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When the iron cross is held and promoted by people like Milo and DJT, I think it does represent white supremacy to them but with plausible deniability thrown in.
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Meanings change. A variation of the swatstika existed long before Nazi Germany co-opted it, but no one will successfully defend the use of it by mentioning that bit of trivia. Anyone who sports an Iron Cross in this day and age almost certainly deserves to be side eyed.Doesn't change that the Iron Cross is not an inherently racist or nazi item in and of itself, it was around a lot longer than those ideals.
Meanings change. A variation of the swatstika existed long before Nazi Germany co-opted it, but no one will successfully defend the use of it by mentioning that bit of trivia. Anyone who sports an Iron Cross in this day and age almost certainly deserves to be side eyed.
Seconded.Meanings change. A variation of the swatstika existed long before Nazi Germany co-opted it, but no one will successfully defend the use of it by mentioning that bit of trivia. Anyone who sports an Iron Cross in this day and age almost certainly deserves to be side eyed.
Sooo ... the german army and several german state agencies deserve to be side eyed in your opinion because ... they might be nazis?Meanings change. A variation of the swatstika existed long before Nazi Germany co-opted it, but no one will successfully defend the use of it by mentioning that bit of trivia. Anyone who sports an Iron Cross in this day and age almost certainly deserves to be side eyed.
Sooo ... the german army and several german state agencies deserve to be side eyed in your opinion because ... they might be nazis?
I mean, the confederate flag is still flown by some "state agencies" in the U.S. Do you think Germany's government is completely free of Nazis?Sooo ... the german army and several german state agencies deserve to be side eyed in your opinion because ... they might be nazis?
I mean, the confederate flag is still flown by some "state agencies" in the U.S. Do you think Germany's government is completely free of Nazis?
I think it's a questionable symbol to don unless you're in that particular German military and have been awarded it.You know the Iron Cross as a medal still exists right? It's name and design has changed slightly but it's still in use, it's now the Badge of Honour of the Bundeswehr. It's also been the symbol of the Bundeswehr since 1956.
It's also quite prominent in the Metal community especially for fans of Motorhead.
Not saying that it's not misappropriated an awful lot, but as someone who did a History thesis on the origin and use of the Iron Cross as a medal for bravery it irritates me to see it automatically dismissed as "nazi symbol"
You must be American, right?..... 🙄I mean, the confederate flag is still flown by some "state agencies" in the U.S. Do you think Germany's government is completely free of Nazis?
You're doubling down on saying that most german state agencies and the whole german army might be nazis? Really?I mean, the confederate flag is still flown by some "state agencies" in the U.S. Do you think Germany's government is completely free of Nazis?
Deus Vult is all I need to see. He knows exactly who he's pandering to: people who are convinced of the need for an all-white America.
I chose to double post just for that too.
Guy in the comments saying Deus Vult. For those who don't know:
Deus Vult" ("God wills it" in Latin) was a battle cry called out by crusaders at the declaration of the First Crusade in 1095
So anybody tryin to pull the tired ass "hurr durr He could be a fan of Motorhead" can get slapped.
Its just the circle game man.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Some of you are complete shitlords and I really can't understand how anyone can sit here and play these games with y'all.
What does context mean? How does context work? Its not an Iron Cross..... whoopedee fucking do. Its a Jerusalem Cross. Okay.....
What does the Jerusalem Cross signify? A Coat of arms for 11th Century Christian crusaders who fought during the Middle Ages. Its painted on the fucking gun of White Supremacist Jr..... (who has a mag with the picture of a jailed political opponent )
In a picture posted a few days after his White Supremacist ass daddy committed a war crime against a Middle Eastern countries leadership.
Who are you morons trying to fool? Why do you think people are stupid and will buy your bullshit?
like I have to crack off cuz its dumb as fuck reading these posts.
A lot of gaslighting in this thread. They think they're slick.Jesus Fucking Christ.
Some of you are complete shitlords and I really can't understand how anyone can sit here and play these games with y'all.
What does context mean? How does context work? Its not an Iron Cross..... whoopedee fucking do. Its a Jerusalem Cross. Okay.....
What does the Jerusalem Cross signify? A Coat of arms for 11th Century Christian crusaders who fought during the Middle Ages. Its painted on the fucking gun of White Supremacist Jr..... (who has a mag with the picture of a jailed political opponent )
In a picture posted a few days after his White Supremacist ass daddy committed a war crime against a Middle Eastern countries leadership.
Who are you morons trying to fool? Why do you think people are stupid and will buy your bullshit?
like I have to crack off cuz its dumb as fuck reading these posts.
