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Doom Patrol |OT| D-I-E D-I-E, Let's Die (Fridays, DC Universe)
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This show is genuinely great, and I think Titans is pretty solid(Hoping season two coalesces better). These are leaps and bounds above any other hero shows.
Another great episode, probably my favorite one yet.
But with that said this episode, despite being so overwhelmingly character focused, actually shows quite clearly just why Cyborg doesn't belong here. They can have him accidentally kill his saintly mother, they can have his dad be a terrible father who has kept Vic unintentionally isolated from his humanity, they can have him question and be wary of the robotic half of his being, but his superhero nature/affliction and his problems are completely milquetoast compared to everyone else.
They have pushed Cyborg as far as they can without radically changing the character and it still isn't 1/64 DP enough. Rita triumphantly getting out of the basement just to puddle back down again, Cliff's sensory-deprivation fueled rage, Larry's continued melancholic self-flagellation, Jane in her entirety, Vic Stone might as well be the definition of normal compared to them.
But with that said this episode, despite being so overwhelmingly character focused, actually shows quite clearly just why Cyborg doesn't belong here. They can have him accidentally kill his saintly mother, they can have his dad be a terrible father who has kept Vic unintentionally isolated from his humanity, they can have him question and be wary of the robotic half of his being, but his superhero nature/affliction and his problems are completely milquetoast compared to everyone else.
They have pushed Cyborg as far as they can without radically changing the character and it still isn't 1/64 DP enough. Rita triumphantly getting out of the basement just to puddle back down again, Cliff's sensory-deprivation fueled rage, Larry's continued melancholic self-flagellation, Jane in her entirety, Vic Stone might as well be the definition of normal compared to them.
Bona to vada, Danny.
I can't really square with how you just downplayed accidentally killing your his mother.
Accidentally killing his own mother is tragic but it(and the rest of Cyborg's deal) is the type of drama that belong's to the normal breed of superhero. And it is that exact normality that keeps him feeling like a character who was shoehorned in despite not actually fitting in.
A couple episodes into this and I was warming up to the idea of him being on the show because it seemed like they were going to use his non DP-ness to contrast with the others but instead the show has tried to give him "issues" the way the rest do and it doesn't gel.
It is telling that Cyborg's "issues" are largely external, it is all his father's manipulations and his completely accidental killing of his mom, it is nothing about himself, he is never the issue, and this is perhaps the most damning in regards to being on this show because who he is is actually a pretty nice guy with a good head on his shoulders. Compared to the rest of the crew whose problems are as much internal as not, Rita's problems don't begin and end with her accident, or her now being a blob, Rita's problems are Rita.
I can see where gforguava is coming from. His tragic story, in the grand scheme of things, is a lot more "normal" compared to the rest of The Doom Patrol. I do think that it's a good thing he's with The Doom Patrol to give him some perspective and experience with other metahumans.
Admiral Whiskers though. I didn't see that coming at all, lol.
Admiral Whiskers though. I didn't see that coming at all, lol.
You could argue that Rita's problems are largely external given that she was groomed for Hollywood by her parents from a young age. And that Larry was pressured by society and concern for his parents to repress his sexuality. And that Cliff had a higher chance of being a shitty person because his father was a shitty person.
Great episode and daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn Cliff going ballistic was a great scene.
Guess Admiral Whiskers is the primary reason for Cliff's mental episode of seeing Bump....or maybe Whiskers just caused his mechanical body to malfunction and Cliff's mental issues were not directly affected by it.
Guess Admiral Whiskers is the primary reason for Cliff's mental episode of seeing Bump....or maybe Whiskers just caused his mechanical body to malfunction and Cliff's mental issues were not directly affected by it.
Man, that was a crazy episode. I mean, you could tell that something was really off with Cliff even after his whole episode, but I certainly didn't expect Admiral Whiskers.
I just finished the episode and saw the preview for next week. I cannot believe they're bringing in that character. I didn't think it possible.
I finally got around to watching this show, just finished with the first two episodes. My thoughts:
This show is completely insane and I'm loving every second of it!
This show is completely insane and I'm loving every second of it!
I meant about the new characters in next week's episode haha. I don't know anything about these guys and people seem excited. Didn't wanna read too much about him and be spoiled on google
Lets just say that now Animal Mineral Vegetable Man will not be the weirdest thing this show adapted
If they hadn't I would be terribly disappointed. Grant Morrison's idea deserve more screen time and this version of Doom Patrol is delivering.
To be honest this show is more focused then Morrison's run in a way, if only cause the comic had to deal with being set-up after being passed off another writer's run and team history and try to introduce his ideas while reworking team all at once. There was also an unbalance on focus on the amount of play each character got, Robotman and Crazy Jane being the main ones, while here everyone gets to shine which this episode shows.
That's only cause it's built off Morrison however.
That's only cause it's built off Morrison however.
I see your points but I like the actor and think he is doing a real decent job.
Me 40 minutes into the last ep: I like they are doing a more contained ep with less (relative) crazy.....
*Enter Admiral Whiskers*
Fraser is so perfect for this role, was dying at "THEEERRRRAAAPPPYYYYy"
*Enter Admiral Whiskers*
Fraser is so perfect for this role, was dying at "THEEERRRRAAAPPPYYYYy"
I miss the Polari but understand why it's not there, got to say the Karaoke scene was especially incredible.
End of that music video especially on point, whoever is doing (music) direction is easily loving their job and knocking it out of the fucking park.
And Cliff's dream!
End of that music video especially on point, whoever is doing (music) direction is easily loving their job and knocking it out of the fucking park.
And Cliff's dream!
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I envy you, spending all week waiting for new episodes is torture. And this one is such a nice surprise.
Man, this show is just incredible. Live action Danny the street is something I really never thought I'd get.
There was just so much to love about this episode. We got two really fantastic and weird plots for the price of one.
There was just so much to love about this episode. We got two really fantastic and weird plots for the price of one.
What a phoney fan.
I can't believe we got a live action Danny the Street, and pulled off really well as well.
Wait a second, are they doing THAT episode next week with Jane? Gonna be lit!
I hope we get to see that one crazy-ass persona of hers.
I hope we get to see that one crazy-ass persona of hers.
so why does Rita have to explain Karen to Cliff early in this episode, as though he's new to the team and has never encountered her before, when her thing is "90s romcoms" and he's been living at the mansion since the late 80s?
one of the few things I dislike about this show is just how little the writers seem to care about the implications of making all the main characters immortal, and apparently they're just willing to straight-up ignore their own chronology for expository purposes? like, at least have her explain that to Cyborg instead
one of the few things I dislike about this show is just how little the writers seem to care about the implications of making all the main characters immortal, and apparently they're just willing to straight-up ignore their own chronology for expository purposes? like, at least have her explain that to Cyborg instead
I don't think there's any particular reason Cliff would have met Karen before, since Karen leads her fantasy double life away from the manor (and this is the first time he's followed her).