Doom's legions of Hell vs Half-Life's Combine

[SchroDingerzat]

Since we had 2 entries from 2 of the greatest first person shooters a couple days apart, I thought it would be chance to do a fun vs thread.

Both DOOM and Half-Life have mutli-dimensional invading armies, both incorporate elements of the dimensions they conquer, and both have a single guy trying to upset their plans (though Freeman arguably is fighting a lost cause, where Doomguy has a chance of actually winning in the end).

In an unlikely situation we ever got a crossover (though stranger things have happened), who out of these two armies would ultimately prevail? The winner would most likely incorporate the loser into their ranks, and most likely the combined army would destroy everything. But how would this fight go down?

Just a small note, we don't know the full scale of the Combine, where we do however have a better idea of Hell. But rather than saying the Combine win due to infinite minions that may or may not exist, let's try to base arguments on what is known about the Combine rather than what we don't.

BONUS QUESTION: How would Doomguy fair against the Combine? Could Freeman survive Hell?

 

[Deleted member 56306]

I... need to play both of these games first. But I'm gonna go with the legions of hell.

 

[Deleted member 28523]

Combine. og doom has infighting. they arent some well disciplined hivemind army.

 

[chandoog]

Despite not knowing the full scope of the Combine.
I'm still gonna vote for the legion of Hell after seeing their scope in Eternal.

BONUS QUESTION: How would Doomguy fair against the Combine? Could Freeman survive Hell?

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Doom guy will eviscerate the combine. Gordon may or may not survive Hell depending on his equipment.

 

[Max|Payne]

Doomguy against the combine would've been a 7 minute skirmish in our favor.

 

[Tophat Jones]

BONUS QUESTION: How would Doomguy fair against the Combine? Could Freeman survive Hell?

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Combine would be running away in terror. Freeman wouldn't make it past the first Imp.

 

[Jamesac68]

Hmm... Combine is more organized and smarter, Hell's legions are brutal and don't seem to have an end. I think Combine could squeak out a win, but it would be close.

 

[Dr. Ludwig]

I actually think the Combine stand a good chance since the above aforementioned infighting doesn't apply to them.

The brainwashed armies of the combine are more organized than the random chaos of hell lol.

 

[Platy]

individually, the armies of hell are MUCH more powerfull than the combine, but yeah the organization is a big stuff.

Doomguy would absolutely finish half life in a matter of minutes tho

 

[UnluckyKate]

Doomguy against the combine would've been a 7 minute skirmish in our favor.

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Yup. I mean, he would straight up rage climb that portal and wreck havoc into combines

 

[Deleted member 21709]

Alyx being VR makes its enemies a lot more imposing and scary to me.

 

[zma1013]

individually, the armies of hell are MUCH more powerfull than the combine, but yeah the organization is a big stuff.

Doomguy would absolutely finish half life in a matter of minutes tho

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Freeman would backwards-speedrun at 1000 mph and leap over all of Doom and get to the end in a minute.

 

[Platy]

Freeman would backwards-speedrun at 1000 mph and leap over all of Doom and get to the end in a minute.

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hey we are talking canonical powers here, glitchless only =P

 

[Aegis Renfro]

Hell would wash the Combine through sheer attrition and superior technology. The Combine are ground-based and the Spider Mastermind can electrify the ground. There are also multiple demons that can survive a BFG blast. The Combine's weaponry is vastly inferior to Doom weaponry.

The Doom Slayer would wash the Combine. The legions of Hell outright fear the Doom Slayer. The Combine probably doesn't even have any weaponry that can damage the Doom Slayer.

The Doom Slayer would annihilate all of them. Combine. Hell. Gordon. And quickly.

 

[zma1013]

Freeman survived Xen and that was worse than any Hell that I can imagine.

 

[Sub Boss]

HELL! HELL!

 

[Vitet]

I love these threads.

 

[Shelbyville Milhouse]

Freeman would die against the first Imp and Doom Guy would starve in the first room with a puzzle that requires you do to something more than punch it so we are doomed

 

[Karlinel]

The hordes of hell are almost endless, faster, brutal, and the Combine are allergic to gentle melee.

 

[∀∃:ETURNA]

I'm thinking Hell would find a means of crumbling the Combine internally much like how they succeeded with Argent D'Nur. Hell seemingly posseses vastly superior technologies through things like localized teleportation, which the Combine have yet to figure out. I'm sure there are demons within Hell that vastly outrank a Combine Advisor in terms of telepathic and telekinetic prowess as well.

