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DOOM Eternal Update 1 Out Now
- Thread starter Schlorgan
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What a terrible post.
Why should I have to install kernel-level anti-cheat BS just to play the single-player campaign?
Not being ok with that is equivalent to a Trump mindset? Fuck that noise.
I wonder if people whine about Easy Anti Cheat considering that one is also kernel-level anticheating.
I guess people whine about:
Apex Legends
Bleeding Edge
Dauntless
Dead by Daylight
Far Cry 5
Dying Light
Fortnite
For Honor
Gears 5
Halo MCC
Hunt Showdown
Jump Force
Insurgency
And many more. 😆
Great, so why is it needed for single player? Nobody here cares about battlemode.
I don't have any kernel-level anti-cheat software installed on my PC, and I avoid games that force me to install it just to play the single player portion, so...
There's a big difference between Doom Eternal and most of that list....
Something to do with a single-player campaign...
Green eyes, balista shot, quick switch to super shotgun shot, quick switch to balista shot.
Repeat 2-3 times and it gone.
While the anti cheat is annoying, I'm really glad that they finally fixed the automap in HDR. I'm not even half way done, so plenty of playing left without having to rely on SDR.
I don't play the game? It's not like I'm hurting for choices of games to play, it's easy to skip one. As it is I doubt my backlog will ever disappear.
Also I did update my post to say "kernel-level" instead of just any anti-cheat.
I can't play the game I bought without installing a rootkit.
Fuck yes I want a refund.
I'm glad it's finally been fixed, just frustrating how long it took them since most people will have finished it by now. Glad it can be enjoyed in HDR with no compromises though, just a shame about the circumstances around this patch.
Definitely took them way too long. I misunderstood and thought that you uninstalled it mainly due to the anti cheat. You are absolutely right. Yesterday I was about to bitch about it again before googling the issue again and finding out about the latest update list.
Bookmarked.
I'm aware that there can be security issues if someone exploits this anti-cheat but does that actually make it a rootkit?
I'm not sure it's much of an argument to point fingers and go "see, everybody does it, why complain now"?
I'm wary of what software I run, I don't see how that is comparable to a ... Trump-mindset, of all things. You do you, but I'll do what I can to avoid the risks - I've already had plenty of issues with BattlEye and ESEA in CSGO.
Remember when CoD used to have two executable one SP and one MP? Bethesda should do that so they can do the anti-cheat with less fuss i'd assume.
I can understand something like this for Valorant, but I'm interested to see what percentage of Doom players never touch the multiplayer. If only 40% of Doom buyers play multiplayer, is it worth forcing this anti-cheat software down their throats? Separate the modes. Let single player people uninstall the multiplayer portion.
They might have to resort to actually being interesting to watch now.
Seems like a good range of relatively minor changes to me, as someone who plays on Xbox.
I am planning to return to this game in the near future. I think Doom Eternal, Resident Evil 3 and Streets of Rage 4 are all going to be replayed by me quite a lot this year. It's been quite a year for games that I really enjoy replaying (plus Animal Crossing), can't think of any year besides ones where I was really invested in MMOs that I got this much value out of the games I was playing. Some absolutely fun gameplay loops.
I am planning to return to this game in the near future. I think Doom Eternal, Resident Evil 3 and Streets of Rage 4 are all going to be replayed by me quite a lot this year. It's been quite a year for games that I really enjoy replaying (plus Animal Crossing), can't think of any year besides ones where I was really invested in MMOs that I got this much value out of the games I was playing. Some absolutely fun gameplay loops.
Yeah, it's not like I don't understand why people are being as reactionary as they are, but they are being hella reactionary
The problem with Valorant's anti-cheat was that it started up as soon as you booted up your computer and remained active til you shut down
This anti-cheat, just like the kernel-level anti-cheat that's already in use in several games that I'm sure many users in this thread have installed right now, starts when the game boots and stops when you shut off the game.
Not that I think it's something DOOM Eternal needed, but there are a lot of people acting up in these threads because they see 'Denuvo', they see 'kernel level', and they leap to conclusions
I want to see footage of Empowered Demons, doesn't seem like that big of a deal for people who played the game multiple times.
Though I guess we'll eventually have a mod that makes every enemy enraged, that could make for a cool challenge run.
Though I guess we'll eventually have a mod that makes every enemy enraged, that could make for a cool challenge run.
All major anti-cheat works like this. You ever play Fortnite? CoD Warzone? Apex Legends? R6 Siege? You already have this "harmful implementation" on your machine then.
Valorant was attacked because the kernel driver loads at system launch when the other implementations only load at game launch. Doom's loads at game launch and quits on game exit. Just like the other major games.
Yep. People just putting their ignorance out there on display.
Am i crazy or was Doom Eternal originally supposed to have a mode where players could invade your singleplayer game as a demon? I just now thought of this and don't remember it happening through my two play throughs.
I'm not sure if it went that far, but I think there used to be a thing where if certain demons killed another player, it would be marked as a "demon who killed person x" and could show up buffed and labeled in other people's games. I remember seeing that in some demos.
They should offer a refund if the conditions have changed post-release, or at least offer official rollbacks.
It's absolutely not tolerable that they add this type of copy protection AFTER the game's release. This is objectively bad behavior, especially if you don't want to support Denuvo and all they've done to make PC gaming worse.
It's absolutely not tolerable that they add this type of copy protection AFTER the game's release. This is objectively bad behavior, especially if you don't want to support Denuvo and all they've done to make PC gaming worse.
So, is this actually a for real security risk or is it safe to have the game installed ? I use my pc for work and games and I'd prefer not to nuke my system into oblivion because I wanted to play a game.
Everyone that's tested this has said, "No."
Thanks lol. I cant believe i just now thought of this even though i had this in the back of my mind leading up to the game. Maybe i just saw a name above someones head in a video or something. Im a idiot.
A kernel level anti-piracy that takes control of your pc?
Yeah, fuck that Trump-level bullshit
I had the same misconceptions at first until I read your explanation yesterday and looked into it for myself. Now I'm just left wondering how people can read the same shit I've read and continue on like the facts and the context change nothing.
I mean, if people want to reject kernel-level anti-cheat outright, then that's whatever, I just don't get the impression that people realize just how many games use or include anti-cheat implementations like this, as though DOOM Eternal is following in Valorant's footsteps, rather than the footsteps of many of the most popular multiplayer games on PC today.
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No, you're not being dumb. They may have been toying around with ideas like that at some point. I'm just not sure what happened to it.
I've never installed any of those games for that precise reason actually, so no. I wasn't aware that Valorant's implementation differed from other games in that way though, so I appreciate you explaining that. But I still have an issue with any software running at such a low-level on my system, regardless of its implementation, which is why I've avoided games that do this. So patching this into a single-player game (let's be real, no one cares about Battlemode) is frustrating to see.
I found it. "Invasion Incoming Invaders" is a message i never saw. Then two players appear. I stayed out of the Doom thread around release so maybe this has been covered before and im just behind.
Pretty sure the people that worked on Battlemode care about Battlemode and what to preserve the experience.