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Another daily reminder to keep my tourist dollars out of Florida.
Conservative theater is always so sleazy and creepy.
Conservative theater is always so sleazy and creepy.
Why are you wrapping sex-ed with talks of gender? And why is sex-ed a full three years before gender identity?
using kids as props to sign this bill that says i'm protecting them
they have no idea wtf they are there for too
I would be fired within hours if this took effect here. Sexual orientation discussions come up constantly in a middle school where kids are figuring themselves out. Fuck this nonsense.
Sexual orientation isn't just about sex. This means telling kids things like "Billy had two daddies and that's okay." If kids are bullying Billy, under this law the teacher isn't allowed to tell the students that it's okay for some men to marry men.
It's the GOP that can't see two gay guys without thinking of blowjobs and buttsex, but obviously nobody wants to talk about that in kindergarten.
And nobody was: this is a bullshit law that doesn't solve any real problems, it only solves the "problem" of letting gay people be treated like normal members of society by teachers who chose to.
Stop just blaming DeSantis for this. This isn't just his responsibility. This is possible because hundreds of thousands or millions of voters in Florida are bigots. Just scapegoating DeSantis underplays just how deeply problematic the conservatives of this country's beliefs are.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but what does the bill mean?
Like sexual orientation could refer to a classical heterosexual relationship in a fairytale?
Doesn't this open the door for people to sue if they like read beauty and the beast?
Like sexual orientation could refer to a classical heterosexual relationship in a fairytale?
Doesn't this open the door for people to sue if they like read beauty and the beast?
The point of legal bounty bills like that is to create a chilling effect that will get schools to self censor.
There are no guidelines yet and it wouldn't because they'll deem straight relationships age-appropriate but not non-hetero relationships.
Correct. This is a move for him to get re-elected this year, and for him to make a presidential run in the future. He gives zero shits about who this will hurt.
Because that's what I have seen with kids...or better said, what my mom teached when she worked as a primary teacher. According to her, kids up 'til 7 or so are kind of oblivious to gender or stuff like that while playing kids games. However, the most "gender education" they get at that age are basically gender roles, which nowdays are neutral and are taught as such (like firefighters or policeman-policewoman, etc).
Sorry if it was misunderstood, but sex-ed in those early stages are basically teaching what parts are private, to tell adults if someone touches them, etc...
They aren't oblivious to gender before 7 years old and, even if they are, they shouldn't be and they should be taught before then.
Man I hope som rich AF people put that to the test through the courts.
This is complete shit, I knew what the dynamic of Peach and Mario was and knew I didn't fit in it. It's this line of thinking that got me here, and there's a infinite line variations where I could've been a better individual if I had received support.
Good for you, doesn't help queer people living there.
As states get to set guidelines for education and such, I doubt one could change this easily.
Exactly. You aren't gonna visit? Cool but how does that help all the people living there targeted by this law? I guess out of sight, out of mind is far easier than actually helping the people affected.
You shouldn't hope for that, though it will almost certainly happen.
Our court system is HEAVILY skewed toward rich people, and even if they lost a bullshit lawsuit (which is not a sure thing given how the law is written and how many right wing judges we have in this count). They can still bleed the school district dry, and that's a win win for those dickheads because they hate public education almost as much as they hate gay people.
Friendly reminder that we have two great candidates for governor in Annette Taddeo and Nikki Fried, and could use all the help they can get. No reason why I'm waltzing into this thread to say this, no sirree bob.
Oh, and Charlie Crist is running too.
Oh, and Charlie Crist is running too.
Non of us outside of Florida can help, for all that matter. We can comment all we want, but in the end, its floridans that have voted those shitty laws and its up to floridans to fix their own mess. DeSantis is just the scapegoat here (as a previous poster said).
You can absolutely help. There is plenty of mutual aid funds and charities that you can volunteer with and donate to in order to help the LGBTQ+ community in Florida.
This literally wouldn't have passed if DeSantis hadn't made this (and last year the athlete ban) priorities to raise his national profile. FL had something like a 15 year streak of killing anti-LGBTQ legislation until last year.
Florida passes hateful laws, has Disney there, and gets numerous hurricanes each year.
Why does anyone live there?
Why does anyone live there?
