Finished the tutorial mission. I loved the first one but I feel like... something is missing with this one? I really can't put my finger on it but something about the fight areas or maybe the soundtrack isn't as "cool" as I thought it would be.
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DOOM Eternal |OT| Hells Bells
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What difficulty are you playing on? I played on Ultra-violence and it kicked my ass a lot but I found flexibility. Like, my preferred method of dealing with Mancubus was to either hurl rockets/ballistas/micromissiles at them at a distance or toss in an ice grenade and put on autoshotgun and just grind them down close up. That was how I killed them most of the time, very rarely taking out their guns like the game recommended. Same thing with the Spiders, I destroyed their cannons maybe half the time, other times I just ground them down.
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment btw. Doom Eternal really wants you to play a certain way and with regards to the Marauder, it's worst enemy, it's outright demanding of it, so I get where your coming from. But I don't play Halo on Legendary because that level of difficulty makes anything but slow, cautious, long-distance approaches untenable, so I just play on heroic that allows for the flexibility.
I find it fascinating that all the additions to the game are so controversial. I found them overwhelming at first too but by the end of the game felt pretty positive about them once I found my rhythm. Interestingly, because of the way all the gameplay systems have been layered, I think designing the encounters must have required much more deliberation than 2016's and it makes it that much more impressive to me that they pulled it off as well as they did.
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Guys I'm not saying it's totally inflexible, haha. I'm highlighting my own experience with it that feels less flexible in the ways I'd like it to be, and how the run-and-gun genre generally is. There's flexibility. But there's also a bunch of other stuff going on within that framework that fundamentally influence approach in interesting, fun, but nevertheless different ways to what I expected.
And I'm playing on Ultra Violence. It's the right balance of difficulty for me, given my history with the genre. Just hard enough to make me sweat and panic, but not so hard that I want to put holes in the walls. It's weird though. For every super difficult spike that seems super hard there's an encounter that builds up as something special yet is over in a flash. I figure in those moments I just got lucky.
Yeah. If they increased the ammo count and relaxed the constraints for lower difficulties (while keeping it tight for people who enjoy it on higher difficulties), most of my complaints would go away.
This could never work anymore because of the lack of health/ammo. They need the mortally challenged to re spawn so you can refill. Annoying refill boxes that can kill you with a slap (nightmare).
Is there any way to access the Doom Fortress from the menu?
I would just like to listen to various songs I have unlocked from time to time but it seems only the natural campaign progression lets me go there.
Also, I really hope Bethesda fixes the HDR map bug effin SOON!!
It's definitely a bit harder than the first game though. Took me a while to get used to the new gameplay loop that wants you to use all your tools regularly in battle.
One thing I noticed was how perfectly tuned the controller calibration was already. With Doom2016, I had to change some settings to make the controller feel more responsive and snappy. Doom Eternal felt perfect from the start.
I would just like to listen to various songs I have unlocked from time to time but it seems only the natural campaign progression lets me go there.
Also, I really hope Bethesda fixes the HDR map bug effin SOON!!
Huh? I'm playing this on PC with a controller on Ultra-Violence and I'm doing just fine. In fact, I think it might be easier to have all these new gadgets ready at a fingertip on the controller rather than assigned to keyboard keys.
It's definitely a bit harder than the first game though. Took me a while to get used to the new gameplay loop that wants you to use all your tools regularly in battle.
One thing I noticed was how perfectly tuned the controller calibration was already. With Doom2016, I had to change some settings to make the controller feel more responsive and snappy. Doom Eternal felt perfect from the start.
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Had a blast with Doom (2016)
Having a blast with Eternal.
I can see how some people might not be a fan of the direction they took with Eternal, but I just love how everything about it feels bigger, crazier and faster, it's so much fun.
Having a blast with Eternal.
I can see how some people might not be a fan of the direction they took with Eternal, but I just love how everything about it feels bigger, crazier and faster, it's so much fun.
Like I said, I wasn't really disagreeing, because I 100% agree that Doom Eternal is much less flexible than Doom 2016 and I am on your side in feeling a bit sad about that because I wanted more of a sequel to 2016 Doom.