That's not what we're clarifying and well done on immediately targeting others with accusations. Calm the fuck down and read before assuming people are defending him. We know it's a jerusalem cross, we know he's probably not a motorhead fan and we know he's a shitbag.
Given someone here basically said that anyone using an Iron Cross is basically a nazi, it's clear that an explanation of the Iron Cross actually was necessary.
Now, calm down and read and understand what people say before jumping in going "HURR DURR YOU GUYS ARE TOTES NAZI DEFENDERS AND ALT RIGHTERS HURR DURR"
Also, don't call me a shitlord if you can't even fucking bother to read what I posted.
Given someone here basically said that anyone using an Iron Cross is basically a nazi, it's clear that an explanation of the Iron Cross actually was necessary.
The thread startet calling the Jerusalem Cross an Iron Cross the same thing even tho they look completely different and have completely different origins and meanings.Was it, though? It should be clear that the kind of people Trump, Jr. is baiting here are not punk rockers and skateboarders.
There's a point bringing it up when people fucking make broad sweeping generalizations because they're ignorant as fuck.Nah, fuck all that. Ill be calm when we don't have deal with this dumb shit going on in our country anymore.
Its irrelevant because its unnecessary to the topic. Its always been about context to these situations. We talking about the Presidents shitbag son. Its got nothing to do with fucking moorhead, german army or whatever the fuck. Theres no point even bringing that up.
If you end up at a political environment and spot some people with cross tattoos, its highly fucking unlikely they are sharing their love of metal music. So nah, I'm not gonna be calm with all these goofy ass people and their benefit of the doubt bullshit.
You know the Iron Cross as a medal still exists right? It's name and design has changed slightly but it's still in use, it's now the Badge of Honour of the Bundeswehr. It's also been the symbol of the Bundeswehr since 1956.
It's also quite prominent in the Metal community especially for fans of Motorhead.
Not saying that it's not misappropriated an awful lot, but as someone who did a History thesis on the origin and use of the Iron Cross as a medal for bravery it irritates me to see it automatically dismissed as "nazi symbol"
The thread startet calling the Jerusalem Cross an Iron Cross the same thing even tho they look completely different and have completely different origins and meanings.
Then for some reason some guy started to suggest that everything related to the Iron Cross might have to do something with Nazis, even the whole modern Germany.
And then someone got angry because people stated that Jerusalem Cross and Icon Cross are two different things. One Cross is clearly a racist context, the other not.
So yeah. That's this thread in a nutshell.
Thats the Jerusalem Cross which is used in a definately racist context in the picture:
And that's the Iron Cross which people claim to see in the picture:
This. The whole family - the whole cult of Trump in fact - hold onto her like she represents some great victory for them... But for the fact that she is very clearly not locked up, not going to be locked up shows what a fucking joke they are.
There's a point bringing it up when people fucking make broad sweeping generalizations because they're ignorant as fuck.
Not one person discussing the Iron Cross in this thread made any "benefit of the doubt" comment, nor did any of us "gaslight" as mentioned by another person.
Not everyone who understands the meaning of something is trying to defend " President shitbags son" at least in my case I'm trying to help people with understanding whats racist/alt right and what's not so they don't make some stupid ass fucking comment like generalizing an entire fucking countries army or a subculture of people.
I'm not from America thankfully and your countries descent into the alt right is unbelievably worrying, but jumping at literally anybody that says anything contrary to you is fucking childish, so grow up.
Considering people are apparently confused, I get that dickhead jr is an alt right fuckwit, I don't agree with him and I think he's a living pile of scum, I was clearing up a misconception on the first page. But then if you'd actually read what I posted you'd fucking know that already.
i just said its the jerusalem cross, said nothing more, but i agree with youJesus Fucking Christ.
Some of you are complete shitlords and I really can't understand how anyone can sit here and play these games with y'all.
What does context mean? How does context work? Its not an Iron Cross..... whoopedee fucking do. Its a Jerusalem Cross. Okay.....
What does the Jerusalem Cross signify? A Coat of arms for 11th Century Christian crusaders who fought during the Middle Ages. Its painted on the fucking gun of White Supremacist Jr..... (who has a mag with the picture of a jailed political opponent )
In a picture posted a few days after his White Supremacist ass daddy committed a war crime against a Middle Eastern countries leadership.
Who are you morons trying to fool? Why do you think people are stupid and will buy your bullshit?
like I have to crack off cuz its dumb as fuck reading these posts.
Thing is that it's not about "like two specific contexts" because the Iron Cross is the symbol of germany, even from a time before germany existed.All just an argument of semantics that has no point. "That racist cross is called something else!" is about the most pointless discussion to be had when both statements "That cross is racist" and "The Iron Cross is racist outside of like two specific contexts" are true.