Again, it's not just about getting re-elected, and its weird to say doesn't give a shit who it hurts, they want to hurt LGBT people, that's the point. They would be doing this anyways, have tried variations since the 80's when I was a kid and it fucked up my self worth and kept me in the closet for decades that fucked my life up.
But once again when you post things like that you are buying into and propagating the mindset that people like me are a "political issue" and that is pretty hurtful and also makes me feel like shit.
A. You declined to answer my question about if Sexual Education and Gender identity are the same thing.
B. You fall back on the fact that so many on this forum care about being morally superior rather than give a dosh about the people who are currently being affected by the subject of conversation when they might very well did everything they could've but because Florida is a meme you can be broad.
It IS about getting re-elected. To DeSantis, LGBT+ people are just numbers of votes, just like the rest of floridans, and he just calculates how much votes he can get doing this or that (like any politician). "The people that want to hurt the LGBT+ community ammounts for X votes, while the community that advocates for LGBT+ rights are Y votes. Y=X-10, then I'll go with people that want to hurt LGBT+ so I can stay in power".
Politicians do that all the time and that's why they're such assholes. It really is rare to see one that has convictions about anything and don't mind losing votes on an issue they have a conviction.
A: Sorry, they're not exactly the same, but kind of... I can't explain myself very well as english is not my mother tongue.
B: True, but simply because there's absolutely nothing a single individual from a foreign country (like me) can do about it. Maybe I can contribute to some LGBT+ charity (as a user said before), but other than that, there's not much.
It's like war in the Ukraine: all I can do is discuss the subject and contribute a bit with the Red Cross to help those people. =/
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
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There are a lot of politicians that are true believers. Stop thinking they only do it for the votes. They literally tell people what they believe and somehow people still think "Well, they are just shitty for the elections and they don't actually believe it." They do. They WANT to hurt LGBTQ+ people. I live in a red state too. People like DeSantis and the GOP want to hurt us and not just because it plays well with their base. They want it too.
The fuck is even your point.
Are you gonna talk about your initial point of gender identity is not an important discussion for developing children tat an arbitrary age you don't even know or hide in away in bullshit political gaming.
EDITL Like yeah, you're telling some old ass people about basic political theory. Maybe answer the first question.
I apologize, that was not my intention and poor wording on my part.
Maybe you can just check yourself when you have a language barrier and a social barrier when called out instead of getting on the defense?
I can't speak for the circumstances as to why most queer people in Florida can't leave and it would be highly insensitive to say "leave". However I live in MA, which is a far more progressive state, and my help would truly have to come from moving to Florida to make a voting change. Desantis is the problem and one that me in MA cannot fix physically. I can only give money to organizations to help from abroad.
It's fucked up to say people don't care but lack the self awareness that comes with the help that people abroad truly can't do. I can't tell you to leave, and you can't tell me to move there.
And those politicians would be powerless if their base was small enough. Unfortunately it isn't, and THAT's the biggest issue. DeSantis wouldn't be passing this law if there weren't bigots that voted for him in the first place. =/
My point is that kids should be kids and gender education (and sex education for all matter) has to be age appropriate, so the kid can develop well and not be a bigot when growing into adulthood, nor be pedo-prey. We already have enough bigots today to have even more in the future.
And yes, I think that more important than gender or anything, is teaching kids inclusiveness and respect, like no matter if a kid grows to be hetero-cis or part of LGBT+ community, all people should be respected the same.
The problem is thinking that voting is the only thing one can really do. You can volunteer and give money to mutual funds and other organizations in Florida. We are used to people grandstanding about not visiting certain places but what does that do? That doesn't really materially help those in need in Florida which you can do.
It's not fucked up. It's true. Most people do not care.
You care more about me spitting at you than the state of queer kids in a state you don't live in. Recognize that, it's an easy change.
Bruh... what? What does recognizing gender identity before sexual identification have to deal with pedophilia?
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Absolutely nothing. It's just one of the many things kids have to learn through the ages and that's on a new sex-ed law that's being discussed here in my country, and thought would be relevant to the discussion. Most people here in Chile, in the LGBT+ community are pushing this law because it truly helps create consciousness, while retaining kids' innate inocence (which we all in the country agree is of utmost importance).