Doom Eternal's soundtrack released today and id Software seems to have mixed it poorly themselves to Mick Gordon's dismay

[Disco]

losing Mick is gonna be a huge blow to the Doom series. I loved Eternal so much (despite its meh story but I was never that bothered by it and it wasn't as invasive as people gave it credit for being) but the sequel will be missing something without Mick

unless they somehow hired a composer with equal dedication to make a badass metal soundtrack for the game. that seems very unlikely tho. might just be a middle of the mall game composer phoning their shit in.

 

[Gush]

Well this is fucking terrible, I listen to the 2016 soundtrack all the time and was super hyped for the eternal soundtrack. Now I hear it's a terrible mix that Mick doesn't even like!

ugh, where can I get those FLAC files???

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FLAC won't solve the issue because they'd almost certainly be sourced from the same masters that Mick is unhappy with

You'd just be getting a lossless version of the same brickwalled mixes

 

[Zips]

Yeah, sure...

The OST is awesome but so is most of the game. Saving grace..

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I'll add in the hook on the double barrel, but that's about it.

Sorry, but I didn't like it when compared to the 2016 game.

 

[Fawz]

Hopefully this gets properly adressed, both by re-releasing a properly mixed version of the OST and by appologizing to Mick to mend the fences. However I'm glad he's moving on as I'm sure there are plenty of other gaming opportunities that would welcome his talent with open arms and treat him better than Bethesda did considering all he did for the Doom reboot.

 

[Deleted member 2229]

Well this is fucking terrible, I listen to the 2016 soundtrack all the time and was super hyped for the eternal soundtrack. Now I hear it's a terrible mix that Mick doesn't even like!

ugh, where can I get those FLAC files???

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FLAC files were released to Collectors/Special Edition holders along with the MP3s already, that being said:

FLAC won't solve the issue because they'd almost certainly be sourced from the same masters that Mick is unhappy with

You'd just be getting a lossless version of the same brickwalled mixes

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[daedalius]

FLAC won't solve the issue because they'd almost certainly be sourced from the same masters that Mick is unhappy with

You'd just be getting a lossless version of the same brickwalled mixes

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Shit!

well this just sucks. I hope the uproar lets Mick do a master of the songs for a new version or something.

 

[SnakeXs]

Leave it to Bethesda to piss in the Cheerios of an IP building talent like that. Mick's work is pretty much untouchable but they still manage some fuckery. Can't ever let a talented person and their pivotal work be appreciated and respected, no no.

 

[headspawn]

That's gotta be accidental or something, someone probably did a quick and dirty limit to give a listen and then sent the wrong export out for mastering.

 

[NotLiquid]

seems like there's some credence to it:

Doom Eternal's official soundtrack wasn't mixed by its composer, and you can tell

Something sounds off.

www.pcgamer.com

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I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

 

[Chindogg]

Leave it to Bethesda to piss in the Cheerios of an IP building talent like that. Mick's work is pretty much untouchable but they still manage some fuckery. Can't ever let a talented person and their pivotal work be appreciated and respected, no no.

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Ok hear me out:

Mick Gordon Presents: Metroid Prime 4 OST

 

[VorpalNonsense]

He liked these tweets yesterday too, now he's unliked them.

If they can't patch this up I'm gonna be devastated. Eternal is incredible, easily my GOTY and his music is a huge part of why. The next Doom would literally be worse without him.

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Is that your own screenshot or found online?

 

[nStruct]

Dammit, I hope they can work things out. The next DOOM game will have a gaping hole without his music.

 

[Deleted member 2229]

I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

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Could've just been an in the moment thing where he was upset, wasn't thinking about the potential fallout of it, like someone taking it to reddit and it blowing up from there and has since calmed down and is starting to look at things more rationally and or is talking to Id about the situation and doesn't want to make things worse.

 

[MerluzaSamus]

I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

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If I have to guess:
While Mick is not pleased at all with the mixing, the instagram screenshot might be fake (Some people seem to have evidence that points to be the case).
Either that, or Gordon answered in the heat of the moment, and now he is trying to be more calm about it.

 

[metsallica]

I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

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Because that's the kind of guy he is. I can't tell you how many of my personal emails he's directly responded to. He loves his fans and he loves what he does. He probably reacted quickly and out of passion but obviously couldn't do the same to PCG.