But I just think the feelings of restrictiveness were strongest at the start and just lessened as you upgraded your arsenal and abilities more and more. Playing fully powered makes me feel like I can mostly take on anything with anything like in 2016, but definitely not as easily.
Definitely agree with that. I'm three levels in (I think?), and ass the Slayer buffs up the encounters open up too. Particularly as you get new weapons and whatnot to play with.
The game's beginning is by far the weakest part of the game. Halfway through, you'll be in Doom-heaven.
It's never killed me but I think they should tweak the tentacles to attack maybe 0.25 or 0.5 seconds more slowly. Even when I'm expecting them, half the time the first shotgun shell doesn't kill it because my aim or distance was off by a tiny margin and it gets a cheap shot on me. Not a fun enemy in any sense.
Also the ghost dog summons could be painlessly deleted from the game and nobody would complain.
Also the ghost dog summons could be painlessly deleted from the game and nobody would complain.
Oh shit, your only 3 levels in? I was assuming midgame at least. In that case, I really recommend until you get atleast 5 weapons and have maybe 2 mods semi-upgraded mods for half of them and atleast one for the other half. I personally don't find the first couple levels to not be indicative of how the game is meant to be played. In fact, that was the case with 2016 as well, but here it's way more so.
Let us know if you still feel it's restrictive once you get past the halfway point (there are 13 levels so past level 6)
Going from Doom2016 to Doom Eternal kinda feels like going from Nero to Dante in DMC regarding complexity.
Apparently you can load Doom (or any other vanilla) WADs in Eternal and play them.
The dog they spawn stands out to me as the only real annoyance with the way that enemy works. When you are forced to deal with the marauder and their dog attacking you simultaneously it doesn't feel fair and on nightmare especially you can't really afford to be put in that situation.
Unfortunately no, you would have to resume the game and then quit to get back.
I think you'll have a greater appreciation for it by the end of the game.
That's really positive to hear. I just cleared up the Cultist level tonight, getting myself the icon sawn off goodness, with the next stage a continuation of what must come next. I dont know if that's three main stages in, but it feels like it. I'd play more but the stages are quite long and I don't want to burn myself out.
That's great ot hear.
I honestly do not think it is less flexible than Doom 2016... I'm playing on UV too, and it feels just as flexible WITH the option to make your life easier if you go for the counters/weak spots.
Doom 2016 was much EASIER, and you could choose to just sit on a few guns... here you need to use everything, but that doesn't make it less flexible... in fact, imo, it inspires you to be more creative.
I think there seems to be a bit of a trend where people who really loved Doom 2016 tend to be struggling a bit with the changes here. I almost think Eternal might create a better impression faster if you were to go into it blind.
I have a greater sense of duality with Doom Eternal than any other game I've ever played. I prefer almost everything about Doom 2016. And yet I think Eternal is the perfect delivery of a sequel and a better game overall. It's super weird.
Either way, these are two of the best games I've ever played. In terms of shooters there is Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and Titanfall 2 - and then an absolutely cavernous gap to anything else.
I have a greater sense of duality with Doom Eternal than any other game I've ever played. I prefer almost everything about Doom 2016. And yet I think Eternal is the perfect delivery of a sequel and a better game overall. It's super weird.
Either way, these are two of the best games I've ever played. In terms of shooters there is Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and Titanfall 2 - and then an absolutely cavernous gap to anything else.
Keep playing. I finished levels 5 and 6 last night and felt that the game took a huge step up, and that wasn't soley the scenario and combat design shining in those levels, but also my personal upgraded arsenal and breadth of options. They very, very gradually loosen the reigns this time around, but at that point you have more weapons, mods, and abilities and it becomes much easier to flow through combat instinctually because you hit way harder and are showered with more health and armor.
If by Super Gore Nest the game hasn't clicked with you then it isn't all too likely that it will.
That was the point of the game when I realized how most of the enemy weaknesses only served to highlight the elegant design and multifaceted nature of each and every weapon.
Though the first Marauder encounter is going to be an awkward road bump after that.
That was the point of the game when I realized how most of the enemy weaknesses only served to highlight the elegant design and multifaceted nature of each and every weapon.