 

[Platy]

The Doom Slayer would annihilate all of them. Combine. Hell. Gordon. And quickly.

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Now imagine Doomguy with the supercharged gravity gun

 

[Rassilon]

There are suggestions that the Combine are larger than one can comprehend, essentially being a inter--dimensional organism of epic scale that spreads its influence in a dispassionate and overwhelming way.

Like the Borg, their forces are made of what useful creatures and technology they have absorbed.
The enemies Freeman fought in HL2 are but a small contingent of occupiers. We don't really know what their invasion force looked like, but when they arrived, Earth surrendered after only 7 hours.

 

[Älg]

Doomguy would obliterate the Combine. Gordon would die instantly in Hell. Therefore, the forces of Hell are more powerful and would win. Q.E.D.

 

[Shopolic]

From what we saw in both games, Doom demons are much more powerful!

 

[Saturday]

The Combine we've seen in HF are nerfed, aren't they? Being a token occupation force and all. I think the Combine are supposed to be nigh batshit insane in terms of logistics. And if there were any force out there that would adapt to demons pouring out of hell, it would be them.

BONUS ROUND: Gordon could possibly amble on through Doom 1 and 2 as a replacement to Doomguy. He wouldn't replace the Doom Slayer. Doomguy absolutely strolls through on the Resonance Cascade, but HF2 is interesting in that there's a lot of moving parts outside Gordon's influence (The G-man being an obvious factor,) so Doomguy as a blunt weapon might not work out perfectly. But I mean yeah you get one portal to the combine homeworld and you can call it a day.

 

[The Lord of Cereal]

I feel even including the leaked Half Life 2 episode 3 details of the Combine (that showed an unwinnable fight) the legions of hell would win simply because they are much more powerful individually and easily out number the Combine.

 

[Platy]

Freeman would die against the first Imp and Doom Guy would starve in the first room with a puzzle that requires you do to something more than punch it so we are doomed

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Should be noted that half life puzzles are not THAT hard and gordon is not THAT weak.

Gordon would die in the 3rd enemy because of the crowbar and doomguy would bruteforce most puzzles.

 

[zma1013]

Doomguy couldn't even take on Dr Kleiner if Dr Kleiner lost his glasses.

 

[Deleted member 16876]

Doom guy would destroy everyone.

 

[Semfry]

Purely going off the games (don't know what Alyx adds to the Combine though) Hell seems stronger, but taking the "Epistle 3" stuff into account the Combine are apparently near-infinite just like the Legions of Hell, and both factions are very good at "reappropriating" both the alive and dead to assist, not to mention even just taking the game lore they can apparently deal with something like the G-Man who has some degree of control over time and space itself (and is still implied to be relatively low on the power hierachy), so assuming the general HL canon remains the same they seem pretty equal. Of the two protagonists Doomguy is definitely much stronger, but I think that's partly due to having much more content to draw from; taking "epistle 3" into account again Gordon would have to start getting to Doomguy level of feats to even start putting a dent into the Combine as a whole, so while Doomguy is the winner I'm not sure Gordon's potential is as far off as it seems.

 

[Storminormin]

Comparing Gordon Freeman to Doom Guy is pretty much like comparing Krillin to Goku.

 

[WellbornWarrior]

What do you mean Doomguy has a "chance" of winning? He DID win and all demons are shitting their pants on the sight of him.

 

[Ionic]

I bet the legions of Hell could overtake the Combine controlled Earth assuming they didn't get offworld reinforcements. But we know the Combine have enslaved many worlds. I feel like if we saw the Combine as a whole instead of the measly Earth occupation branch they'd just subjugate Hell as well. And for fun if we took Laidlaw's Epistle 3 into account then it's not really a question.

Gordon surviving Hell depends on how much Gluon gun ammo he has.

 

[SchroDingerzat]

Comparing Gordon Freeman to Doom Guy is pretty much like comparing Krillin to Goku.

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It's less about comparing them, more how the other would survive in the other world.

The main question is comparing Hell to the Combine however.

 

[Seyavesh]

isnt hell like The Literal Hell From Religious Texts how the hell are some aliens gonna beat them

 

[WellbornWarrior]

isnt hell like The Literal Hell From Religious Texts how the hell are some aliens gonna beat them

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In the recent Dooms hell is just a kind of another dimension and they conquer planets by slowly dragging them into hell, killing all citizens, extracting their souls to use them as energy for their magic while the empty corpses slowly become mindless demons.