 

[Dark1x]

Everything about this sucks. losing Mick would be a damn shame. The only other composer who even comes close would be Andrew Hulshult and I'm not sure he could fill those shoes for another Doom game.

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I think he could fill the shoes and possibly do it better. Mick did great work, of course, but I prefer Andrew's soundtrack work.

 

[dreamfall]

Goodness, how the hell did this happen? I hope they can get it straightened out, and Mick can get the love and appreciation to keep collaborating with them. He's the essence of the rebooted DOOM titles, without his music it would never be the same.

 

[NotLiquid]

Because that's the kind of guy he is. I can't tell you how many of my personal emails he's directly responded to.

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It's not the part about him being open with fans I question (bless his soul for being so cool), I'm just confused that the press answer he gave seems to run pretty different, more as "yeah I don't get what's going on either". Not sure if he's backtracking on saying anything or if it was faked.

 

[Deleted member 11276]

Ok hear me out:

Mick Gordon Presents: Metroid Prime 4 OST

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Nah. Kenji Yamamoto is the heart of MP OST. Mick is great but Metroid has a special feeling in its soundtrack that can only be done by Kenji.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

The only positive that I could see come out of this would be the next Doom having a classic thrash metal-sounding score (think 'At Doom's Gate' but recorded by Slayer to get an idea of what I'm thinking of).

But that's never gonna happen so we'd be bound to end up with something that's not as good as what Mick has done.

Thanks, O̶b̶a̶m̶a̶ id software.

 

[Tahnit]

for those of us who got the collectors edition or deluxe how do we get the soundtrack?

 

[CorethPWilshire]

This has been badly brickwalled at some point by looking at it closer to hardclip at 0dBFS, pulled down in level by several dB, that one weird transient hitting 0dBFS which looks like it had to have been added in post mix. A hard limiter on the master output bus on mixdown and then imported into the rest of the track. Or just added after the mastering pass. I wouldn't be surprised if dual compression/limiting was used on this incorrectly. Either way I gave the track a listen and it has a ton of clipping distortion, drums sound especially bad with cymbals.

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They almost surely limited the original version, and then decided to put the swelling "scwoop" sounds over the top of the already-limited mix. It's so sad because they could have just done it properly by mixing the swells into the unmastered mix, then mastered the whole thing, and they would have actually achieved a louder master than this without having to limit it so aggressively. I just listened to the Doom Eternal version and it's terrible, just completely crushed and pumping all over the place.

 

[Spinky]

Is that your own screenshot or found online?

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Mine.

 

[VorpalNonsense]

Mine.

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Thanks!

 

[Tahnit]

hopefully bethesda fixes this.

 

[Ruisu]

The music was terribly mixed in the actual Wolfenstein New Order game, and that was a crime too. Nevermind dynamic range between instruments you'd be lucky to actually get to enjoy the music during gameplay.

 

[SnakeXs]

Ok hear me out:

Mick Gordon Presents: Metroid Prime 4 OST

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I mean, Doom's soundtrack was enough, but some of his process-discussions definitely confirm it: The dude has the understanding, talent and creativity to nail damn near whatever he desires. So... yes. Very much yes. Him tackling a ton of ambient, chill explorative musical themes plus a few high intensity moments?

You've been heard.

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Sadly, but someone who doesn't matter much.

 

[Iucidium]

Ok hear me out:

Mick Gordon Presents: Metroid Prime 4 OST

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That's just gave me a chub.

 

[Era of not Yakuza]

Man, I knew something was wrong about the ost this time. It had something different from the original, it wasn't the same feeling. Fuck, BFG division is one of my most played songs on Spotify and I don't even like metal

 

[R.T Straker]

Everything about this sucks. losing Mick would be a damn shame. The only other composer who even comes close would be Andrew Hulshult and I'm not sure he could fill those shoes for another Doom game.

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While not a composer, the only one who could feel his shoes imo is Buckethead.

 

[TameLucas]

shit :(

fix this now, bethesda

 

[denx]

I'll take a Killer Instinct 2 soundtrack now Mick, thanks.

 

[Amauri14]

I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

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Maybe he was pissed about the whole ordeal when the fan asked him, and the vague comment was after he had already calmed down.

 

[Radium217]

It's funny/shitty because it's one of the best things about the game but because people could not do their jobs/maintain the relationship that is likely to change.