Though the first Marauder encounter is going to be an awkward road bump after that.
my only complaints about the game is the ammo, and for i can see, is for the most of players too
CoJ Gunslinger should at least be an honorable mention here.
I am at a point where I am just before 2 hours in and thinking about refunding the game on steam. its 60 bucks for an experience that I don't enjoy. I am hearing people say it gets better mid game, and I kinda want to stick it out, but I have a hard time convincing myself to start playing again, and that in my mind isn't a great sign.
At the moment I am thinking of refunding and buying it maybe a few years later when its dirt cheap.
I think they added too much mechanics that have to be spooned into your head that the opening levels (the first 3 to 4) are really hard to get trough. not in terms of difficulty but the way it forces you to play in a certain way since you don't have much choice in mods and weapons, and abilities. The dash def adds some needed maneuverability to get outa dodge, but I am already at points where I want to avoid fights, just because there might be a certain enemy type coming up. Its just a frustrating and unpleasant feeling to me, I am supposed to be the motherfucking doomslayer.
2016 had a weak opening too but at least there you get into the groove really early on and you cant wait to get into a fight. here its the absolute oposite!
At the moment I am thinking of refunding and buying it maybe a few years later when its dirt cheap.
I think they added too much mechanics that have to be spooned into your head that the opening levels (the first 3 to 4) are really hard to get trough. not in terms of difficulty but the way it forces you to play in a certain way since you don't have much choice in mods and weapons, and abilities. The dash def adds some needed maneuverability to get outa dodge, but I am already at points where I want to avoid fights, just because there might be a certain enemy type coming up. Its just a frustrating and unpleasant feeling to me, I am supposed to be the motherfucking doomslayer.
2016 had a weak opening too but at least there you get into the groove really early on and you cant wait to get into a fight. here its the absolute oposite!
Imo there's a huge gap between Eternal and 2016 too.
2016 is the absolute minimum any shooter that takes itself seriously should aspire to. Still love 2016 but won't come back to it in a while.
Excuse me? Just wait until you get later in the game and then come back to me on the soundtrack.
yep theyre somehow the most annoying thing in the game
also i dont understand why you can't go back to the hub at your leisure ughh
My CPU and GPU utilization doesn't even pass 40%, but I am for some reason only getting 80-100 fps on Ultra. Playing at 3440 x 1400 with 9700k 4.0ghz and a 2080.
Does that seem right? Is there a settings guide for optimal settings? Unsure if something is just tanking my FPS that I could turn off. Not to say 80-100 is annoying, but I would like to hit 144 at least.
Does that seem right? Is there a settings guide for optimal settings? Unsure if something is just tanking my FPS that I could turn off. Not to say 80-100 is annoying, but I would like to hit 144 at least.
I set X/Y sens. to 45, but you can up that if you normally play at higher sens. What made it feel good to me was to put look smoothing down to at least 50%, turn off target snapping (why this was on by default, I have no idea) and lower aim assist to 50%. It's fast enough to make quick turns etc. but you don't have to deal with over the top magnetism which ends up making you miss shots etc.
I'm enjoying the game more than I initially was however I can't help but still wish there was a toggle to turn on a Doom 2016 game play option. I enjoyed the game play far more in that.
Around the third/fourth level, once I wrapped around my head managing ammo (and upgrading ammo stats) and spamming my ice grenade the game is really starting to click with me.
The amount of systems in place also take a bit of getting used to.
Now some of these combat encounters with a fuller Arsenal compared to the start of the game are just a pure adrenaline rush, and yeah this game is def harder than the first.
Also, I'm weirdly finding myself way more into the story and lore than DOOM 2016, even if its a simple overarching narrative.
I just unlocked the classic skin and seeing DOOM guy in it during scenes is just *chef's kiss*
The amount of systems in place also take a bit of getting used to.
Now some of these combat encounters with a fuller Arsenal compared to the start of the game are just a pure adrenaline rush, and yeah this game is def harder than the first.
Also, I'm weirdly finding myself way more into the story and lore than DOOM 2016, even if its a simple overarching narrative.
I just unlocked the classic skin and seeing DOOM guy in it during scenes is just *chef's kiss*
Thank you for detailing your thoughts. I understand why someone would feel this way.
