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Doom's legions of Hell vs Half-Life's Combine
- Thread starter SchroDingerzat
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Just based on how powerful earth's forces were in Doom Eternal before collapsing, the Demons would wreck the combines forces on half life's version of earth.
Whether they could beat the entire Combine empire is highly unlikely, given that they apparently were gonna have a Dyson sphere in Half Life 3.
Whether they could beat the entire Combine empire is highly unlikely, given that they apparently were gonna have a Dyson sphere in Half Life 3.
The ability to
Demons would absolutely maul. I doubt an entire Combine army can even take down a single Cyber Demon.
The Combine would need to bring in heavier hitters than we've seen so far. Their foot soldiers can probably deal with Hell's swarms of possessed soldiers and imps thanks to being better armed and not stupid, but Gordon was able to drop their heavy vehicles with a handful of rockets of the sort that Hell's tougher legions can rain down with absolute impunity, never mind the presence of bruisers like the baron of hell who can just jump into the middle of their ranks and lay waste while shrugging off incoming fire.
Not to mention the demons absolutely not value their own life and storm regardless of if they lose it or if it's more strategically sound to preserve your strength.
Demons would overwhelm Earth's Combine presence.
The Combine empire would win a war of attrition against the demons.
The Combine empire would win a war of attrition against the demons.
An entire Combine army is probably much, much larger than the Combine forces we've seen on Earth.
No probably about it, that's the driving plot of the half life 2 episodes. The combine forces that made earth surrender in 7 hours is a skeleton crew, earth is nothing to the combine. An ant hill to conquer. They open the super portal in the episodes to try and bring in reserves during the rebellion.
The combine's main focus seems to be an ongoing war with the Shu'ulathoi, the telepathic entities that become advisors when assimilated. It's believed that all the combine advisors are actually infant shu'ulathoi because the adult shu'ulathoi are powerful enough to take the combine empire on head on. The vast, vast majority of the combine's forces are pitted in battle with them, not dealing with earth. We're like a gas station to them.
Larger or not, they would have to deal with massive demons that would easily take out waves of them at a time, not even getting to what some of the bosses can do if you add them to the mix.
Hell, easily. Even with their infighting chaos, they have seemingly endless legions of demons of various size and effectiveness- the bigger ones dwarf anything the Combine has to offer that we've seen (though I haven't played Alyx).
The Doom Slayer would rip and tear through the Combine quite easily.
The Doom Slayer would rip and tear through the Combine quite easily.
Are there lots of new and really big Combine enemies in Alyx, because I don't recall the enemies being all that imposing outside of the striders and hunters from HL2/Episodes. And are the enemies in HL1 even Combine? I would guess not because Vortigaunts fight against the Combine and they were enemies in HL1.
So unless there's a shit load of enemy types I haven't seen then this would be a whitewash for the legions of Hell. They're more numerous, more varied and much more powerful both physically and with lots of other shit like resurrection and teleportation.
So unless there's a shit load of enemy types I haven't seen then this would be a whitewash for the legions of Hell. They're more numerous, more varied and much more powerful both physically and with lots of other shit like resurrection and teleportation.
even with the infighting, hell completely fucked up earth with barely any fight whatsoever, with only doomguy actually able to do anything
hell, the titans alone(who are entirely indestructible) are more than enough.
Werent they also supposedly interested on Earth due to the teleport technology which tehy do not posses?
Demons are effectively endless
Combine are alien and fuck you strong, but they're still scientifically mortal
hell, the legions of brainwashing demons alone would be able to convert them to demons over time any way.
Hell had demons like The Titan. Humongous monstrosities who's corpse alters the landscape. They can apparently be created to face a specific threat, as the Titan was for the Doom Slayer, so they're 100% in play. Even a lower level demon like a Hell Knight would probably tear through the Combine's Earth forces. If a nerd with mostly conventional weaponry can hold his own, then certainly Hell wouldn't have any issue.
Not to mention that Hell has apparently been fighting for untold ages, and still hasn't been depleted. I can't imagine the Combine could win a war of attrition against them. The Combine can assimilate, but not at the speed that Hell can. Huge chunks of the Combine grunt would probably just be possessed.
This thread makes we want to replay Half Life. It's been far too long.
Not to mention that Hell has apparently been fighting for untold ages, and still hasn't been depleted. I can't imagine the Combine could win a war of attrition against them. The Combine can assimilate, but not at the speed that Hell can. Huge chunks of the Combine grunt would probably just be possessed.
This thread makes we want to replay Half Life. It's been far too long.
Well it depends. Do they have their respective weapons or make due with what's available to them? Part of what makes Doomguy so menacing is the arsenal he has available to him. If you give Gordon those same weapons I bet he could do a lot of damage. Give Doomguy a gravity gun though and well, I guess he can make do with it?
As to which army is superior the Combine we see are but a super infinitesimally small part of the actual Combine that we even know about much less the parts we don't. Hells minions are dumb and easily dispatched in most situations. I'd wager the Combine would use sheer might of their technology alone to subjugate the legion of Hell.
Hell demons are scientifically mortal too or is Doomguy using a shotgun from Heaven?
As to which army is superior the Combine we see are but a super infinitesimally small part of the actual Combine that we even know about much less the parts we don't. Hells minions are dumb and easily dispatched in most situations. I'd wager the Combine would use sheer might of their technology alone to subjugate the legion of Hell.
Hell demons are scientifically mortal too or is Doomguy using a shotgun from Heaven?
Doom Eternal spoilers
Hell can send in a Titan, which can only be defeated by a crucible, which I dont think the combine have. It also grows in strength with every kill and cannot be controlled through traditional telepathy.
