrificed, but it's just too hard to let go of Hawke over like Stroud, who was there in my first playthrough.

For me it was between Loghain and Hawke, I think I sacrificed Loghain as a final act of redemption for his character. In hindsight, I kind of love how you can keep Loghain alive through the series so il absolutely import a save of him living if he appears in D4.
 

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Weirdly, as many playthroughs as I've done with that game, I've never done a dwarf one. I've done the origin story so I can imagine how it goes somewhat, but I should really try that out next time I play it.

I feel like the inquisitor will definitely make a return, but I'm expecting it to be some kind of tragic end honestly. I love my Inquisitor and want to see her come back and stay, but the mark is still killing her, so unless something absolutely crazy happens, I just don't have high hopes for a happy ending. I am wondering though, did anyone actually sacrifice Hawke when it came down to it? It felt like the game wanted me to do that with the way Hawke's house theme played when you talk to Varric about whoever was sacrificed, but it's just too hard to let go of Hawke over like Stroud, who was there in my first playthrough.
I've never had the heart to sacrifice Hawke, it's usually Stroud for me.
 

Fairy Godmother

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Weirdly, as many playthroughs as I've done with that game, I've never done a dwarf one. I've done the origin story so I can imagine how it goes somewhat, but I should really try that out next time I play it.

I feel like the inquisitor will definitely make a return, but I'm expecting it to be some kind of tragic end honestly. I love my Inquisitor and want to see her come back and stay, but the mark is still killing her, so unless something absolutely crazy happens, I just don't have high hopes for a happy ending. I am wondering though, did anyone actually sacrifice Hawke when it came down to it? It felt like the game wanted me to do that with the way Hawke's house theme played when you talk to Varric about whoever was sacrificed, but it's just too hard to let go of Hawke over like Stroud, who was there in my first playthrough.
It's not as rewarding as a City Elf origin, but it gives you some nuances when choosing which one to back.

Inquisitor should be safe after Trespasser, correct? Since the hand is removed. By DA Dread wolf, she would only go to Tevinter as an obligation to stop Solas. I wonder if the ending affected whether Inquisitor would make a move or just stay back.
On the subject of Hawke, I read a few comments on how Hawke's sacrifice is fitting for the character, considering how tragic Hawke's life is. (I'd never do it of course.)


I never made it through the Origins DLC. I'm trying to decide whether I resurrect my 360 save, or start fresh and play it on Xbox One for BC, or buy it on PC. IIRC, the main story took with warden's keep and stone prisoner took me 60 hours alone.
Origins expansion is great! It's one of the first base building system I enjoyed. I think you'll like the DA2's character appearances.
 

Quinton

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Yeah, DA:I holds up amazingly well for a 2014 cross-gen game. I think it's much more consistent visually than ME:A. My only nitpick with it's visual design is that I wish they would have kept the geography consistent for returning locations (Haven and Redcliffe). I really admire how CDPR was able to keep the same design from Kaer Morhen in both TW1 and TW3 and I wish Bioware would have done similar.

Yeah, that's my only nitpick as well. Ah well.

For me it was between Loghain and Hawke, I think I sacrificed Loghain as a final act of redemption for his character. In hindsight, I kind of love how you can keep Loghain alive through the series so il absolutely import a save of him living if he appears in D4.

Loghain would totally be my choice too if I had any files that kept him alive. I love the idea of his redemption taking place (lethally) in that mission.

However, without that option i always go for...

I've never had the heart to sacrifice Hawke, it's usually Stroud for me.

Hawke. Because...

On the subject of Hawke, I read a few comments on how Hawke's sacrifice is fitting for the character, considering how tragic Hawke's life is. (I'd never do it of course.)

...of exactly this. I am a complete sucker for bittersweetness and melancholy and great sacrifices for victory. Hawke is tragic as heck and I couldn't bring myself to kill Alistair or even Stroud because of it. (In fact, I don't think I could ever kill Stroud on files in which he appears for me, because that's just such an anticlimax. Stroud is just. Nobody cares. lol)
 

CrichtonKicks

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Always amusing to me to see Alistair in the context of the later games. He's a drunk in all of my playthroughs. Alistair was a bro but he just wasn't a good fit for the throne.
 

Ketkat

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It's not as rewarding as a City Elf origin, but it gives you some nuances when choosing which one to back.