Maybe this is a dumb question but with the chrono Strike rune, since hold LT is how to trigger it does that mean I can only do the mod attacks from it?
The cultist base/doom hunter base feel like massive pacing misteps. The missions before that, and the ones after those are a thousand times better
Yeah the game is much better around missions 5 and 6. The platforming elements are even used well in the context of big arena fights. It just feels like other parts of the game were mismanaged and descended into a PS2 era action adventure.
I really like slinging myself across arenas with slowdown/air-control/hookshot combo
I really like slinging myself across arenas with slowdown/air-control/hookshot combo
I don't see those things as imposed limits.. because you are not forced to use those things in a specific way.
You are "forced" to walk over pick ups in 2016 to collect ammo for the most part, in Eternal you use the chainsaw, barrels, pick ups...
You do not /need/ to always use belch for armour, but it is there if you do need it and you are not forced to use it on specific enemies...
Yes, weakspots and specific counters make it a lot easier at times. Yes you do need to use your entire toolset whereas in 2016 it you could sir one few or even one weapon... but these are not limits in Eternal, imo, they are options and having to make use of your entire kit is the opposite of restrictive to me.
You are "forced" to walk over pick ups in 2016 to collect ammo for the most part, in Eternal you use the chainsaw, barrels, pick ups...
You do not /need/ to always use belch for armour, but it is there if you do need it and you are not forced to use it on specific enemies...
Yes, weakspots and specific counters make it a lot easier at times. Yes you do need to use your entire toolset whereas in 2016 it you could sir one few or even one weapon... but these are not limits in Eternal, imo, they are options and having to make use of your entire kit is the opposite of restrictive to me.
As far as i can tell, yes. TBF its also the most useful when used in tandem with weapon mods for taking out weakpoints with precision aim in Slow-Mo. I wish there was an alternate Button Layout though, just in case.
So every time I pickup a new weapon I am going to get a popup that shows me the new weapon?
Doom 2016 has special animations for when you picked up a new weapon the first time, this is kind of lame and breaks the immersion of feeling like a badass discovering a new killing tool :(
Doom 2016 has special animations for when you picked up a new weapon the first time, this is kind of lame and breaks the immersion of feeling like a badass discovering a new killing tool :(
You can turn them off if you want. You can read all the info in the menus.
Overall I really liked the game, but the marauder was a really strange enemy to add because he breaks the combat flow something fierce.
The platforming was mostly alright, some were a bit finicky.
The changes to the combat made me utilise all the weapons to some degree which was a far cry to what I did in Doom 2016, basically sticking to 3 guns, and I was surprised to see they made the plasma rifle useful.
If you're only 3 levels in and have issues with the backstory/lore expansion, be prepared for it to go waaaay further.
The platforming was mostly alright, some were a bit finicky.
The changes to the combat made me utilise all the weapons to some degree which was a far cry to what I did in Doom 2016, basically sticking to 3 guns, and I was surprised to see they made the plasma rifle useful.
If you're only 3 levels in and have issues with the backstory/lore expansion, be prepared for it to go waaaay further.
Same for me. This should be something easy to spot, but I didn't know this was a thing in the game until I read about it here.
the issue with chainsaw for ammo is that you have to consciously decide to do it before all your ammo runs out, the game never presents opportunities like it does with glory kills or specific enemy/weapon combinations. even something as simple as a 'loot' enemy glowing gold spawning once per fight would be enough to remind you
Having finished it honestly it's really just the worst at the opening when it's throwing Khan Maykr and Betrayer at you out of nowhere (although I'm a weirdo who read codices in the first game so I knew who Betrayer was). It lets off that stuff mid-game as you just work towards killing Hell Priests, and when it's brought to the forefront again near the end it tries to explain things in the cutscenes and not just the codex.
Not arguing that it's overall good or better than 2016, because it isn't. Although personally the get locked in a room while you listen to Olivia Pierce or Sam Hayden babble on felt more intrusive to me than any of the quick cutscenes in this game, but not by much.
Missed this yesterday, but I want to say that this is a fantastic post, JC.
My thoughts exactly.