Except we've never seen the boundaries of hell either, and Doomguy is literally said to never be able to stop, because Hell is endless. You can't subjugate an infinite legion of demons that can literally just possess combine en masse.
Aliens don't win against Hell, unless they're actual reality/universe altering cosmic horrors, which the combine arent.
also, this hypothetical is ignoring that the combine would also go to hell, and DOOMs hell would exist for all HL races. Hell isn't exclusove to humanity.
Fair enough. Tbh I'd love to play that game. Hell versus Combine. Doomguy and Gordon just watching and chucking nades from a distance lol.
Yes
And Demons probably just go right back to hell when they die, they're a supernatural lifeform that come from the afterlife. Literally infinite.
edit: double reply lol
Yes, half his arsenal is literally tainted by demonic(and maykr?) blood. He's with the sentinels.
And Demons probably just go right back to hell when they die, they're a supernatural lifeform that come from the afterlife. Literally infinite.
edit: double reply lol
That is the case.
They are brought back to hell. Repaired and stitched back together and back to action.
This thread made me want a DLC for Doom Eternal where we just travel to a bunch of different Bethesda IPs.
Just due to sheer power level difference between the average demon and the average Combine plus the acknowledgement that both forces might be functionally endless I'm gonna say the war would go on forever and the Combine would never be winning it. The (non-canon) scale of the Combine's forces is their greatest strength and it's not relevant against the infinite legions of hell.
Probably demons.
One thing to note about the weapons in Doom Eternal is that a lot of them seem way more powerful than the mostly-conventional Earth weaponry that you see in Half-Life. The assault rifle is noted to be way heavier than normal guns, and looks like it fires pretty big bullets. And yet Doomguy waves that thing around like it's nothing.
One thing to note about the weapons in Doom Eternal is that a lot of them seem way more powerful than the mostly-conventional Earth weaponry that you see in Half-Life. The assault rifle is noted to be way heavier than normal guns, and looks like it fires pretty big bullets. And yet Doomguy waves that thing around like it's nothing.
Eternal, where he's constantly grouped in with the night sentinels in text logs(and a few cutscenes) in his fight against hell, and the NS got the hyper advanced warcraft from the Maykrs originally, which are effectively godlike beings. His armor is identical to all those mechs for a reason.
Doomguy himself at this point probably isn't really human anymore
wait
If Hell is afterlife ... don't that mean that the legions of hell AUTOMATICALLY get demon combines in this case?
In the hypothetical that they both exist in the same universe, yeah. Demon Combine, Demon Vortigaunt, Demon Xen Forces, etc.
Yes.
Infact, the demons in doom are mostly different races of aliens that hell corrupted.
The earth surrendered to the combine in 7 hours, in Doom Eternals lore the demonic invasion lasts several months.
In Doom lore, Hell corrupts every living thing with the allure of power EXCEPT Doomguy.
The Combine's whole thing is using telepathy, drugs, or brute force to suppress and assimilate a population.
So you would assume Hell would assimilate the Combine, who would continue to assimilate races for Hell.
The Combine's whole thing is using telepathy, drugs, or brute force to suppress and assimilate a population.
So you would assume Hell would assimilate the Combine, who would continue to assimilate races for Hell.
"Prepare for......unforeseen....consequenc~....what are you doing? Wait, get back! BACK! AAAAAH MY SPINE! YOU MOTHERFU-"
*crack*
I must have missed a lot about the preator suit then.
But otherwise, the Slayers weapons aren't tainted, there is nothing about that, they are normal weapons that he picked up off earth or mars dead corpses. The logs even say "The night Sentinels profressed, it is the warrior that makes the weapon great" about the chainsaw. His weapons are normal weapons.
The Night sentinels used argent energy to power their weapons and tech. That's the only thing we get on it. The advantage the Slayer has is that he was enhanced by the Divinity machine.
When demons die they die. They are not infinite in number but as good as. They are not spirits they are organic creatures of flesh and blood. They don't get stitched back together.
But you literally see one getting repaired in Eternal. The demons get revived with hells energy.
Ok i change my vote combine does not stand a chance to the legions of hell
The Super Shotgun, Ballista, Plasma Gun, and Heavy rifle are all far away from being normal human weapons
also thats not how hell works, in like, any fiction. When a demon dies it goes back to hell because it IS an afterlife, whether it be by soul or not(and souls become demons overtime). Hell is endless because it's supernatural. It's not science.
But also to the bolded, yes, that goes with it, as I've said Doomguy is literally the only one able to fight back hell, at all.
The humans in Doom are way more advanced technology wise and Samuel Hayden helped with argent energy and AI.
If we're going by Epistle3 rules then...
Part of the combine's reason for invading earth is to assimilate Aperture Science's portal technology, which eventually reached the ability to time travel. It's only a matter of time before the combine have the ability to perceive time non-linearly as the vortigaunt do. Being able to fuck with time would make the combine essentially unbeatable.
Also, yknow, being locked in a sealed stone sarcophagus for years, possibly decades, and still strong enough to shatter chains and smash heads ;)
It doesn't matter how it works in other fictions, it matters how it works in Dooms lore.
In the lore, the night Sentinels are able to fight through hell, albeit barely successfully, until they were betrayed by the markyr, because of argent energy.
And yes, all his weapons are capable of being welded by humans. The plasma gun and heavy rifle are welded by UAC soldiers. The Super shotgun is of "earthly design" the balista can also be used by humans as the slayer was able to use it before he was enhanced.
I won't deny that if I forgot that, though if you mean the Doom hunter the game seems to describe them as not being demons but just an ancient hunter creature.