 

[Lulu]

It's hard to say. I don't think we;ve seen the brunt of the combine

 

[Sub Boss]

In the recent Dooms hell is just a kind of another dimension and they conquer planets by slowly dragging them into hell, killing all citizens, extracting their souls to use them as energy for their magic while the empty corpses slowly become mindless demons.

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Sounds like Christian Hell

 

[Deleted member 12790]

you never get a real sense for the scale of the combine in HL1 or 2 because we only have the perspective of captured humans, but Epistle3 demonstrated their numbers. They are unfathomably huge in empire, their technology is essentially unbeatable. that was the twist in Epistle3, after getting the borealis, their supposed game-changing weapon, they go to use it and realize it's nothing more than an mosquito bite to just a small portion of the combine empire. The combine is large and advanced enough to effortlessly build Dyson spheres. The combine overlords have also "assimilated" what are essentially a race of telepathic gods. In fact, their general strategy for defeating and conquering worlds makes them pretty much unstoppable -- they assimilate the population, augment them, then make them fight against themselves. So the "combine" who would fight the legions of hell, would be demons from hell that are souped up to begin with. And demons fighting each other is a staple of doom.

Combine all the way.

 

[chandoog]

Comparing Gordon Freeman to Doom Guy is pretty much like comparing Krillin to Goku.

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I'm not even a Dragon Ball guy but even I know how much of a sick burn that is.

 

[WellbornWarrior]

you never get a real sense for the scale of the combine in HL1 or 2 because we only have the perspective of captured humans, but Epistle3 demonstrated their numbers. They are unfathomably huge in empire, their technology is essentially unbeatable. that was the twist in Epistle3, after getting the borealis, their supposed game-changing weapon, they go to use it and realize it's nothing more than an mosquito bite to just a small portion of the combine empire. The combine is large and advanced enough to effortlessly build Dyson spheres. The combine overlords have also "assimilated" what are essentially a race of telepathic gods. In fact, their general strategy for defeating and conquering worlds makes them pretty much unstoppable -- they assimilate the population, augment them, then make them fight against themselves. So the "combine" who would fight the legions of hell, would be demons from hell that are souped up to begin with. And demons fighting each other is a staple of doom.

Combine all the way.

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Is it really fair to base this comparision on a farewell letter of an employee from which probably nothing will end up in the future canon of the not yet existing games?

 

[Sign My Guestbook!]

Doomguy rips the Combine to funny little pieces. Can just see him double jumping up to a strider and tearing off its carapace with his bare hands.

 

[RestEerie]

Doomguy is basically sci-fi Kratos.

Don't think anything can stand in his way. He's angry and wants to crush some demon's skulls for breakfast.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

Is it really fair to base this comparision on a farewell letter of an employee from which probably nothing will end up in the future canon of the not yet existing games?

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The combine being impossibly large is not something only revealed in that letter. They talk about their strategies, their assimilation technologies, etc. throughout the entire half life series. That they have assimilated what are essentially telepathic gods is like the central driving plot of the half life 2 saga. You hear them talking about Dyson Spheres a lot in HL2.

Heck, the introduction to the combine in the entire narrative is when you find them hopping dimensions, pinning down a second race of telepathic gods into submission at the end of a long war.

 

[More_Badass]

I...want to see this movie. The legions of Hell versus the bio-tech inter-dimensional hyper-galactic hivemind conquerer. Both sides adapting to and countering eachother's weapons and technology

 

[Biteren]

if a hellwave hit the combine, would it turn them into possessed?

 

[zma1013]

What do you mean Doomguy has a "chance" of winning? He DID win and all demons are shitting their pants on the sight of him.

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If Doomguy win then why we still got demons?

 

[Welfare]

Swap Gordon for Doom Slayer at the end of Epistle 3 and Doom Slayer does to the Combine the same he did to Hell.

 

[Sign My Guestbook!]

If Doomguy win then why we still got demons?

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Because doom guy is a demon quarantine. His ultimate goal is keeping them all home so he can rip and tear forever. This is the ending to Doom 64.

 

[WellbornWarrior]

If Doomguy win then why we still got demons?

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Well one guy can only save one planet at a time. At the end of the next game he probably depopulated hell.