Inquisitor should be safe after Trespasser, correct? Since the hand is removed. By DA Dread wolf, she would only go to Tevinter as an obligation to stop Solas. I wonder if the ending affected whether Inquisitor would make a move or just stay back.
On the subject of Hawke, I read a few comments on how Hawke's sacrifice is fitting for the character, considering how tragic Hawke's life is. (I'd never do it of course.)

Hawke deserves to be happy for once, and sacrificing them was just too much after everything else for me.

And it's been a bit since I've played Trespasser, but I feel like I remember Solas mentioning that it would only delay things by removing her hand. There really were a lot of different outcomes for what happens to the Inquisition there, so it'll be pretty interesting to see how the Inquisitor is able to move or interact with Solas if at all.
 

Zacmortar

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Oct 25, 2017
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HAVE MY GAY BULL ROMANCE CHOICE IN DAI IINFLUENCE THE DIALOGUE

I know it cant go the lengths DAI did with using choices from the first two since theyre not all on one platform but like.... just give a multiple choice essay on choices chosen in DAI atleast, damn
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
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See, this says something early on just makes me sort of mad. "They did the Bioware thing and put a bunch of major lore in the DLC" and that... is just habitually annoying. It's just like, I played your game, enjoyed it for what it was, then moved on to something else because there's always a billion games and then find out later that the shit that really matters came in the DLC, again, for BIoWare.

I feel exactly the opposite, I love that BioWare does this.

The majority of DLC released by companies are inconsequential and often pointless, just extra bullshit you can play in. BioWare actually makes their DLC matter, as it should.
 

ShiftyCow

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Anyone have any characters they want to get a Merrill-style upgrade from minor supporting role to full party member in DA4?

Maevaris would be great! And since we're going to Tevinter, the odds are pretty good.

Weirdly, as many playthroughs as I've done with that game, I've never done a dwarf one. I've done the origin story so I can imagine how it goes somewhat, but I should really try that out next time I play it.

I feel like the inquisitor will definitely make a return, but I'm expecting it to be some kind of tragic end honestly. I love my Inquisitor and want to see her come back and stay, but the mark is still killing her, so unless something absolutely crazy happens, I just don't have high hopes for a happy ending. I am wondering though, did anyone actually sacrifice Hawke when it came down to it? It felt like the game wanted me to do that with the way Hawke's house theme played when you talk to Varric about whoever was sacrificed, but it's just too hard to let go of Hawke over like Stroud, who was there in my first playthrough.

Yeah, I do it every time. The first time it was honestly just because I was annoyed at my Hawke acting out of character about blood magic and the Wardens, I felt like he wasn't my character anymore so I just let him die. Nowadays I always sacrifice Hawke because I think it's a good end to their story and because Hawke randomly going to Weisshaupt instead of helping fight Corypheus is also ooc imo. Also I think they'll probably survive based on what Flemeth says to Hawke in DA2 about leaping into the abyss.

I never made it through the Origins DLC. I'm trying to decide whether I resurrect my 360 save, or start fresh and play it on Xbox One for BC, or buy it on PC. IIRC, the main story took with warden's keep and stone prisoner took me 60 hours alone.

If you're gonna start over I'd definitely recommend PC for the mods that restore cut dialogue and such.
 

BossAttack

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Maevaris would be great! And since we're going to Tevinter, the odds are pretty good.



Yeah, I do it every time. The first time it was honestly just because I was annoyed at my Hawke acting out of character about blood magic and the Wardens, I felt like he wasn't my character anymore so I just let him die. Nowadays I always sacrifice Hawke because I think it's a good end to their story and because Hawke randomly going to Weisshaupt instead of helping fight Corypheus is also ooc imo. Also I think they'll probably survive based on what Flemeth says to Hawke in DA2 about leaping into the abyss.



If you're gonna start over I'd definitely recommend PC for the mods that restore cut dialogue and such.

The only reason I always spare my Hawke is because he's with Isabella in my World State and I can't do Isabella dirty like that. So, Stroud is always sacrificed. Plus, it's kind of his job as a Grey Warden. Also, Varric deserves his best friend living.
 

Sou Da

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HAVE MY GAY BULL ROMANCE CHOICE IN DAI IINFLUENCE THE DIALOGUE

I know it cant go the lengths DAI did with using choices from the first two since theyre not all on one platform but like.... just give a multiple choice essay on choices chosen in DAI atleast, damn
You don't remember the Dragon Age Keep?