 

[Chris Metal]

So was curious... You can see the affect this master has on platforms and the loudness normalisation. DR meter, condensed Red bars is bad Mmmmkay.

Not even the lowest the DR goes...
But these are the key averages: not good:

                                                   L                  R                   Joint
Integrated Loudness (LUFS - BS.1770)                                                    -7.21 (ITU)      
DR (PMF Dynamic Range)                             5.64               5.57                  6 (PMF)      
Min. PSR (SPPM-to-Short-Term Loudness Ratio)                                             3.77 (AES)      
PLR (TP-to-Integrated Loudness Ratio)                                                    7.21 (AES)

Still not as bad as DM...

                                                   L                  R                   Joint
Integrated Loudness (LUFS - BS.1770)                                                    -3.64 (ITU)      
DR (PMF Dynamic Range)                             2.97               2.97                  3 (PMF)      
Min. PSR (SPPM-to-Short-Term Loudness Ratio)                                             2.00 (AES)      
PLR (TP-to-Integrated Loudness Ratio)                                                    3.64 (AES)

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[SinkFla]

Rip & Tear? I don't know, really. Why?

Edit: Googled it was Dogma. Why are you asking me?

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Lol I was agreeing with you. The title song Q was for anyone with an answer not specifically directed at you.

I can't get Doom Eternals menu song out of my head.

 

[TheChungusAmongUs]

I don't get it. Why would Mick tell a fan over Instagram "yeah I'm done with Bethesda", yet he's a lot more vague when asked by press?

What a weird situation.

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I think he probably had a more "raw" and more emotional" moment with the fan because he seems to have taken it personally, but when the press asked he has to sound "more professional". That and he probably didn't think the fan would screencap him and share the convo.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Nice. Mick is free for Killer Instinct 2 now.

 

[aevanhoe]

Lol I was agreeing with you. The title song Q was for anyone with an answer not specifically directed at you.

I can't get Doom Eternals menu song out of my head.

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Ah, ok, sorry :) Yeah, the soundtrack is really amazing :)

 

[LiK]

How do you fuck this up? His music makes the game 100x better.

 

[LiK]

for those of us who got the collectors edition or deluxe how do we get the soundtrack?

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you should have a code to redeem it in Bethesda account.

 

[darkslayer101]

is the ost out on spotify?

 

[metsallica]

is the ost out on spotify?

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Next week.

 

[tapedeck]

Nice. Mick is free for Killer Instinct 2 now.

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I'm assuming MS will do whatever it takes to get Mick back for the inevitable KI2. Not that it would take much..in his interviews about working on the music for KI 2013 he sounded like a kid in a candy store loving every second of the process. The man pours himself entirely into his work with zero compromises.

Whoever is responsible for this (Bethesda or id) y'all dun goofed bad.

 

[Tatsu91]

Does it make me seem like a smug asshole if I say those tracks are the only ones I liked when i was playing lmao I feel so vindicated. Everytime Meathook came on I was like fucking finally

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The sound tracks in the game are mixed and mastered by him the OST which is separate are not and that sucks because I loved listening to the music by itself

 

[Tahnit]

What are the chances that the outroar about this forces bethesda to fix it?

 

[discotheque]

If Bethesda really lost Mick then they fucked up big time, his work for Wolfenstein and Doom was iconic.

Did Prey have bad mixing (in game) too? I only mentioned the ones I've played that drove me up the wall.

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Oh boy it sure did.

 

[FPS murderer]

Friendly reminder that Mick Gordon hid satanic imagery and secret lyrics in the Doom 2016 soundtrack:

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So? Fits the game perfectly. And he also hid Christian stuff like "Jesus saves you" (or likes you or something like that and was open about it, in a presentation to developers revealed how he did it).

 

[poofynamanama2]

Friendly reminder that Mick Gordon hid satanic imagery and secret lyrics in the Doom 2016 soundtrack:

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So the fuck what?

 

[Deleted member 34714]

You can easily confirm this by listening to BFG division. Holy moly this took a huge hit in Doom Eternal. That's enough confirmation for me to know how screwed up this is. It's very muddy and gets distorted when it reaches some high points unlike the 2016 version. Though this is only from hearing through youtube compression, the difference is still massive regardless of what compression method is used.